Is Your DNA Your Private Property?

I think DNA evidence is useful in getting to the truth of guilt and as such should be available....and routine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling

And I think not:

"...scientists are finding that it's quite common for an individual to have multiple genomes."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/science/dna-double-take.html?_r=0

If it turns out to be true, then that is a further reason to have everyone's DNA logged into a database, just to identify such "problems", "anomalies" right up front!! From Birth (that is before anyone is a criminal!!)

Really, only criminals of any sort have something to possibly lose, just look how many unsolved murders there are all around the world........clearing up a lot of these may be a problem for the prison system though!!!

All the law abiding rest of us have something to gain.....that is the majority.....one hopes!!!

"All the law abiding rest of us have something to gain.....that is the majority"

And in your opinion, just what could this gain be?

It is proven world wide, those who desire and possess the control over others are normally psychopaths. Not known as trusted persons albeit.

A data base which can be compromised at any time, by anyone, that is fine too.

A data base which is controlled by others and the data owned by others, and can be sold by said others. (yes it goes on today by your local councils, etc.etc). Are you then so unique and special?

Unsolved murders influence your living standard, what you eat or how you live on a daily basis? I doubt it. Only criminals have anything to fear, I doubt that too as they will be ahead of the game and work around the data base and a new economic market will blossom.

A minority who stands to gain a profit does not make them god of all. Only god of their little world.

Can of beans, You, bar of soap, Your wife, loaf of bread, your children....commodities found in your local spaza and oddly, on the stock exchange of the country you were born.

Still feeling unique? Just get chipped and they have no need for your DNA. It may be the better choice!

Therefore all people who do not offer up to being DNA'd or chipped are guilty. However a chipped or DNA person is innocent. Now that is a turn up for the books. A scenario whereby a local constable can be your judge, jury and sentencer. How noble!

And your assumption is correct, it would really have to be over my dead body. Yes I know, that can be arranged.

I agree there are probably more law abiding people in the world so why should they choose to have their data stored in a data base if they have no criminal intent? What benefit do they gain?

Just who in your books would operate this data base? Let the Chinese operate it, perhaps the Russians. Or the Americans? Perhaps the Sudanese. I wont include the UK as they have a habit of leaving sensitive data on train seats for people to find. Just whom are you going to entrust to use/look after your DNA data, in a safe manner, that safeguards you?

Would it be out sourced to a private concern. Microsoft, Apple or others to manage your data? Do you have access to the data gathered, your data?

This is not Startrek my friend.

I have no problem with anyone offering their DNA or being chipped, that is their own decision to make, but, it does not give carte Blanche theories that because some have chosen to do that, that everyone must/should follow. And because someone has chosen not to do so, does not automatically make them a criminal, a suspicious person or a person of deviousness. AS you have pointed out and assumed here. So now anyone posting their thought on this is deemed a suspected criminal or nogood. And we all know people attach stigmas at a drop of a hat. Your liberal approach is yours to deal with, but it is not the deal others wish imposed upon them.

Remember; only dead fish go with the flow. And not all fish are dead. Your whimsical idea and agreement encompasses more than you have thought out and your consideration have been limited to just yourself, your immediate surrounding influences, and it is very limited to Western ideas and ideologies only.

Ah, let me return to my devious deeds and discuss world domination with my colleague Professor James Moriarty. The ways of men are wicked and wilie. The model citizens are at peace, and there is more to the underground movement than earth quakes and subway trains! .

Can I play World Domination with you guys?

I'll wait my turn and I'm not a cheater.

Are you in on the World Domination? I have just had Facebook back up Apple and that is just peechy.

"Can I play World Domination with you guys?"

I'm not sure if you're qualified, asking permission isn't really part of the traditions of the game.

"I'll wait my turn and I'm not a cheater."

Now I KNOW you're not qualified, unless you were lying about waiting your turn and not cheating, in which case, welcome aboard.

Watch out for the other players, though, they're notorious backstabbers. I'll help you out, though, here, put on this flack jacket and stand in front of me. What, the big opening in the back? That's to reduce weight and make it more breathable, besides, I'm back here protecting you, now move forward slowly, I can't walk fast while I'm sharpening my knives.

I've got your back, truuuuuust meeeeeeeeee.

(Wow, I just had a flashback to the last time I played that board game, Diplomacy. Do NOT play Diplomacy with anyone you want to stay friends with.)

See if I give you a cabinet post !

That's okay, I don't need a whole cabinet to hide my sudden but inevitable betrayal in.

The crux of the matter is this: Will I betray you first, or will you 'preemptively retaliate' against my expected betrayal, and therefore betray ME first?

If you apply for a job or are a public employee working with children you are required to be fingerprinted & /or blood or DNA tested for background checks. The military also does the DNA for ID purposes, so it is already an accepted practice. It is a little late to raise an alarm. Since your relatives share your DNA it is not really your property, you share DNA codes with all close relatives. You did not create or make your DNA and it can be traced back from family. Welcome to the world of shared genetics.

PERFECT!!!!

Very well said

Yes, consider all the homicide that goes down, but consider how completely useless DNA identification is in all but a few cases.

"Really, only criminals of any sort have something to possibly lose,"

Why do statements like these keep echoing up from the past?

Well, let me tell you why. Way back in 1967, my high school Problems of Democracy teacher stated that someday the USA would turn to Fascism due to fear of then, the Communists. Now we can apply the same to terrorists and home grown nut cases, can we not? He was right on, just wrong on the source of the fear.

DNA testing has never been a perfect science, it's just another tool...how much weight to assign to any findings in any investigation is decided by the jury...but it is a good point that no proof is conclusive by itself, it must be taken in context...

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/06/24/the-surprisingly-imperfect-science-of-dna-testing#.myZA0PgM7

Anyone arrested for a felony should be sampled. I'm afraid trying to do the other 99% of the population will just bog down the system, let alone the privacy issues. I personally don't have a problem with the authorities having my DNA, as they already do. The Army has my DNA on file if they ever needed to try to identify my remains. Not sure whether they purge that once you're out.

In the current Apple vs. the FBI case, the FBI has to present sufficient evidence that the information on the phone is critical to the investigation. Strictly speaking, if Apple does crack the security system and hand over the phone contents, they are doing so for this case only. (I know, I know, we can't trust that they won't do it again/that someone sinister will get hold of the code, but this example is for the sake of argument).

How could a requisition for huge DNA databases be demonstrated to be critical to an individual prosecution? Is the argument about saving an innocent person from prison time/execution? I'll have to take this one up with Mr. Best in Show.

Coincidentally I skimmed this article, about the application of DNA analysis in population genetics, right before I read Bayes' post. Sort of a contrast between the bad and the good uses of DNA analysis.

I don't think I will spend $100 to get my DNA entered into a searchable database.

You can commit a crime and get it done for free.

LOL!!

How true!!

LOL!!

How accurate too.

Many thanks from me personally.....and a GA!

I think you need to split this into 2 separate questions.

"Is Your DNA Your Private Property?" Is a question related to proprietary/property.

