Fingerprinting the Future

Yes, there are great benefits of fingerprinting for Government Corporations, Politicians, Police, Army and the like.

After that comes Iris scanning, DNA Sampling, and more intrusion into personal liberties, at every turn of life.

Such Government branding should not be for Living Souls.

Animals perhaps, Living Souls : Never, but sadly, it will all come to pass, as a means of State Control of individual Living Souls, and much sooner than most expect.....

Hi Sparky.

Such government snooping as your talking about has already started here in the UK. From 2009 it will be necessary for everyone living in the UK to carry an ID card, of course not everyone will have one by then, but this is the start date for the issue of ID cards.

On these cards will be a chip that carries all of our personal details, including our fingerprints and Iris scans! If you have ever been in court to pay a fine for speeding, that too will be recorded onto the chip. Your health details, DNA, bank details, address, date of birth and many other very personal details will all be carried on that "evil" chip.

At the moment we have one CCTV camera to every fourteen people, but this is to increase to the double by 2012 if politicians get their way! If we are arrested we have to give our DNA to the police, but if we are proved innocent of any crime our DNA is not scrubbed from the database, surely this is wrong?

As you have gathered by now, here in the UK we are living in George Orwells 1984, and it is getting worse by the day!!!

Spencer.

Seems as how y'all are a bit more advanced (if that's the right word for it...) than we are - here they're talking about a "national identification card" that from what I've heard will be similar to a driver's license. Photo, holographic insert to make harder to counterfeit, some personal (printed) data, but not chips 'n' dips. And we do have some CCTV cameras, mostly private security cams, but a lot of highway intersections are getting them to capture the tag number (and in some cases a pic of the driver) of red-light runners. Or so they tell us... George WAS a couple of decades off, wasn't he?

Hi EnviroMan.

Personally I would not say that we were more advanced, let's face it, it cannot be advanced when our governments want to spy on us, this sort of thing kills of democracy! If our governments plans do go ahead, then we will be easilly conrolled, and this is exactly what the government is planning.

Then there was the governments fiasco over the lost 25 million peoples sensitive details that were lost it the post, they were on 3 CDs. An in addition to that they have also lost the bank details of 7 million people, and the pension details of 6 million pensioners. If they can do that, just think what could happen if they lost the personal ID details of 60 million citizens or part of!

Advanced? No I don't think so.

Spencer.

Concur - that was why I hedged on the term "advanced".

There are implantable microchips for your dog that assist in getting the hound back to your address/phone number when he's lost. I've heard talk of putting them in children for the same purpose. So "they" say. Personally, I've noticed that most supposedly "lost" children are kidnap victims and if they had a chip in them, it would only aid in identifying the corpse if and when found. Seems more likely that it's to be a tracking method for the adults later. But that's just my opinion. Paranoia? Of course I'm paranoid - the real question is, am I paranoid enough?!? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean nobody's out to get you...

Several years ago Science magazine had an editorial on criminal forensics. The editors main point was that even after years of petitioning the Judicial system in the U.S. they still refused to let scientific pier review of the forensics the U.S. used.

It seems that each entity of the government has its own standards.

That any standard developed, the only pressure to improve was the jury's failure to find guilt.

This is how a Portland Oregon lawyer was arrested and detained without being able to prove his innocence because his finger print matched the one found in Spain in a terrorist attack.

Never mind he was not in Spain and other than a shared religion had no ties to any suspects.

The system has everyone so binded that fingerprints are foolproof. Not so.

The only forensics to be through the Pier review system at the time of the editorial was DNA. Which unless mapped fully only tells you who's DNA don't match, not who's does.

If you check out Article 4 courts vs. Article 3 courts it makes you wounder.

Why does the Judicial system avoid pier review? Because DNA proved that 25% of the FBI's cases where DNA was involved were wrong.

Just remember in an Article 4 court you are guilty until proven innocent, and if you don't know your rights the judge has no legal cause to inform you of them nor does your counsel. (if you knew them your counsel could be held liable for error)

Why the big security push? The only thing I can find that makes any sense is Hegelian tactics. Hope I'm wrong.

Brad

has anyone seen the documentary Zeitgeist ?

No can't say I have. What is it about?

Brad

Hello U V, Brad,

Have a look here:

http://www.americanzeitgeist.com/

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

also look here:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

There is plenty of true information around.

Kind Regards....

Thanks Sparkstaion, I scanned the Information. (one of my strengths) Very similar to my own analysis. The U.S. is heavily influenced by its third national (foreign) bank. Many events from the founding of this country are not what they seem.

From what I can find the only time U.S.A. has been free is the Sixty years that Andrew Jackson kept the foreign banks at bay. And that was at the loss of the original 13th amendment that Appearers to have disqualified Attorneys from holding public office.

The first national (foreign) bank was forced on us right after the revolutionary war. The bank financing American development stood to lose huge gains from milking the Americas. Instead they learned to skim the moneys less directly so to not incur resentment.

The Revolutionary war we only won two battles and they were the decisive ones?

The Civil war was not mainly over slavery but who controlled our banks, us or foreigners.

WWI re bankrupted the U.S. along with other issues putting us under the thumb of foreign control. From there the Hegelian tactics into the Gulf war are there if you look.

The Admiralty flag in our courts is an executive flag (executive Branch handles international treaties) from our bankruptcy. In 1988 a act was passed converting all U.S. courts to Admiralty. (Bankruptcy almost over).

