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What Issues for Renewable Energy?

Posted July 28, 2008 8:20 AM

Many articles have recently surfaced regarding the noise generated by wind turbines. Is this just a passing phenomenon as we adjust to a new technology? When the first automobile hit the streets in 1903, it was greeted with plenty of scowls and negative reviews about its noise. Today we live next to roaring highways with little complaint, so why are wind turbines too noisy? How would you deal with the vibration and noise issues of wind turbines?

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07/28/2008 12:05 PM

I don't believe wind turbines are too noisey.

How would you deal with the vibration and noise issues of wind turbines?

I wouldn't live inside one...or attach one to my house.
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07/28/2008 3:49 PM

Anyone who thinks wind turbines are too noisey must have never done their own dishes or laundry. my washer and dryer cause more of a disturbance. There are 500 turbines within 15 miles on either side of me, i drive by them every day, sit out at night and camp under them. I have more annoying ceiling fans.

Vibration would be nearly impossible to damp'n on Turbines, most of the noise comes from the 3 blades slicing through the air, unless the conspiracy theories are true and there really are blackhawk helicopters that dont make any noise... You cant reduce air friction on such a large scale.

There are thousands of tons of concrete under each turbine to keep them from falling over, vibration is inevitable with the amount of force involved.

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07/28/2008 11:54 PM

Old technology is to blame for that myth. Bad wing tip aerodynamics and heavy material (wood) made for an awful noisy machine "back in the day." Lighter composite material and better airfoil designs now make even small rotors...whiiiissssper. In fact, sometimes the wind itself generates more noise than the quiet swish of the blades. When confronted with questions like this one, I always suggest a visit to the nearest wind farm, or to see (and listen) to one the little 1000w machines I have put on display at our local builder's exchange.

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07/29/2008 2:33 AM

little 1000w machines I have put on display at our local builder's exchange.

I'll bet there isn't a huge pile of dead birds under it either!

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07/29/2008 3:21 AM

There has been one confirmed bug kill.

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07/29/2008 3:27 AM

A few years ago, down here in the land of Oz, a conservative Government minister denied planning approval for a 52 turbine wind farm because a rare orange bellied parrot may have been killed every year.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/04/05/1143916574751.html

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07/29/2008 3:19 PM

a guy in a group I belong to proposed a new unit called the millicat. This unit would be used to measure the damage that a wind turbine does. In thousants of the damage that a cat does! The average domestic housecat kills a lot of birds per year, (as do clean windows when you think about it). Anyway, I do not remember the numbers but it was something like 30 to 80 milicats for the windmills that he researched. I haven't been near a windmill in years. In holland when i worked there I used to cycle around and under the turbines to try to hear that "hum". I guess my ears must be bad.

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07/29/2008 6:04 PM

Yeah ...the clean widows work a treat..I got a nice Collar Dove a while back...it left a nice greasey impression on the widow with the oil off it's feathers...you could see exactly how it's neck broke on impact. Very tasty it was too...my hoomans wus out at the time so I got to eat it all up my myself...good kitty., but they saw the pile of feathers ... well I can't work a vacuum cleaner...
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07/29/2008 7:35 AM

I have no problems with wind turbines but I wonder about the unintended consequences. What will the presence of large wind turbine farms do to the prevailing winds in the region where they ars sited? Will they interrupt the weather patterns and cause other weather related problems? Has anyone looked at this?

It has already been documented that birds are killed by the blades.

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07/29/2008 9:53 AM

Winds are driven by the Temperature difference between poles and equator coupled with the Earth's rotation...the winds near the ground are a tiny and insignificant proportion of the moving air masses. The Jet Streams high in the atmospher are significant, if we took energy from those it might cause problems.

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08/11/2008 12:01 AM

If every one will power 20 houses, why not build them 1/20th the size and let homeowners decide if they'd rather be vibrated or pay an electric bill? Lots of farms in the early 20th century had wind power for pumping water and making electricity. I stood under one while it was working and don't remember feeling any vibration. Bigger is not always better. Bigger requires bigger tools and puts more money in the banker's pocket via interest on the construction loan.

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