"Should police be allowed to obtain a large database of DNA that includes people with no criminal records in order to aid investigations?" Is a question about privacy.

Two separate matters, although they connected.

Law enforcement is not free of fraud and incompetence, and there should be TV shows making that clear.

I don't think the benefits of even a highly reliable and secure DNA database come close to outweighing the nightmare possibilities.

Beautiful, well put!

Regardless of where power resides, individual/corporation/government/....; "power" itself attracts power.
Whether the government "should" be allowed to create/maintain/access DNA databases is a moot question; it will, whether "legally" or not.
"WE" are almost always willing to accept "temporary" restrictions on our liberty during times of extreme fear (or paranoia) only to later give pro-forma apologies for our past bad acts; eg: internment of Japanese citizens and slavery.
In other cases of blatant injustice, we continue to look the other way as we are not willing to sacrifice our own interests for the sake of some ideological concept of justice, nor should we; eg. treatment of Native Americans.
If a DNA database exists "they" will come and use it for whatever reasons "they" think justifies doing so; circumstances and "reasons" will appear. Don't you think thats true?
Individuals acting as vectors of what you or I might think of as "evil" are themselves motivated by, what in their own minds are the highest ideals, generally thought of as "patriotic."

We will almost always, in the heat of the moment allow and later excuse anything in the name of national security regardless of its actual effect on our security; (better safe than sorry?) eg. invading Iraq and also "enhanced interrogations" aka "torture".

"Thus has it always been, and thus shall it ever be."

"They" are not going to get it unless "we" hand it over. Should we? I'm glad to see that there is a healthy opposition.

But you're going to find the question injected over and over into the Matrix ( that's right, the effin Matrix ) until the opposition melts, with use of psyops-type nudges or maybe from sheer fatigue.

Or, we might take the innovative step of making it impractical for anyone, including "them", to pull this kind of stuff anonymously from the shadows.

If that's too trippy for you, happy status quo, which you might have noticed always seems to get worse.

Please explain to me (and the others here) why having your "private" DNA in some still "theoretical" data bank will in any way infringe your life negatively. Thanks in advance.

I am really struggling to understand this.....

Do you think that a firm, the government or some other foreign government are going to "Clone" you, then murder you and this clone takes over your job, wife and family?

Which is MOST unlikely anyway, as the clone, even though they age faster and die earlier generally, are actually unlikely to be "old enough" to take over your life in less than say 25 years......now that is a long term plan!!

They would need to clone you as a child to make it even vaguely possible!!! Maybe its already been done to you!!!

As some others have pointed out, certain crimes, military service and government work positions, and even some firms, collect it, past or present, which simply means that for such persons DNA is already held - somewhere....

I was in the military well before DNA was in use to identify people, but maybe yours is already "logged" if you fit into any of the categories above and the relative age groups.....thought about that?

Even if they "told" you it had been destroyed, you would never be 100% certain that was true!!!

If you ever had blood taken for ANY reason in the last 25 years, your DNA may be stored.

So you may already be too late anyway to prevent it. There might be many more in a similar position.....

If the data base finally takes off, my personal take on the positive side is as follows, and I am sure the good people here can think of many more positives:-

In the event of a car accident/coma/ tree felling accident, immediate identification with all medical details.

Nearest Blood bank where your blood is available, or even ordering it before you even get to hospital!

Being notified of certain illnesses that people in the same rough DNA grouping suffer, or who are prone to being a smoker and dying of a smoke related illness well before your time.

Identifying people recently dead who you are compatible to you for kidney, bone marrow, heart, corneas and other "spare" parts, as soon as you "show up" as being in need.

Finding lost siblings.

Identifying of the biological parents for adopted children.

I also believe, that certain illnesses like say MS or Diabetes for example, might be cured if more information was made available to the people trying to get a handle on such problems....who knows?....

I would pose the following theoretical question to you:-

Assume for a moment that the DNA data bank, (if it ever happens) groups everyone into 3 possible categories. They are as follows:-

1) Not bothered either way if they are DNA logged. Law abiding people, including ones that have had jail time and are going "straight".

2) Vehemently do not want to be logged. "Just because". But are otherwise law abiding and do not want to serve in the military, do not want a government job, nor do they wish to work for any company that "gathers" such data.

3) Vehemently do not want to be logged. People who have committed crimes that have not been solved.

Now in truth, neither category 2 or 3 will actually be "known" by the data bank, that is, these two categories will be treated as one and the same - not logged!

Then you have made yourself (sadly) into a second class citizen with the psychopaths, pedophiles and others who do not want their DNA known.....

But you did it all by yourself, as it is your decision NOT to be DNA logged.....your privilege.

I am hoping for some serious answers to my questions from you (and anyone else who is in a similar situation), but I (and many others here!) will not be in the least surprised if you cannot provide, or will not provide any logical answers to them.

Then I have also simply proved another point!

Then you have made yourself (sadly) into a second class citizen with the psychopaths, pedophiles and others who do not want their DNA known.....

How did you manage to make this unrealistic assumption? How can this make anyone a 2nd class citizen? This is huge assumption to take up and quite a profound statement to make.

But you have every right to voice your opinion, so don't get uppity when your statements are ground down.

Are you capable and prepared in accepting logical argument?

Actually, that could be reality, even if you don't agree, depending upon your politicians!

If Trump gets in (I hope to God not!) then you may be staring this in the face shortly. Wait up!!

Also, posting anonymously does not make you clever, it just makes you look scared, exactly like someone else here!!! One and the same?

Its a cowards way to my mind.....but each to his own way......whatever suits your character!! Lets us say that it hardly adds any credence to your words, more like the complete opposite.....

But I know exactly who you are.......you are someone who cannot answer my recent post as requested.

You are not alone, but the others have simply remained quiet!!!

That was far cleverer to my mind.....

OK. I will take it on myself to answer for the naysayers.

One clear question or statement at a time are my conditions.

More than one at a time is too difficult? What are you reasons for saying that?
Due to CR4 display problems, an overlay that stops me getting to the "send" button, I have to add a bit of "crap" to make the post longer.
I have open a question on this problem to CR4-
If you are lucky, it will be fixed before you go online again, though I do not know if I am the only one affected or not at this time!!!
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Please read my latest post, you may have to revise your opinions a lot as I have kept something back till today, hoping to see if anyone else understood DNA enough to mention it.

Nobody has!!!

In a previous post, I mentioned some general points of cloning, nobody understood, at least nobody who posted!!! This precludes the type of "funny Business" with using a clone as an impersonator!!!

Nobody else noticed that either.......

I had to laugh about some of your recent comments as well, you and many others here have no idea as to how DNA can be used and how it is stored, or even used in cloning....

Its always good to laugh, healthy!!! Don't you agree?

Of course tissue can be stored, we all know that, but it has to be stored correctly and it takes up millions of times more physical space than a digitized photo!!! Even on certain high tech programs, they make a printout/photo of someone's DNA and compare it with a similar photos, using a computer. No actual tissue is used for this comparison. Only these images. Watch some modern crime programs on TV......