The U.S. is the land of opportunity But not the land of the free.

My failure analysis of my own situation shattered any illusions me or my family had about how the system worked. Even my Appeals Attorney left Arizona over my case (he even used his own money after mine was gone).

My root cause analysis kept going farther and deeper than I had any reason to suspect. Local→State→National→World politics. Looking for a history I found so many discrepancies to what I was taught in public school, I was really shocked.

My analysis led to the conclusion that the world money brokers continue to move money to retain power over it. Life, progress, world peace are immaterial to their goal of retaining control. Who wins a war is not material as long the goals are attained to further their ends. Understanding this I can now situate my self for better outcomes in the future. Thus my moniker of follow the money.

Heck of a way to go from a classic under achiever to shattered illusions of the Disney World.

Such is Life. Now knowing the game I shall do well.

Brad

Hi U V.

According to a disturbing report today from the watchdog "Privacy International", the UK is an endemic surveillance society, on a par with Russia and China. They stated that the UK had the worlds biggest network of CCTV cameras, ID database and a lack of government accountability!

Last year I was one of the first 10,000 people to be asked by our government to answer correctly to a series of questions to be place onto the governments database. There were 53 questions, and If you did not answer all of the questions correctly we would be fined £1000 or jailed for a period of 6 months. One of the questions was about our sexual preference? I wrote, None of your business, and was promptly advised to answer the question or face the consequencies!!!

As I said before, we in the UK are living in 1984+24.

Spencer.

£1,000 to tell 'em to fold their question sheet up untill it's all corners and sharp edges, then stick it where the sun don't shine? I'll pass the hat for you! Where to send my $ or would € be more appopos?

Our gov. keeps the illusion of freedom and gets the "public" and "moral minority" to petition the gov. so they can be lazy and not handle their own business. Smoother public relations, but at least you are under no illusions.

Brad

Hello Scapolie,

When you get these forms from a Government Corporation, or "THE CROWN".

Remember in Law, must means may.

Boxes are used, so that Legal meaning may be ascertained - a box ticked or answered needs to have one side opened with white-out, twink, or similar.

Bankrupt Government Corporations take everything you give, taxes, name, information, everything you are prepared to give them, and keep coming back for more.

Now I do know, that in future days, with every day being one (1) day nearer, the folks who are alive and remain on this Planet Earth "....shall not be able to buy nor sell, unless they have the mark in the forehead or right hand...."

That mark is the Certified Mark of full ownership of slaves, and will be the individual registration of each human being.

It is all certainly going to come to pass, and nobody is able to stop it.

I don't worry about that, because I have a far better place to go, when I am released from my present confines of this protoplasmic body.

Kind Regards....

Hi Sparky.

It may seem funny to you, but it is far from funny when you are on the receiving end of this non-democratic policy!!! I am due in court next week for failing to answer correctly the question about my "Sexual preferencies ?" Here in the UK we are supposed to be protected by our human rights, ie There is no discrimination between hetrosexual or homosexual!!! But now I have to defend my right to not answer the question about my sexual preference???

My actual preference is that I am a hetrosexual (ie, I love women, and don't I just), but I will be damned if will tell our government, with me it is a point of principal. I am supposed to be a free man so long as I do not commit any crime, so why should my intimate data be logged onto our government database???

I am in a catch22 situation, I am damned if I do and I am damned if I dont! I live in the place of my birth, I obey the laws and regulations of my country, but I will not have my intimate details placed on any government database. I suppose that by this time next week it will be logged and added to our governments database that I have a criminal record.

SO BE IT.

Spencer.

Far and few are the men (and women) who will say what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. I don't know about there but a sincere religious conviction here still holds some weight but the moral minority has weakened it by misuse.

Governments are held in check by pressure from the public. An over conforming public lets the government run amok.

Brad

"Those, who refuse to learn from history, bound to repeat it."

As far as the human experience concerns, history is mostly repetition of failed ideas by rubes refusing to learn most anything.

There are common requirements for any state to exist: border integrity, immigration control, stable currency, stable commerce, (framework for) productive citizenry just to name a few. Bureaucracy consistently fails on all of them. You can argue, by design, or by its very nature, all the same. People, who have the balls to make in commerce, move there. People, who can handle some more excitement, go to the military. Same for people, who are willing to go out on the limb, and create something positive. Those are the men (even if they happen to be women). And I am proud of them.

Those, who cant, wont and shirking become bureaucrats. They violently refuse to do what would be their duty, preferring to diddle their own sheeple. The few upstanding ones I ask for forgiveness of this sweeping generalization, you know what I am talking about it here.

The trouble is with the (lack of) statesmanship in a Churchillian sense and a lack of ornery citizenry not taking guff just from anybody. The historical trail shows, that people lacking these qualities are conquered. And the ruling bureaucrats are the last to get it. Here RFID implant for every citizen was a craze for a while. On the other side of the pond Jacqui whatever her name minister to the UK government issued edict not to call violent acts by name, because "some" may get annoyed. Talking about not having balls, and not learning the first thing from history. Sarkozy on the other hand promised prompt deportation for those caught in torchings etc., and the whole excitement just stopped in its tracks.

QED.

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Fingerprinting children in EU in the name of security is a clear case of bureaucrats diddling the sheeple. Nothing more, nothing less.