Flu Season - What You Think You Know

The shots in the cartoon must contain a high dose of alcohol because that last witch just took off backwards on her broom.

Good catch. lol

But seriously, in my opinion getting the flu shots as well as other vaccines should be mandatory. Because every time these viruses get exposed to our immune systems, they morph. In the meantime we can build up our immunity via the vaccines without that happening.

Mandatory. Are you joking?

They morph because they are smarter than us, but then a cell phone is too.

The flu 'morphs' every year and comes back as a different strain, so you need a modified shot each year.

If people with flu stayed home and recovered properly, rather than taking all the over night quick fixes, just to be back at work the next day, it may not spread so quickly and so ferociously.

It should be mandatory that people stay out of work places when they have the flu and air cons are switch off and windows opened for fresh air. Nothing spreads colds and flu virus's quicker than office air cons.

But then that is why cell phones are smarter than us.

"...They morph because they are smarter than us..."

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I can see the validity of that statement for any 'us' that,in spite of readily available information to the contrary, spreads distrust and suspicion about the efficacy and safety of modern vaccinations, thereby assisting the spread of influenza as well as a host of diseases, some of which had previously been well on the way to being eradicated.

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By simply choosing to participate in the vaccination program, you too would be 'morphing'; you would be instructing changes to your immune system.

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Luckily, the 'us' you mention is far from universally inclusive. Many people demonstrate one of the ways they are smarter than a virus by choosing to participate in vaccination programs.

Ah, Moriarty! We meet again. On saline your system will not create any immunity build up. So the point is, you could simply be receiving a placebo that fools your brain, which in turn creates a positive thought, (though false), fools your body which ten combats nothing.

These vaccines must so cheap to produce if the give them away so easily. Alternately, a good dose of saline and no more flu!

I think the answers is: no one knows if it is a vaccine or saline solution. because no one asked the question of Dr WHO or the manufacturers.

And before attempting the impossible, CDC has admitted they trial a vaccine and saline on groups of people. They don't mention who is better. Salinated of vaccinated!

So how do you know what your received?

N.B. I like the 'salinated' word.

"....And before attempting the impossible, CDC has admitted they trial a vaccine and saline on groups of people. They don't mention who is better. Salinated of vaccinated!...."

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Information from clinical trials is readily available. The only thing it costs is a little time and a willingness to give up relying on unsupported convictions.

Ah Moriarty, you never fail with your Unsupported Convictions theory. Perhaps I did read it in the supporting information provided by CDC, part of the original brief provided here.

You simply and flatly do not know what you are receiving as an injection. And there is no way in heaven or hell you can 100% confirm you have received a vaccine. You simply do not know as the average Jo Public and take the word that it is in good faith and trust.

God help us if ISIS ever tampered with these vaccines, and you would never know.

I think the point is super clear now why you should know, what you are actually getting. You never thought you would get the ebola virus where you are. Heck, it was an African thing. It did not take very long to spread into Spain, the USA.

We should meet. Tea and a cream bun perhaps?

Nice chatting with you again.

The shot doesn't protect against all strains. I got the flu after getting a shot and it was a strain that the vaccination wasn't made for.

Also, there is nothing about this article that covers the real fear people are having about Flu Vaccinations and that is having a factor in the increase for Autism cases.

There is a lot of speculation about the usefulness of vaccines going around. In the end though, I think people have got to learn to try and trust science a little more.

It's my understand that there are a few states that allow- or are really taking advantage of abstaining from having there kids vaccinated. And in those states, they are starting to see the return of things like measles.

Now I'm no expert on the subject, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night And while I was there I happened to listen to this podcast. I'll post a link to the show. They talk about the rumors surrounding the use of vaccines near the end. And there is a link to one of the guest's book on that subject. Might be worth taking a look for some of the people out there.

Podcast Link

It's a two-edge sword, but I think the benefits of vaccines exceeds the drawbacks by a significant margin.

"But seriously, in my opinion getting the flu shots as well as other vaccines should be mandatory"

Thank whatever true higher power there is that you are not in charge of me. I refuse to be injected with that now or at any point in the future, and if you don't like it, you can light it up, and sit upon it.

Well Mr. Stewart- If I were in charge, I might just take up Stephen Colbert's suggestion of finally giving Texas that fence they've been asking for, but on the other side of the border. That way people with similar beliefs to yours can go live over on that side.

Not getting inoculated against the diseases that we face is just helping them spread. If not giving them greater ability to beat our immune systems with every new go around.

Snatr: I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are. Not being in contact with great numbers of people, my exposure is limited, and also, I wash hands carefully and often. Do you? I have not had any flu or cold for the last several years. Have you?

If I did have symptoms of the flu, I always stay home, unlike some of the other folks that may or may not be out there.

You can also take your idea of the "fence" and put it where the sun does not shine, besides, Texas would be just fine without goobers like you messing it up.

Well Mr. Stewart, truth be told I don't actually get a flu shot every year. But if it were mandated I certainly would. And I do wash my hands regularly (thanks for asking). As well as take special precaution if and when I get sick not to spread it around. It is (my opinion) that too may people have un-natural fears of science, not to mention our government though. And they're causing more harm than good by doing so. Also, the only thing I really have against Texas is being the home of the oil industry. Not to mention Bush 1 & 2. But that's another topic.