Once it is stored, the original actual tissue is kept as evidence for a crime maybe, but to store also tissue from ALL law abiding citizens would be prohibitive.

Its not cheap for crime evidence!!

Opinion revised sir.........you need to take up a constructive hobby and get out more for fresh air, with lots of oxygen in it.

Bye!!!

Already done, since many, many years......

I have a dog (lots of walks!), I have a workshop, I have masses of tools collected over many years, I re-taught myself welding about 10 years ago, I fix car navigation, audio systems in a local company as a part time job. I fish and I have an old caravan that likes to be towed all over Europe....when its warm mostly!!.

I think its enough for a person who will be 70 this years, don't you?

And if your advice generally is as good as your practical knowledge on this subject, I should probably do the reverse!!

DNA is found in the apartment of terrorists who are now dead. The FBI wants to interview anyone who might have had contact with either of them. 15 years ago you visited a friend of yours who lived in this apartment. Your DNA was found and matched in the "private" DNA database. The very thorough FBI questions you, your neighbors, your friends, and relatives. Regardless of the outcome of those interviews there will be a "file" with your name on it (if there isn't one already) and you will forever be a person associated with these terrorists.

But you have nothing to hide, right? Well some of your neighbors, who might not know you so well will be looking at you a bit differently. (Maybe with more respect because you're being vetted for appointment as a Federal Judge; or maybe with some apprehension if the reason is unknown. )

But you have nothing to hide!

If you've been questioned by the FBI concerning someone you don't know very well you know what I mean.

This is just a simple example of how your life might be negatively affected if the government has access to that "private" DNA database. If the government knows of its existence and want access to it for reasons of "national security" they will get access to it, one way or another.

The scenario is possible of course, but as the SAME/SIMILAR scenario will in fact HAVE taken place, in possibly millions of offices, bars, homes and cars, in the big scheme of things (it won't be a single occurrence as you appear to think) it will make no difference in the large scheme of things.

It happens to today with crime scenes that unknown DNA is found, but cannot be attributed to anyone. Today, if or when you are identified, it looks actually worse for you......you did not come forward....

BUT, as someone who visited that house (in your scenario many years ago for prive/legal reasons), you could easily be someone who can actually help the police with their enquiries further, which, being a helpful law abiding citizen, you do of course......

As i expected, its difficult to formulate a "real" reason against such possible data banks. If he gets into office, Trump will probably feel its a great idea..........but as has been said, time after time, there is no decision by any country, to officially instigate an official data base ANYWHERE!

But as already said, certain jobs and jail time means its already happening for millions of people worldwide, not just in the USA and UK.

I believe one of my questions was that would you turn down a job in the military, for the government or certain big businesses, just because they might harvest your DNA? AS THEY DO ALREADY!!! How about an answer?

The example I provided was to answer your question (post #26):

"Please explain to me (and the others here) why having your "private" DNA in some still "theoretical" data bank will in any way infringe your life negatively."

Government DNA databases do exist. While I am no expert, a quick review of what I can find on the net tells me that most or all of them are restricted in who's DNA they may store. Such as military personnel, criminals, suspected criminals, &etc. The point being that the information identifying individuals cannot be collected and stored arbitrarily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_DNA_database

But your question concerns "private" databases and how giving your DNA (for reasons such as the OP initially suggested) might infringe your life negatively. If your DNA isn't already in a government database using Ancestry.com or 23AndMe.com would make it accessible to the government if they have the authority to access it.

In another post I suggest they will access it whether they have the legal authority or not given sufficient motivation, such as the example I provided.

Also, the example scenario suggested your visit was 15 years ago maybe I should have written 25 or 50 years ago. The point being you're more likely than not to have completely forgotten where it is you visited your friend so long ago. (In the US anyway, non-capital crimes cannot be prosecuted after a period of time because is it is extremely difficult to defend. Evidence is no longer available, people's memories deteriorate, &etc.)

You posted:-

But your question concerns "private" databases and how giving your DNA (for reasons such as the OP initially suggested) might infringe your life negatively.

I never said "private".....In fact I assumed a government possibly....

But in fact I wasn't concerned either way if I need to have my DNA information stored in a data bank, if it comes thats fine with me, if it doesn't, thats also fine with me.....I really don't care either way, as I see many possible benefits with having it stored, which I have already posted.

I am simply fascinated as to how the "looney Left" in the USA, believe that it will come in 2017!! Some of them even post here.....

Also, I have not heard from ANYONE as to how it might affect them negatively, NOTHING!! Its always a "just because" with nothing more.....and of course I would say if you really don't want it stored for any reason, so be it. It should not be stored!!

Furthermore, because the ones here doing the worrying are mostly not engineers for one thing, as they are not considering all the aspects and practicalities, some of which I have mentioned already.

Also, just how difficult, even today, making a clone of a living creature is.....especially when a data bank, would only have a picture or similar of the DNA, not the actual tissue or blood.....let alone the relative time scales....It really is laughable.....

I personally see a possible huge health and general benefit for the population as a whole as I have already mentioned several times.....

As well as not being almost automatically being classed as a 2nd class citizen if DNA infos are with held for any reason by the "owner"....Though that will take years and years I know....and is simply not yet planned anywhere I can find online!!

I have asked several questions here, in several posts, that nobody has managed to give a single logical answer to, as to why they see it as "bad!"......

I believe that the really clever ones on CR4 already know how difficult it would be to achieve a clone, the huge resources needed, and are simply not following this blog anymore..... Good for them!

But the LL people here, sort of appear to believe that some future US government, will clone them at birth, but "hiding" the clones somewhere(?) and producing them as "them" to take over job and family at the will of a future government or similar!! DUUUHHHH!!!

Its all fiction at this time anyway!!!

Come back Arnold, I have just posted a new Terminator film script for you!!!

Thats about the level we are at today!!!

I never said "private".....In fact I assumed a government possibly

My mistake, I tought you meant a private DNA database because:

1. I don't know what "public DNA" (not private) means; and
2. The OP was specifically about "private" databases, eg: Ancestry.com and the police wanting access.

What you wrote was:-

My mistake, I tought you meant a private DNA database because:

1. I don't know what "public DNA" (not private) means; and
2. The OP was specifically about "private" databases, eg: Ancestry.com and the police wanting access.

I have not seen where Ancestry. com want this (please post a link), and the police wanting access (please post a link) tends to make me feel that eventually it would be a government department.....my mistake if you know better......

You seem to forget, there are no such databases anywhere in the world at this time, if you ignore some big businesses, government workers and criminals....

So we are talking hypothetically.

Also, reading between the lines, some here mention things like "Spy Governments" and the like....and other than your ideas, nobody mentions private companies....

Naturally if it ever becomes law (ask mister Trump if he becomes president), they may farm it out to a private company (owned by Trump maybe?), which in my opinion would be a total disaster.

I can see lots of good uses of it for mankind as a whole, but I am struggling (please assist me) to understand why it would be "negative or dangerous"......

Hopefully that puts this to bed and it is fully understood.

You wrote:-

Hopefully that puts this to bed and it is fully understood.

