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Bumping Natural Gas for Biogas

Posted May 13, 2008 8:17 AM

Natural gas prices are going through the roof. We have had it good for many years, using and misusing fuels supplies at will for countless decades. The demand for Green Building Methods is also on the rise. We can look for ways to reduce consumption, and we can search for an alternative and ecologically sound source of power for the future. Has your business studied the option of boilers and heating systems powered by alternative fuels like biogas?

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05/14/2008 12:03 AM

In early 1999 the availability of natural gas was increased ten fold because of a 70% increase in wells open. Cost actually dropped but then California's knee jerk reaction to a theoretical shortage of heating oil caused the natural gas prices to triple for unknown and unquestioned reasons. Since then the natural gas costs to consumers has doubled and increases are seemingly adjusted as oil prices skyrocket.

Natural gas supply is completely independent of heating oil or off shore crude oil and so shouldn't be tied to oil at all.

Natural gas price increases are due to insipid criminal greed.

Lack of oversight by the supposed protection agencies is criminal negligence and ignorance of the consumer.

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05/14/2008 1:12 AM

Would you mind disclosing the source of your information bwire?

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05/14/2008 1:17 AM

Concerning availability? Production independence from that of oil? Or lack of credible reason for increases?

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05/14/2008 1:50 AM

All of the above, please.

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05/17/2008 4:04 AM

Being in the mix I suppose...

California's knee jerk reaction to a theoretical shortage of heating oil did not cause natural gas prices to increase greed did. How would and increase/shortage of heating cause natural gas price to increase?

How do you quantify a shortage if lack of supply is not evident? Why would a oil price increase effect a commodity which does not rely on truck or train transport but upon pipeline flow?

As of 05/05/2008 if you live in OK the PSO will chg residential customers and additional $17.50 per/mo to recover the increase of natural gas costs to power (PSO's) electic generating which the consumer will extra on their electric bill also.

www.naturalgas.org/overview/resources.asp you will find this and subsequent links very interesting.

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05/17/2008 4:26 AM

Thanks. Good read.

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05/14/2008 12:04 AM

Oops! I forgot Natural gas is bio-gas=methane.

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05/31/2008 12:46 PM

Waooohh! Give me a Break! $o then $eing like no way out apparently. How come ? Anyway how about LP Gas then ? Or otherwise then we'll be busy designing some type of modification within the fuel system to keep our cars and (econo) moving then ? I guess, NO ? In my opinion is will be some how like always as who ever may afford to go green for real will do that and who ever can't have to go bike and bus eventually. Back to number one, give me a break. To break even everyone should have a piece of the green pie at once so that way it doesn't create a perpetual un-balancing economical effects, I believe. So it may happen then like with everything else in history before with any other gadgets that came to existency in history. Some may afforded and others didn't. WYSIWYG will not apply is that the case as by history told us before when something new like that arrive not everyone may afforded that is why is like a "same dog with different collar" thing by the time it will reach if it does some reasonable amount of the population the lagging effect will already had deteriored the main concept, I don't know again, never mine. Let's wait for the best outcome from this all.

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05/31/2008 1:33 PM

Hi Magwer,

I say this as one who has resided in the bottom third of the socio-economic ladder most of my life. The ladder will always be there. There have been times in history where men have tried, by various means, to bring equality. There are many reasons why it doesn't, won't and cant work. Just look to the animal kingdom for examples. It is always the strongest and smartest who rise to the top, usually on the backs of those with lesser strength and smarts.

But we are not animals, you say. We have a higher calling. Maybe some of us, but the vast majority exist in the animal kingdom and live by animal kingdom rules.

That said, there are some advantages to being the last to obtain 'the good stuff'. It has usually been well tested by the upper classes (who, by the way, paid full price for it).

If there were not the divisions there would not be the striving. If there were not the striving there would be no progress, only stagnation. It is, therefore, the very divisions we detest that move us forward. A rising tide lifts ALL boats. What is good for those at the top is good for those at the bottom.

It is possible, I believe, to find contentment in whatever state you find yourself. It just takes a change of mind.

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06/02/2008 12:15 AM

Read this then understand how Enron is still causing problems with engery supply even today. The fix was put in 7 years ago and they have been busy.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/07/17/how_traders_gamble_with_your_energy_dollars/

Then here is the affect of that loophole.

http://www.rsi-ireland.com/documents/DarkPoolsVol2.pdf

It is an attempt to Privatize the Worlds Futures Markets.

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09/02/2008 10:33 AM

Reducing consumption is a great plan but we also need to tap the additional natural gas resources in our country. there is a lot more available than most people realize. If we do that then we are much further away from running out than it is currently portrayed.

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09/05/2008 1:32 PM

Yeah! It really doesn't make much sense that Gas have to go up with oil, Why? Anyhow is like a 'Can't Win Situation' overall. I Guess! Good Post All. My hope are that if oil keep going down and stay like that for at least 5 years then we'll be in some better shape to re-build this economy and stand-up in business as usual 10 years ago, I believe. I don't know let's see with what else they come around then. Hang in there for the moment!

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