You just revealed your ignorant self: The "OIL" Industry, actually started in Pennsylvania, so take your Yankee blather back up north with you. And for God sakes, stop comdemning the Bushes. It is the trees you need to be worrying about. Besides what in heck does the oil industry have to do with the spread of a viral disease? Noted that the rubber industry in West Africa seems to be able to contain their problems with ebola through proper handling. Just that your comments seem to have no basis in anything other than typical Democrat/Alinski bull crap, so stop politicizing, or else receive back in kind.

I would much rather have two bushes in hand as President, than the current moron... traitor, closet queen, muslim, whatever.

There is human life beyond 23 degrees south, you know.

I do not believe in everything CDC claims... nor any other entities for that matter, they too are fallible like myself!

Only once!, while working in the healthcare environment I did get the flu vaccination! A bad decision for myself! Immediately the following night after the vaccination I felt terrible and was out sick for about a week! Since then and the following flu seasons, although a requirement in the work environment, I just ignored it and never had any other vaccinations after that first flu vaccination, up to the present day of being retired..

That was about 40 years ago and thank God for that decision! I learned not to have anymore flu injections after that first event mistake!

The CDC is always 8 years behind since that is how often they meet to make new decisions.

Also, they are mostly all doing research for major drug companies, none of which has come up with a 'cure' for anything lately.

Now even generic drug companies are on the $$$ bandwagon, Doxycycline went from $20 to $1800 for 500 count wholesale lots this year!

Seems like a new way for drug companies to rape the Obamacare system via indirect patient mortality threats.

http://www.witf.org/news/2014/12/the-rising-cost-of-generic-drugs-is-even-puzzling-experts.php

"According to the CDC this isn't the case. The virus is killed during the production of the vaccine and therefore cannot cause infection. "

They have been telling that lie for at least 30 years. I got a flu shot once, and had the flu twice that year. Other people I know have had the same experience. Like vsar, I'm not interested in the vaccine.

p.s. I just opened the window, and influenza.

The reason you got the flu is because flu shots are produced well in advance of the season start. It takes time to do this, so the pharmacy industry must be proactive as it is too late to be reactive with the flu.

This leads to the problem you experienced. Manufactures don't know what the next strain of flu virus will be (it mutates every year and there can be multiple types), so they have to do their best to predict what new strains will likely take place based on historical data and simulations.

The root problem is that this is about as easy to do as predicting activity for the next hurricane season. It is possible that they will get the prediction wrong and it happens, which is why you contracted the flu.

Also, a flu shot is specific to a particular strain. It may help with other strains, but it is not a broad spectrum solution.

Some people do have reactions to flu shots. It is not the norm, but some individuals do get flu-like symptoms after getting their shot. They can be mild or they can be much more intense. Not everyone's chemistry is the same.

So how do you know when the virus is dead? First of all does a virus really meet all the criteria within the definition of a life form? Some agree, some disagree.

Does the virus run up a white flag for parlay? Does it scream? Please define the criteria for "deadness" of a virus... are we taking "de-natured"? What is it after it is de-natured?

When is the virus statistically dead versus totally dead? Are the serum preservatives causing more harm than the virus would in the first place?

There are more questions than answers, more dollars at stake for the big pharma companies, although, as I understand it, these companies do not really like to produce vaccines since these are not their most profitable ventures. If one really wants to learn the truth, it might be best to follow the money trail, and find out what really is the true motivation behind all this.

There is no vaccine against being in the world, just don't wallow in it.

If the myth was true that pharmaceutical companies were raping the world hand over fist their stock would be the only stock people were buying.

Like the rest of the BIG companies political entities like to use as political fodder, they are all publicly traded companies and as such all of their earning are public record.

As for the nature by which the pharmaceutical industry works, that mechanism is far more complex than the way you are presenting it due to interaction with the FDA and other regulating bodies.

I understand what you stated about regulatory issues. I also find it highly suspect when a board member or officer of a large pharma company changes hats to fill a post at the FDA, then "magically" the latest, greatest wonder drug gets approval, and then they guy just goes back to the original company at a higher pay grade.

First time I saw a virus while looking at it with an electon microscope my immediate thought was, "This thing is from outer space!"

It looked as out of place in human tissue as a bowling ball on a putting green.

Not From This World!

You really trust someone with a syringe and needle to poke some unknown solution into you? How do you even know it is a flu vaccination? Did you see it before they filled the syringe. Did you read what it said on the label. Would you even know the difference between saline, vaccine and a deadly virus?

No worries, it was supplied by WHO!

Who?

Yes, Who, he is a doctor!

Your parents always told you never to accept sweets from a stranger. Now you blindly accept vaccines from unknown parts. We are all treated like criminals when we take a flight on an airline and apparently, blindly accept a vaccine. Bizarre!

You think that is bad... How do you know what they put in your food and water?

Did you see them packaging the food? Did you see how it was transported? Have black helicopters intercepted those trucks before arriving to the supermarket shelves?