I hope so too, but reading back over some of your earlier posts here, ( for example Posts # 8, 11, 13, 30, 36, 43, 46, 48, 53, plus your similarly misinformed friend ZZORB!!), you did not have a clue about this when we started (you were by far not alone in that by the way!).

Some of your posts were quite rude to me personally, by the way, for no reason at all other than your initial ignorance, and by believing too many "conspiracy theories" from the LLs here, at a guess only!

So now you are up to speed. Well done!!!

Though we must still see what is still in the pipeline I feel!!!

Have a great day.

You haven't read my last post I see!!!

It is not a government department, just as I knew it would not be, but it is the police asking.

Furthermore, the company concerned had warned in their contracts the people giving DNA, that with the right paperwork, they would even allow the police to "look".

What is wrong with that?

All legal and above board.......you are surely not suggesting that it was done in any way illegally???

I would not even think of suggesting that the US or any government would "take over" such a company. Had not even thought it, and by the way, the US Government has also not thought about it either. Its only a few people here and the other various groups already mentioned on this blog....

But if it happens, I guarantee it will be because "too many Chumps, voted for Trump!" ("Trump" is another British word for a Fart by the way.......)

No other possible future president is daft enough to do it...is my take up to now anyway......

The reasons behind my posts were because of the posts from the "Looney Left" here, who obviously have not the slightest idea of how DNA is digitised and used.

The people who talked of being "Cloned" are so far from reality, I had to say something......

ALSO, I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN AN ANSWER FROM ANYONE HERE, IN SPITE OF ME ASKING SEVERAL TIMES, AS TO HOW (ASSUMING THEY ARE NOT A CRIMINAL ON THE RUN), ANYONE CAN USE SOMEONE'S DNA TO HARM THEM IN ANY WAY, AS IT IS STORED ON COMPUTERS.

OR EVEN HOW WE ACTUALLY SPREAD IT AROUND US, EACH AND EVERY SECOND, OF EVERY MINUTE, OF EVERY HOUR, OF EVERY DAY, OF EVERY YEAR EACH. IF SOMEONE WANTS IT, THEY ONLY HAVE TO FOLLOW US FOR A FEW DAYS AND SIMPLY PICK IT UP OFF ANYTHING WE HAVE HANDLED, CHEWED OR LICKED.....

SIMPLE MY DEAR WATSON!!!

(We would all have to breath air from a cylinder and live inside a plastic bubble, to reduce that to possibly zero.......with no guarantee.....)

I did not get one single reply of any consequence. Which did not surprise me in the slightest......but it may have surprised you......

So I take, there is no way known, by anyone here at least (and without a huge laboratory and millions of dollars), as how to harm anyone else simply by having their DNA as a tissue sample.......and as a Digital Data from a data bank, even far less possibilities.....(if you like, we can even go into negative numbers!!)

It was only the "LLs" being stupid again!!! We all know who they are. They have suddenly quietened down......

Thanks for your reply.

Please for the love of God, go give anyone your DNA sample and feel exonerated. Just contact the FBI, CIA, MI5, BND, CASCOPE and anyone else and make a donation. No one is stopping you to choose to do so.

Those who do not wish to be part of your exemplary citizenship, let them have their right to privacy as you wish your right to publicity. Not one person is stopping you and not one person is deeming you a 2nd class person, as you have chosen to do.

Each to their own and each to their morals and ideals.

Is your DNA private property? You have a pretty definitive 'Yes' from most here and sufficient proof to make most of the world, 2nd class folks in your eyes.

Flogging more than a dead horse here. And spoon fed. As they say, No sh*t Sherlock.

Not quiet, researching and awaiting your comments with baited breath. It might also be handy that your effort to produce anything to the contrary for further researching that may be persuasive to change anyone's mind, would be helpful. Assumption and supposition Watson, insufficient evidence on your behalf. I see no argument offered here, or by yourself, for anyone to give up their right to privacy, in any form or context.

NB; it is not just the USA who wants your dna and private information. The USA is not alone Mulder. "The truth is out there".

Please for the love of God, go give anyone your DNA sample and feel exonerated. Just contact the FBI, CIA, MI5, BND, CASCOPE and anyone else and make a donation. No one is stopping you to choose to do so.

I have only posted that if it was a requirement for where I live, I would agree. You appear to be losing contact with reality! Please for the love of God, Go and read my posts, SLOWLY!!

Those who do not wish to be part of your exemplary citizenship, let them have their right to privacy as you wish your right to publicity. Not one person is stopping you and not one person is deeming you a 2nd class person, as you have chosen to do.

Each to their own and each to their morals and ideals.

I agree entirely, those who want to keep it private will be the same ones complaining that they have been arrested for nothing, if a police state happens where they live.

But, let us not forget that you were seemingly of a COMPLETELY different opinion a few says ago!

Also you were quite rude and very explicit, do I need to remind you (again) of all your "rude" posts, or is that a bit of you being a "do what I say, not what I do?"

Is your DNA private property? You have a pretty definitive 'Yes' from most here and sufficient proof to make most of the world, 2nd class folks in your eyes.

Flogging more than a dead horse here. And spoon fed. As they say, No sh*t Sherlock.

You "HAD a pretty definitive "YES", its simply evaporated.....

But "Dead horse flogging is far more your speciality, (the "yes" men that were here on your side have gone suddenly quiet). But if you wish, I can show this simply by posting all your comments here again in one post, and let the other here decide, your choice!

Actually, having you own DNA Data is a bit like having an acre of land on the moon, that is if you REALLY understand the situation! You have a great certificate, it looks great on the wall of the living room, but it will bring you nothing useful for the next 50 years or more!! If ever!!

Not quiet, researching and awaiting your comments with baited breath. It might also be handy that your effort to produce anything to the contrary for further researching that may be persuasive to change anyone's mind, would be helpful. Assumption and supposition Watson, insufficient evidence on your behalf. I see no argument offered here, or by yourself, for anyone to give up their right to privacy, in any form or context.

I have not TRIED to change anyone's mind, are you so bad in comprehension?

But I HAVE, with faithful repetition of the REAL (simply obvious) facts, in a simple to understand way, obviously changed some minds here!

But certainly not all. But as even you are now desperately back peddling like mad, I think that you may have seen the "light" though I am not yet certain!!!!

Remember too, YOU STILL CANNOT ANSWER MY MAIN QUESTION!!!!!

All the Looney Left has gone REALLY quiet suddenly, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ALSO CANNOT ANSWER MY QUESTION OF HOW ANYONE CAN DO SOMETHING NASTY TO YOU IF THEY GET HOLD OF YOUR DNA DATA!!! Is the question SO difficult?

So once again, can you answer my oft repeated question, with a valid well thought out reply, JUST ONCE WILL DO! PLEEEEEESE?

But if you are of my opinion at last, that there is no reply that will fit my question, then say so or remain at least silent.

If there is a valid answer, I am really interested to hear it, something that could not think of.....(certainly very possible, there are some far better brains than mine on CR4, you would imagine that one of them KNOWS!

NB; it is not just the USA who wants your dna and private information. The USA is not alone Mulder. "The truth is out there".

