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Not Ready for Prime Time

Posted April 01, 2016 12:00 AM by Engineering360 eNewsletter

The autonomous vehicle was at fault. That was the rendering of California's Department of Motor Vehicles regarding a recent accident between Google's self-driving car and a California bus. Perhaps more disconcerting, the autonomous vehicle - in a recent 15 month period - failed to take control on 341 separate occasions.


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04/02/2016 6:44 AM

If this was a private person they would have been banned already from driving and no insurance company would touch you.

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04/02/2016 11:35 AM

Apparently these 341 events did not cause an accident. Can you elaborate on 1 or 2 of those?

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04/02/2016 4:13 PM

Thanks. So humans took over in some cases. The problems are being reduced with software changes.

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04/02/2016 7:03 PM

So, in ten years, they'll kill you only half as often?

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04/03/2016 5:34 AM

Marvelous work they are doing these days. We can now log in and get upgraded. So what are they doing about the cars?

So what happens when the car hands over control to a passenger? He would need a license to drive and the passenger needs to keep an eye on things, so realistically the passenger cannot sit back and be involved in his own things as they are making out they can do. If it is left to a remote driver, chances are he or she will be very busy monitoring many moving cars.

We shall soon require control rooms as they have on air traffic control. Or will this be left to a server? I have not come across much information on how they will manage this fleet of vehicles on the roads.

This may be a fine idea for busy cities in developed countries, however, it has many limitations.

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04/03/2016 10:03 PM

This is not a driverless car yet, it's a car that can navigate itself but at the human drivers discretion...a lot of times the human driver takes over to facilitate a situation ...In the situations where the car has alerted the driver to take control, these are reviewed to improve the overall performance be it software related or whatever.....

https://www.inverse.com/article/11314-google-s-driverless-car-computer-will-be-treated-the-same-as-a-human-driver

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04/04/2016 1:46 PM

What happens when the computer refuses to step out of the vehicle for a sobriety test?

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04/04/2016 2:12 PM

Good question came up: if the passenger in inebriated, (drunk) and the car requires the passenger to take over and he or she does not take over command/control of the vehicle and a serious accident occurs, who is the responsible party, the car, the passenger, Google?

One does not need to be sober or under the limit as a passenger in a car, just simply not in control of, or operating a vehicle.

Does an autonomous vehicle require a sober, designated driver?

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04/04/2016 2:22 PM

Not only that, the computer has to be "sane", i.e.-virus free. Anyone operating such a vehicle while the computer is infected could be found guilty of mansnogger.

Of course, no one requires drivers to be sane, or the entire fleet in Rio Linda would be grounded. I am not discussing L.A. (Lubbock Area). LOL

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04/04/2016 2:23 PM

"Does an autonomous vehicle require a sober, designated driver?"

And at that pint, it's no longer really 'autonomous,' is it? If you need an awake, alert, sober driver sitting behind the wheel at all times to take control in case of a problem, for all the not-relaxing the driver is doing, he might as well be driving in the first place.

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04/04/2016 2:25 PM

Would have given you an "excellent", or "most excellent" answer, but that (those) buttons have not been invented yet.

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04/02/2016 7:06 PM

Autonomous cars, if using Microsoft software, will start to slow down every fifty miles. The solution will be to pull over, close all of the [W]indows, turn off the ignition and restart. No one will think that this is unusual.

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04/04/2016 1:21 PM

And you will use a STOP button to start it and a START button to shut it down.

And at random times, it will spontaneously crash!

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04/04/2016 1:43 PM

In any UK accident the first thing the cops want is your cell phone, (not a license, or insurance or if you are hurt). The phone first, to check you were not texting at the time of the accident

So what are they going to do when the autobrain car crashes, seize the hard drive or the server or the passenger for not paying attention.

Does it automatically call the AA when the tyre is punctured?

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04/04/2016 1:48 PM

No, they call AA to see who is sponsoring the computer, and how long it has remained sober.

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04/04/2016 1:58 PM

Why would they want to call AA, Eh?

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04/04/2016 2:10 PM

Well, if they call AA Eh, that = AAA and that makes a lot more sense than nonsense. It still does not make horse sense.

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04/04/2016 2:19 PM

"AAA Eh? What's that?"

(There was this whole scene about an American in Canada with engine trouble, asking a Canadian to contact AAA. The whole AA/AAA/AA, Eh? routine went on for like three minutes solid, and stayed funny the whole time.)

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04/04/2016 2:26 PM

OMG

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04/04/2016 2:22 PM

Not Alcoholics Anonymous. Automobile Association and they have nothing to do with moving cell phones around for you.

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04/04/2016 2:27 PM

(Shhh, don't explain the joke.)

And for all this, I blame the OP for naming the thread after a famous Improv group: The Not Ready For Prime Time Players.

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04/04/2016 9:42 AM

Heck this is nothing new. In WWII, some of the pilots (Americans) in the Battle of Midway used to tie off the stick with strips of rubber from inner tubes of tires, and take a snooze in flight (presumably while on the way to battle, and flying in formation with flight lead, not in battle). My buddy that was an actual pilot of one of these Wildcats, confirmed this story to me, and also stated, "I would see one of my squadron drifting off from formation, then I would shout over the radio: 'Hey Thatch, wake up and fly!'"

These pilots lived more in fear of sharks and ditching in the ocean than of the Japanese pilots, and there was no GPS, only hard navigation. If when you became separated from your squadron during battle, once you disengaged, it was up to you to find the fleet (no more than a dot in a vast sea) even once you navigated back to visual range. This little pop-tart eaters now want the car to do everything for them. Will it wipe their dirty butts and change their diapers also? I laugh them to scorn.

Would still be just as well to bungee cord the steering wheel with speed set at a comfortable level on a good straight road.

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