Even more bizarre. Why would they use a black helicopter and why intercept a truck? When they can go to the source by bicycle.

But I am still very curious, how do you know what they are injecting you with?

It seems to me that they can tell you anything they like and you will blindly accept. Yet customs cannot blindly accept you are a law abiding citizen when traveling by plane.

It is still bizarre!

Whoa! And I thought all those black bicycles were just Mennonites.

At least they were when I was in South Eastern Pennsylvania. :-)

You see, you were wrong again. They are the high speed stealth transporters. Menn on Ites are to slow and cumbersome.

SE Pennsylvania, Dr. Acucla country?

The question still stands, how do you know it is a vaccine and not salt water?

You are quite correct, the fluid in the syringe could be anything! Unless analyzed and tested, no one can readily ascertain...

My half hazard guess and would say that at this point this where the psychology part of the modern medicine comes into play? Part of positive thinking, that whatever is in the syringe will make one feel better and help the body get well!

Thank you Vsar, at least you had the courage to think about the question and provide your honest answer.

Hope. Faith and Trust.

The comments were all experiences based from 30+ years of exposures, while wearing several hats for a major clinical environment..

Similarly like as you said we all need to have some trust and faith hoping that things will eventually workout as expected. Medicine is not as exact as in engineering science so to speak!

I, like some others here, have found no significant difference in those years when I got the shot vs those when I didn't. ...except one year when I already had mild symptoms before I got the shot, and seemed to have a bad reaction to the shot.

I came here hoping to get more definite information. Unfortunately, your quoting "According to the DC" does NOT give me more confidence.

Since the viruses (viri?) do indeed morph regularly, what is the probability that the shot will protect me against the strain I happen to catch?

I fly in commercial airplanes roughly once a week. Surely I'm picking up small amounts (or maybe more) of many disease organisms on each flight. Until someone convinces me otherwise, I'll consider those flights to be my innoculations.

It depends on how old you are. As an adult your immune system pretty much stops building those immunities to new biological and viral agents like you did when you were a young kid.

The greatest source of infection on aircraft is from touching things, not breathing the filtered cabin air as so many believe.

Hit and miss really. But with flying now, that has become a health hazard with a big risk factor. Flying used to be the safest mode of transport, now, no one cannot be sure.

How many of you were "vaccinated" the old fashioned way?

Hey Marge, Little Mikey has the mumps, lets all take our kids over to Mikeys to play!

Sounds Im-peer-ical to me! ;-)

I don't get the shot nor do I get the Flu. Go figure.

Never used to get the shot until I got the flu 2 years ago. I'd really rather not repeat that week of misery. If the shot reduces my chances of getting the flu, then I'll take it.

The hell with the flu, I now need an innoculation for Vitriol!

Im pleased that so many of our members think for themselves and dont blindly follow the CDC politically correct spin.

"In 1978 a childhood immunization initiative was begun. Individual states passed legislation requiring proof of immunization for school entry at 5 and 6 years of age. They mandated vaccination and it resulted in a 3 fold increase in the reported incidents of whooping cough and indeed children developed whooping cough from the vaccines. Dr. Vera Sheibner

I could go on. Vaccines don't work. They result in many illness, probably autism, etc. All this information is available. We can talk more about this if you want.

If you look hard enough, you can, on the internet, find someone to strengthen your belief in anything.

But to make a generalized broad statement like: "Vaccines don't work." is just plain WRONG!

Ever heard of the Salk Vaccine? As a child in the '40s and early '50s, I had several friends and acquaintances who suffered greatly from polio. Now, I don't remember having seen a single case of polio in several decades! Without the Salk Vaccine, and mandatory application thereof, I think it is probable that polio would still be common.

Clearly, some vaccines are more effective than others, some have more side effects than others, and there are undoubtedly some cases where a vaccine has indeed caused disease, but on the whole we are WAY better off with them than without.

'Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.' - Nietzsche

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Thank you for making it clear that 'convictions' and 'lies' need not be mutually exclusive.

Please don't go on!

I've never had a flu shot. Flu has never affected me much. Had most all the others.

But, I have always had my biological, step and now adopted, children inoculated against everything they could/can be.

People who don't protect their children with immunizations are ignorant clods and should be charged with child abuse.

Immunizations against bacterial diseases work, and work well. Poliovirus vaccine has also worked, but noted that the vaccine is produced typically from one serotype, not all serotypes. Any one of the serotypes not included in the vaccine would still result in a viral infection that could affect the motor neurons, as best as I understand it.

No one is saying don't do any vaccinations, at least I hope not. I just don't want someone else (in the damned government) making that decision for me.

Just upping your intake of Potassium Iodide (no, it's not poison, it's what they put in table salt and you can get from a lot of good food) will allow your Immune System, specifically your Lactoperoxidase-Thiocyanate-Hydrogen Peroxide System to kill the viruses as soon as they contact the mucus membranes of your lungs, mouth, throat and sinuses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_tract_antimicrobial_defense_system

http://www.thyroidscience.com/reviews/derry/Derry.flu.iodine.9.19.09.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21441383

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=69

And eat your apple seeds!