That is just a throwaway comment that says basically nothing useful, just like all your other posts here. Uninformed, bitter and often rude.....

Do please remember, that as of NOW, NO government, least of all the USA, is making it a requirement for all citizens to be DNA logged. A comment that I have already made several times, but you do not appear to either read, or understand.......

Till the next time you post!!

I AM WAITING!!!

(Just so you know, I can never condone rudeness, directed either at me or anyone else here. But I find that a sarcastic, maybe annoying reply, to such a rude person to be fine, simply "fair game!", don't you agree?)

Dear Andy,in Germany near Frankfurt.

One question please. Have you or anyone in your family ever had any cyber crime committed against them, such as your bank account emptied out completely, or your identity stolen, or your computer hacked in any way that your personal information is now the hands of another person.

Now total honesty please, it is a simple question.

No. Never ever. None of us. None of us even post personal videos or Photos....

I was working for several major US computer companies from 1973 till I retired in 2006 so I guess I 'ain't exactly stupid. I was the "hands on" support Manager for Scandinavia, Europe, UK and Ireland, Middle east and Africa between 1999 and 2006.

I was a hard and software specialist for many years. I travelled the world finding and fixing problems on all shapes and sizes of computer equipment.

I have assisted IBM and several other company specialists when they were "lost"....

All my family are VERY computer savvy.

My wife was the computer room manager (that how I met her) of a small company in 1981, in Cologne, Germany that was selling American (?) Fishing and hunting gear. Shakespeare was the name.

I guess we all have enough common sense to buy the best antivirus software (GDate or Kaspersky by the way, nothing else!) and take proper steps to keep intrusions to a minimum....It seems to work!!

BUT WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH ANYONE STEALING YOUR DNA???

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH IT? PLEASE TELL ME?

I know how to misuse online/Bank passwords and the like, not that I have ever had the need.

BUT YOU STILL HAVEN'T OFFERED ME AN ANSWER ABOUT HOW TO MISUSE DIGITAL DNA, EVEN AFTER BEING ASKED AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN TIMES.

Just so you really know, NOBODY can do anything bad to you with DNA Data kept in anyone's data bank.

Only criminals have anything to worry about!

Its that simple.......

In the next 100 years or so, that could change, but today, you are still safe!!

You are a very model citizen, congratulations.

1.Anyone doing any research normally researches both the positives and negatives of a subject, in order to obtain any balance to form an opinion, which is a personal item, and not necessarily that of the masses, or of any other person.

2. So far you have not quite proffered facts. DNA is also kept as samples of tissue or blood.

3. By providing any type of sample of ones self, one places a great trust in others to utilise the said DNA in a trusting manner that does not breech the trust one has installed to another. FACT: once any human sample is passed on to another, the said other can sell on your sample without you knowing about it. In all essence you have been sold.like it or not.

4. Fact: your DNA can be sold on, issued free, to anyone who may request a sample of your DNA. In most cases your details, name , age, location etc., are provided along with your DNA sample, to people you do not know, nor do you know what they will do with your DNA samples. I admit, not all providers may issue your details with the sample. However, you do not know what they will do, or if they are as ethical as much as you are.

5. As in researching this topic, the outcome is flawed in that your DNA can be used against you to prevent you getting a job, a loan, future medical attention etc., by simply testing everyone's DNA then deciding what future disease you will obtain or were born with, or obtained in any travels. So simply put, you offer a DNA sample, someone tests it and decides you are going to die at 37 yrs old. This now is forwarded to a medical aid who promptly requests a high monthly premium as they have positive proof you will die of cancer or Ebola or zika or dingle berry, at age 37.Your medical treatment is then costed out and you pay a lot more as they have forewarning of your condition and charge you accordingly.

6. Your sample DNA may prove that you are carrier of the dread disease 'guacamole'. Your employer decides to do DNA checks on his staff from a data base who charges for checks. Just like credit checks are done on people. He pays his fee and discoverers you have guacamole disease, and fires you. And you know nothing about it at all. What do you do now, pay for your own DNA testing?

I go no further my friend, as you can provide your own research. What anyone may do with your DNA against you is not my concern, but, my concern is why should I give anyone the right to do anything. I do not control criminal activities world wide, if I did I would not be dealing with you here. However, you can ask a criminal of your choice what he could and would do with your DNA information. Try the Deep Web for info.

There is no reason to believe a private data provider would be trusted, just as there is no reason to trust the CIA, FBI, MI5, the police, me or anyone else for that matter these days. You are responsible for your privacy and your rights, not anyone else, so the right to your rights belongs to you and you alone. What you do with your rights is no one else's business. DNA is like Intellectual Property, while it is in your head, (body), it belongs to you and not your employer, not the government, not the police etc. Just as DNA is your IP, you can decide who gets it or who does not get it.

Now I close this and leave you to do your soul searching and 'Net searching. I am satisfied that I an not a 2nd class person, I am also satisfied that my DNA is Private Property and is mine alone. I suggest you research using other search engines and get a broader spread of view points.

Pleae draw your own conclusions with the fullest of information rather than personal beliefs and ARK.

DNA is IP and not public information.

QED

You are a very model citizen, congratulations.

Of course. I knew that already, now you do too!! It is nothing special, most people are just the same....

1.Anyone doing any research normally researches both the positives and negatives of a subject, in order to obtain any balance to form an opinion, which is a personal item, and not necessarily that of the masses, or of any other person.

OK if thats how you feel....The Government has not ordained it so in man countries, including the USA.

2. So far you have not quite proffered facts. DNA is also kept as samples of tissue or blood.

You have not understood the facts, I have posted them here already, it does not need to be in Tissue form to still bring huge health benefits to the world for example.

DNA in its raw original form, takes up millions more space than the digital version. Its only done when its needed under the evidence laws, for prosecuting criminals has to be handled and kept intact.

I am assuming, maybe wrongly, that you are not a criminal.

For such a theoretical database as we are talking about here, your DNA would be scanned and then the tissue would be destroyed, it simply takes up too much room and may need special cooling techniques to keep it viable, but it is simply not needed for comparisons. Think of it as a photo that you have stored on your PC, rather than tissue.....(you do know what "tissue" means in this concept I trust!!)

3. By providing any type of sample of ones self, one places a great trust in others to utilise the said DNA in a trusting manner that does not breech the trust one has installed to another. FACT: once any human sample is passed on to another, the said other can sell on your sample without you knowing about it. In all essence you have been sold.like it or not.

Why would anyone do that? If you are a particularly nasty person, I could better understand that if say your next door neighbor was doing the harvesting for something criminal, to give you a headache!!

But we are talking about someone like your doctor, that will do it under official control. The same person that may have your DNA "presented" to him more than once in the year, of your free will!!!

Also, you are leaving your DNA everywhere, every time you move, flakes of skin, hair, saliva on envelopes, cigars, cigarettes, used handkerchiefs, and the like. You probably bag it and put it out for the dustmen!!! Anyone could just pick up the bag and walk off with it....

All of the above can be used illegally to "put" you at a place, doing something......but you cast it off without a thought!!!

SO WHY HAVING THE US GOVERNMENT, THEORETICALLY AT THIS TIME, ASKING YOU IF YOU YOU WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A DIGITAL COPY OF YOUR DNA, ARE YOU YOU UPTIGHT?

4. Fact: your DNA can be sold on, issued free, to anyone who may request a sample of your DNA. In most cases your details, name , age, location etc., are provided along with your DNA sample, to people you do not know, nor do you know what they will do with your DNA samples. I admit, not all providers may issue your details with the sample. However, you do not know what they will do, or if they are as ethical as much as you are.

Why would your voted in government do this to you?

Why would you be the target for such actions?

Why are you different?

Do you really feel that they have the time and/or the inclination to do this?

You are losing me completely. ONLY someone suffering under "Conspiracy Complexes" would even think that!!!

AND YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, YOU DECLINE THE OFFER!!!!! And accept any consequences of your actions....

5. As in researching this topic, the outcome is flawed in that your DNA can be used against you to prevent you getting a job, a loan, future medical attention etc., by simply testing everyone's DNA then deciding what future disease you will obtain or were born with, or obtained in any travels. So simply put, you offer a DNA sample, someone tests it and decides you are going to die at 37 yrs old. This now is forwarded to a medical aid who promptly requests a high monthly premium as they have positive proof you will die of cancer or Ebola or zika or dingle berry, at age 37.Your medical treatment is then costed out and you pay a lot more as they have forewarning of your condition and charge you accordingly.

Let me tell you, if the data bank is ever built (very doubtful in most countries) and you decline to "join", certain, probably government jobs WILL be barred to you.

But I do not follow your comments, in that assuming you have a medical insurance fully paid up, why would medical attention would be refused....

You are believing too much from the "Loony Left" again. But of course, they would probably have your DNA anyway....if they wanted it!! How would you get medical treatment AND prevent that? Impossible!!

6. Your sample DNA may prove that you are carrier of the dread disease 'guacamole'. Your employer decides to do DNA checks on his staff from a data base who charges for checks. Just like credit checks are done on people. He pays his fee and discoverers you have guacamole disease, and fires you. And you know nothing about it at all. What do you do now, pay for your own DNA testing?

You would not get the job in the first place, many quite reasonable companies (certainly the ones that I have worked for, all American by the way) required a medical check, from their own doctor, up front before employing me. Normal practise.

Poorly paid jobs, where you just need some muscles probably don't, I really don't know as I have never had such a job!! But I did have the muscles!!

Also, I have never worked in the food industry, but I would assume that certain checks are/have to be made there by quality food companies, before allowing anyone to do such work....Just guessing though....

Please make comments that are logical, these are not!!!

I go no further my friend, as you can provide your own research. What anyone may do with your DNA against you is not my concern, but, my concern is why should I give anyone the right to do anything. I do not control criminal activities world wide, if I did I would not be dealing with you here. However, you can ask a criminal of your choice what he could and would do with your DNA information. Try the Deep Web for info.

Your mind appears to have been taken over by conspiracy thoughts (many have these types of problems, you are not alone!).

Or sadly, far more likely, you are already a criminal or have a criminal record, a brush with the law or something (parking tickets unpaid is still criminal offense above a certain value I believe in the USA!) where all your comments would then be far more valid, your worries too.

Have you ever been arrested? Have you ever done jail time? Have you ever been imprisoned?

I have had none of these things myself, which is why I have no qualms IF IT EVER COMES TRUE!!! Which I do not believe that it will anywhere in Europe.....

I have said several times, this type of criminal DNA data bank, is already in use.....has been for some years, in probably most westernized countries.....

There is no reason to believe a private data provider would be trusted, just as there is no reason to trust the CIA, FBI, MI5, the police, me or anyone else for that matter these days. You are responsible for your privacy and your rights, not anyone else, so the right to your rights belongs to you and you alone. What you do with your rights is no one else's business. DNA is like Intellectual Property, while it is in your head, (body), it belongs to you and not your employer, not the government, not the police etc. Just as DNA is your IP, you can decide who gets it or who does not get it.

That is your belief? Then you have a real bad problem don't you! Your/mine DNA IS NOT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. NOT ANYMORE!

Now I close this and leave you to do your soul searching and 'Net searching. I am satisfied that I an not a 2nd class person, I am also satisfied that my DNA is Private Property and is mine alone. I suggest you research using other search engines and get a broader spread of view points.

Please draw your own conclusions with the fullest of information rather than personal beliefs and ARK.

DNA is IP and not public information.

QED

Good that you are happy with yourself, even if seriously badly informed.

The future will eventually be revealed. I personally can imagine that with people like Trump on the political scene, that something like the government criminal data bank could be expanded to cover everyone as near as possible, this might happen in the USA, sooner rather than later.....watch who you vote for carefully....

For example, gun control in the USA is very poor as a nation, gun crimes are very high, especially in certain inner city areas, many unlicensed weapons on the street, so I can see a time when every legal weapon will be registered and linked to the owner. DNA might be a way to fully identify the owner.....its possible.

The unlicensed guns when found, which will give the illegal user/holder a long jail sentence.....each and every time, just as it does already in many westernized countries around the world.....

To sum up, you have still not told us here exactly what any government department could do with your Digital DNA Data, even though you have been asked many times. NOT A SINGLE ANSWER. By the way, I don't know either, which is why I am not in a panic.....

Assuming that you are not living in a "bubble", you spread DNA around you (like we all do by the way), every time you move like an invisible cloud.

Your house/apartment is thick with it, no matter how often you clean up.

Furthermore, unless everything you need to throw away goes straight into your home incinerator (carry your coffee cups home, with the rest of your McDonald's packing or similar), to burn it.

Never wipe your hands on a paper towel and leave it behind and and and and and and and! The list is endless!!

Never eat in a restaurant and leave the knife and fork unwashed on the plate, always wear a face mask and rubber gloves and the like.....

Your DNA will be always be easily found by those people wanting to give you a problem!! EVEN NOW!!!

If your parents are alive (or exhume them if buried), they could gather both their DNAs and have a fairly complete version of your DNA. They could gather DNA left behind by your children in school, on buses, in the playground and build up a good picture of your DNA, even checking that the children ARE yours on the way....

Even on the lunch box you packed them for school has your DNA on it!

Read through the links below carefully, do not "cherry pick", or you will come to the wrong conclusion.

But basically, the US Supreme Court says that all DNA naturally occurring (yours and mine for example) CANNOT be claimed as intellectual property, because it comes from nature......So you are relying on some very false and misleading ideas!!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-22895161

http://www.genome.gov/19016590

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2013/mar/12/intellectual-property-genome-divide

The third link basically says what I have been saying to you all along and that the benefits of having DNA scanned with regard to public health, will not be allowed to be "skimmed off" by a few large companies.....and must be done in the case of Type 2 Diabetes as soon as possible for example....

I forgot this case which is also interesting!!

who-owns-your-dna?-its-not-who-you-think!!

In the words of my good friend Don Trump: Whatever!

I feel you should seriously consider changing your name/avatar here at some point, the present one simply (pun intended!) does not fit....

It even comes over as "boasting" to some here.......

Your call either way - "Whatever!!"

I always assist the police in their enquiries, it has only happened a few times over many years, there was no question of me being charged with anything. I have never been arrested either.....

I am no different to many other law abiding people around the world.

But there are a "breed" of people all over the world, who delight in NOT assisting the police in their work.....they must bear the results of that......it could be life changing...either way.....who knows?

'But there are a "breed" of people all over the world, who delight in NOT assisting the police in their work.....they must bear the results of that'

Self righteous and pompous with arrogance to boot sir. How dare you make these assumptions of people who just want peace from any spying government.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2002:201:0037:0047:en:PDF

Now you are infringing my rights and being in the EU you should take note of this document.

If this was not the case then pray tell why is Nokia Siemens now answering embarrassing questions on the deal and supply of spying equipment they provided to Egypt.

No one is stopping you going out and doing your good deeds, but do not judge the people on your ideals and make rash statements that people are bad because they do not follow your rational. Why don't you just offer your email address password, bank account No and pin codes, your Personal No for your tax and all your private data. Or is this an invasion of your privacy?

Remember this, which I believe in most strongly:-

"What others say about you reveals more about them than it does you." Anon

To answer your post a little:-

You obviously have not read my posts carefully, or you would not relate such things to DNA storage.

DNA, as used by police around the world, bears no relationship to ANYTHING you have posted here, NOTHING!! They use picture images and digital data TAKEN from tissue.

You always get DNA from tissue, but once it has been "scanned" its just images and digital data....its not "Tron"!!

Storing vast amounts of tissue would not be practical, only for "criminal" reasons is it stored in its original form as well....

Please tell us once and for all what anyone can do to you in a nasty way, using a photo copy/digital data of your DNA, I am really interested in a REAL scenario......because that is all such a databank, unless you fit into one of the categories I previously mentioned, would be stored.

I actually have also spent some time on the question and have come up with nothing that normal logic cannot refute.....So you have a job I feel!

But if you are like the other "scairdies" here, no logical answer will be forthcoming, just rudeness and arrogance.....seen that already and today!!

But if you REALLY have something useful to say, please let us understand what you have.

What you posted for example:-

Self righteous and pompous with arrogance to boot sir. How dare you make these assumptions of people who just want peace from any spying government.

If you have a spying government (don't they all spy on each other?), go somewhere else please where that does not take place!

So stop being arrogant and complaining!! Do something useful!!

But its NOTHING to do with me or my posts!! The arrogance from these words are yours and yours alone...and the problem is with government, not me....

Also, you will have to search long for a land where no spying takes place, central Africa MAYBE?

Now you are infringing my rights and being in the EU you should take note of this document.

Please explain how I, a private person in Germany, is infringing your rights?

At least one instance please.

Do not forget that NO government has planned such a database as of now, but D.Trump might, so don't vote for him!!

No one is stopping you going out and doing your good deeds, but do not judge the people on your ideals and make rash statements that people are bad because they do not follow your rational.

What good deeds? What rash statements? That you did not quote me proves that you have little in the hand. I think my statements through, not everyone does it would seem!!

But I was also bringing some logic to something that you obviously do not understand!! It seems that I cannot help you with that problem.....

Why don't you just offer your email address password, bank account No and pin codes, your Personal No for your tax and all your private data. Or is this an invasion of your privacy?

Now do I need to answer that? Or are you SO badly informed that you can mix up a DNA photo/digital data, with an email address, password, bank account no. and pin codes, personal no. for my/your tax and all your private data.

TELL ME WHAT BAD PEOPLE CAN DO WITH YOUR OR MY DNA DATA!

I still have not understood that point! Maybe they will stick needles in it just like in VOODOO maybe?

Feel free!! Use your imagination!! TELL ME!!

But of course, what you said is not an invasion of my privacy! A rash statement maybe?

It would not be an "invasion" because, according to you, I offered it!!! So NO INVASION? DUUHHHH!

Invasion is something else dear boy....

Do you not read your words before posting so that they make some sense? Most of us here will know what you should have written, but that was not it!!

Try again to answer my questions.

Thanks in advance and please try to surprise me, but do remember, rash and rude statements will NOT do that!! Its your normal level!! I am getting quite used to it......

I will take up the fight here. 1. I agree with Annon 1. whole heartedly. 2. I am not Annon 1, I stand by what I say until I have alternate information which makes me reconsider that which I may have thought I knew.

To help you 'unstruggle' I shall give you a simple hypothetical study.

Mr. AG donates his DNA to the government DNA data base. Mr. AG has trusted the Gov and their overwhelming truth that they will protect Mr. AG DNA data. Mr.AG believes them and trusts them.

Mr, Cyber Criminal decided one day to hack the system and collect Mr.AG's DNA data. Mr. Criminal clones Mr. AG for fun, to prove he can do so.

Mr. AG (real one) gets caught speeding by Mr. Plod, who has Mr. AG spit in the handy spit-o-meter that is coupled to the laptop in Plods high speed Dacia interceptor. Perfect match of dna, Mr. AG is carried off screaming his innocence, plonked in jail for life because the cloned Mr. AG committed a serious crime in Benoni and now Plod has captured the culprit with a dna match. The law is happy, they have their man safe in jail. Oh yes he is contesting his innocence but we have our man, The dna matched perfectly or as near as possible because our dna match making equipment was slightly out of calibration, and Plod, he did not have to do any real investigatory work, as the law relied on a machine and dna matching all done over the Internet

Tough luck Mr AG you are done for.

Now the dna is in a safe data storage facility, that just happens to be connected on a secure internet. Fantastic we say. The computer guys say 'Cool'. I'm bored lets hack the dna storage data base for fun, via a back door.

Now, iPads and cell phones can and will run nuclear facilities. Each operator has an iPad. Internet connected at any time or Bluetoothed to devices that are all hackable. The internet is growing daily. Microsoft would be a likely candidate for dna data storage, Even better, they have been hacked many times, so many that they have their own cyber police monitoring the internet.

Amazingly the US Govt took on Windows 10 recently. Hmm! Anyone from Microsoft could access your dna data, for fun. Microsoft decides to make a few dollars and sells your data on to an outside party. That outside party can do as they please with your dna and you have no control, but, your dna made a profit of which you gain zip, nada, nothing or a big fat 0. So, do you have control of your personal (private), information? Your life can be ruined and your family's life ruined.

Check this as back up; see Henrietta Lacks

http://www.essence.com/2010/02/12/henrietta-lacks-doctors-took-her-cells-without-asking

Saves you looking for proof.

Cyber crime is worth over $600B per annum, It is the biggest business in the world.

http://www.metronews.ca/features/ottawa/defend-from-hackers/2014/04/02/prezcup-ottawa-how-much-is-cybercrime-really-worth.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-12492309

Check them out and investigate further.

Now my beef is that you may deem people 2nd class or criminal because they want privacy, and like their privacy, and defend their privacy, (which they are entitled to do under their civil rights and law, which they were born with, not granted or gained or earned or bought). A God given right of life.

To catergorically state that anyone not offering their dna is presumed guilty or classed as 2nd class, because they like to maintain privacy, is so beyond comprehension that it is ludicrous. Becuase Mr AG thought he was being smart in giving his dna sample he thinks anyone else who does not hold his idea is a criminal. Are you smoking weed or taking drain cleaner sir?

People who defend their right to privacy should be applauded an you should thank them for looking after your lazy arse. You were in the forces, what did you fight for? Freedom, peoples rights, your family, to serve your country for better things. To protect and serve those who needed protection? For you own ideas to life? Or did you just roll over and die for a cause, and was that a 'Because you were told to".

The Govt is there to serve the public, (not the other way around), and not provide the intimidation they fork out. People like yourself take away other people rights because you just give in so easily and fall for the BS of the Govt. How many time have you voted and how many times has the Govt fulfilled their promises. OMG man what planet are you on?

You have enough hassle in Germany these days with sexual abuse over Christmas, I see the Plods have caught a few, one for sexaul abuse of a woman, 26 for theft. Oddly, over 100 woman have claimed sexual abuse by the refugees, but all you caught was one guy. FM! Why not take all the refugees dna and match them up. Oops! I forgot, you can't as it is illegal in the EU. Oops the EU has a Bill of Rights They have a Privacy law. OMG, I did not know that! Nip down to your local citizens advice and get your free copy to read.

So why should anyone want to offer private information to a Govt, and why should anyone NOT have the right to Privacy anywhere at any time? Go look at the ceilings in Heathrow, Frankfort, NY, Arlanda or other airports anywhere and see how much they listen to your conversation. God help you land at Heathrow, you are on 250 cameras just getting off a plane and walking outside. The USA is the most spied on public in the world, so why would anyone want to offer private information, They get more than enough.

https://www.rt.com/news/germany-spied-nsa-snowden-515/ This is just Germany getting spied on by the USA.

This is the USA spying on their own people:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/americans-the-most-spied-on-people-in-world-history.html

Just how much do you think they need to know about anyone.

Check out CNN today and see how many USA folks are supporting Apple and telling the FBI to back off, all to save their privacy. And it will save your privacy too.

If you want to give away your privacy rights, that is your business. Many want to keep their privacy. They like it private. But to assume people are 2nd class for keeping information private from a Govt, well..... And for a Govt to need your dna to work for them or fight their battles, well again these folks should say no, and let the politicians go fight. But they have the right to say yes, it is OK, too. And still be treated equally.

My job here is done. I hope Trump is the new president and I agree with Annon1. And ask Angela Merkel if she likes her privacy. I have a feeling she does.

And if Trump gets cloned when his dna is hacked from a data base, fantasic, as he can run tiwce for office, My Man!

We need an " excellent " box for the Rate button

I only read half, as you appear to only have red half of mine! (being enerous, you understood nothing at all!!)

As to your comments about cloning, if you yourself are a sheep, there may just be time to fool someone.

But as the cloning produces a baby version of the person concerned, its going to be MANY years before they even get a driving license. Let alone look like the original.

And as Mr AG (the real one) is still getting older, even though clones age faster and die younger, my guess is that it will take 25 or more years to get anything like the same looking.

Furthermore, as this Mr AG will be 70 this year, the distance is far too great in time to allow an "overtake" of a clone double!!

So he is safe from a double problem..... Many here do not understand that at all!!!

The following I have not previously mentioned as I had hoped that another here was informed enough to mention it! As far as I remember, nobody has!!!

Furthermore, assuming for the moment that Mr Trump does require such a databank, you have totally misunderstood, many more here too I suspect, that only a digital photograph or printout of the DNA will be stored, not the actual tissue.

As far as I am aware, making tissue from a digital photograph or printout, has never been achieved!!! It is theoretically possible, but none of the dummies who are crooks, or the people that think the same way, are simply not clever enough (it would be a life's work for a top scientist over many years I suspect! ANobel prize would be the result I tend to imagine. Have you seen any crook lately with such a prize?)

As I mentioned previously (you missed it!!), you would need to clone someone BEFORE they were a teenager to even possibly get a match in looks and eventually apparent age......now that is Long Term Planning!!! DUUUHHHH!!!

I never knew a crook that took LTP SO seriously!!!! and for SOOOOOO LONG!!!

Do I need to sum up, or have you finally understood why nobody can do anything nasty with your DNA? (You are not alone here, sadly!!)

My good fellow. You have more than sufficient information presented here to let you understand FOLKS DON'T WANT THEIR PRIVACY INVADE by you, a govt., or anyone.

What part of this, is it that you do not understand?

No one can do anything with your hacked information and really, terrorists are nice people too, they are just a little angry, misdirected and misunderstood.

And the govt is just looking after your interests too. No worry at all.

Then you will have to accept that you then being someone the police may not trust immediately!!

Just being arrested won't bother you maybe, for something you are not involved in....

But you can bet, if someone like Trump has his way and it actually comes true (in the USA), the law on arrests will be cleaned up to allow the Police to arrest such "private" people at will and let them go MUCH later, once they have been cleared...

Its almost like that in most countries anyway right now!! In the USA, the police are allowed to do just that, IF THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS!! Now they get a NEW reason!!

UK and Germany much the same.....you are guilty till proven innocent.....

I am simply not that stupidly private and if it helped me get grafts for my eyes, or a new kidney, or some horrible cancer or other disease can be eradicated, I am all for it!! (IF IT COMES!!)

Did you understand my last post? That the possibilities of cloning being used against anyone, as you and a couple or others think, are totally impracticable? Hard going even for legal laboratories....

Just possible maybe on the film screen......

Do have a great and very private day!!

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.-Ben Franklin

Ask one of the millions who have had all of their personal data exposed in the OPM data breach whether they trust that their DNA information is secure in a searchable database.

It shouldn't really need to be applied here, but as so many are worrying unnecessarily about "losing control" of their DNA , I thought that it might be a good idea to remind ourselves of the most likely person in the world at this time, to eventually institute it in the USA (or anywhere!), using one of his own companies of course:-

Some of Donald Trumps dumbest moments. Sadly not all!!

Up to you how you vote of course, but there are other possible candidates for the same party if he is not your favourite!! And other parties if Republican is not your thing!!!

I will say as an "onlooker", I personally cannot believe that he has got this far.......now its getting REALLY dangerous for the USA!!

Our most serious threat is becoming like the UK! Bernie and Hillary would set us on the fast track to socialism and more government controls on our economy. Trump would slow down any trends to socialism just by creating gridlock in Congress so nothing would change.

You do know that the present UK government and prime minister are NOT socialists!!

Nor are they democratic in the US political party terminology.....

Nor are they anything like a republican Trump presidency might be! (WAIT UP!!) Also, have little to do with republican policies either.....

"Trump" is also an old British word for a "Fart"......it fits perfectly.......!!

Its the way he talks!!! He expels warm gas that stinks!!!

Where do your political instincts lie, if I may be so bold as to ask?

Have a great day!