The Engineer's Notebook Blog

The Engineer's Notebook

The Engineer's Notebook is a shared blog for entries that don't fit into a specific CR4 blog. Topics may range from grammar to physics and could be research or or an individual's thoughts - like you'd jot down in a well-used notebook.

Previous in Blog: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 1)   Next in Blog: India’s Yellow Brick Road?
Close
Close
Close
31 comments
Rate Comments: Nested

Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

Posted October 02, 2008 1:35 PM by Steve Melito

"There are worse crimes than burning books," wrote the poet Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky. "One of them is not reading them". In honor of Banned Books Week, an annual event co-sponsored by the American Library Association (ALA), The Y Files is profiling three works of science and science fiction that have aroused the ire of censors past and present. Yesterday, we examined the Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems by Galileo Gallilei. Today, we begin with a book that still stokes the flames of America's "culture wars". We end with the tale of a monster.

On The Origin of Species (Charles Darwin)

Published in 1859, Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species is a seminal study in evolutionary biology and one of the most important (and controversial) scientific works ever written. An English naturalist, Darwin argued that species evolve from common ancestors through a process called natural section. Darwin also described processes such as variation, the struggle for existence, and survival of the fittest. Ironically, the word "evolution" never appeared in the first edition of On the Origin of Species, a book whose title was later changed to, simply, The Origin of Species.

Once educated as an Anglican clergyman, Darwin later referred to himself as "the Devil's Chaplain". Although Origin avoided any discussion about the lineage of homo sapiens, critics claimed that his work contradicted the Biblical story of creation in the Book of Genesis. First, Darwin's book was banned from the library at Trinity College, where the naturalist had been a student. Later, during the twentieth century, the battle crossed the Atlantic and centered upon John Scopes, a high school teacher in Tennessee who had violated the Butler Act, a state law that prohibited teaching "any theory that denies the story of the Divine Creation of Man as taught in the Bible".

Frankenstein (Mary Shelley)

Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus was written in 1816 by 19-year old Mary Shelley, daughter of British feminist Mary Wollstonecraft and husband of Romantic poet Percy Bysshe Shelley. Frankenstein, as Mary Shelley's book is more commonly known, was published anonymously in 1818, but re-published under the author's name in 1831. Arguably the first science fiction novel, Frankenstein is the fictional story of a humanoid "fiend" or "demon" created by Victor Frankenstein, an alchemy-enamored chemist. His monstrous creation, stitched together from human corpses, kills several of Frankenstein's family members and friends before being marooned in the Arctic.

In the 1955, the New York Times reported that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein had been banned in South Africa as "indecent, objectionable, or obscene." The apartheid regime also banned Anna Sewell's Black Beauty, a story not about a human being – but about a horse.

Editor's Note: Click here for Part 1 of this two-part series.

Resources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Species

http://www.freedomtoread.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/bannings_and_burnings.pdf

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/darwin.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Frankenstein

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Defreestville, NY
Posts: 1072
Good Answers: 87
#1

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/02/2008 2:46 PM

Thanks for that last link Moose, now I have a reading list for the long Northeast winter.

__________________
Charlie don't surf.
Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - Organizer Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2969
Good Answers: 33
#3
In reply to #1

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 8:45 AM

You're most welcome, stevem. One of the banned books I didn't profile (mainly because it's arguably more of a dystopian piece than a work of science fiction) was Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. I've been meaning to re-read Huxley's book for a while now, but need to find/make the time. The onset of winter - and knowing that the book was banned - may offer some help in that department.

Enjoy your winter reading!

Moose

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 153
Good Answers: 3
#6
In reply to #3

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 10:07 AM

boy did you open the worm cans with this post.

i bet the conspiracy theorists are going to real wind up along the reliious right left and inbetweens when they read about how the gasp freemasons fought the devil in the form of the illuminati. the interesting thing though is how much has actually been put into print about a neat guy named royal rief(sic?) but for some reason his books while they don't seem banned by any government as a direct order have all but disappeared. could it be that his "curing " machine actually works?

'da ber

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 12:20 PM

But But But:

Conspiracy theories are great things to check out. We have very different levels of belief systems that are the mainstay of our present civilization. One of them being that we are promoting Democracy in the world, a real cute theory that one. Then our leaders do not have foreign interests. I will not go into the religious realm, that is one real piece of work.

All of those things have roots in reality, it would seem the investigation of Propaganda is not looked upon favorably in this forum. I did some research and found incomplete threads on the subject.

Just Perhaps: If we were to investigate Propaganda clearly and with no judgmental conclusions we can easily put some of them to bed?

Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - Organizer Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2969
Good Answers: 33
#10
In reply to #8

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 3:42 PM

I'll admit it. I enjoy reading about conspiracy theories as much as the next guy. Heck, how could anyone watch American TV during the 1990s without checking out at least one episode of the X-Files?

My problem with conspiracy theories (at least the modern-day ones) is that they make the government look more competent than it really is. The CIA missed the fall of the Soviet Union and, more recently, 9/11. Those were major failings. Then again, some would argue that such mistakes were intentional. It's hard to argue against logic like that, of course, but I'll end as I began. Conspiracy theories can be interesting.

P.S. Have you ever read my interview called The Engineer Who Knew Lee Harvey Oswald? That one stirred a pretty lively debate.

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#13
In reply to #10

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 4:17 PM

Mr. Moose:

Thank you for sharing that one. I do admit theories make the bad guys look competent, but they use the theory keep doing the thing (Bad thing by our standards) with enough people they will either get it right or get lucky. Or just possibly the target will get tired.

So do you think that this could be fun??? I got shouted down and almost censored by mentioning 9/11in the wrong light. Since then there are more sources with some very good arguments that make that can of worms a possible conspiracy re visited for the fun of it subject. ( got some more Architercture data that fits in the pattern of that being one very stout building )

What do you think???

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 153
Good Answers: 3
#20
In reply to #10

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 9:48 PM

a few years back there was a t.v. show put on in canada with the moderator being a ex coroner for some city a program i rarely had been able to get the shogun to tune into was often a eyeopener.

anyhoo the one that i saw was on the kennedy assaination another on the trials of a merchant marine captain as he lived his life onthe south china seas during the 50 through to the 70's. so where does story this go? it follows the path of a single bullet.

apparently the t.v. station had been set to ar the program as it was until a canadian military pathologist arrived on the scene. the stations security systems suddenly went into overdrive. instead of the usual reporters taking notes to the side of the mike booms out of nowhere a guy with two 9 slug riot guns was facing the studio on the right was another guy with what looked like a slimmed down .50 complete with belt packs. never forgot that but what the doctor siad to the coroner who was also a practicing m.d. still has me wondering about who was nuttier me for watchuing the segment or the doctor who was commenting on kennedy's autopsy.

the doctor raised some interesting questions but as i said this may be pure dingbat anyhoo he found the single slug tha was supposed to have killed kennedy made a interesting trip as it ended up where the medic who autopsy claimed it exited.

the slug travelled through connoly first went straight down to his gut came out made a u turn went through the armour plated of the seat into kennedy's gut up to the top of his skull and into the brain. incredible as that was when the medic did the autopsy the bullet was claimed to have shaken itself out of the forehead and rolled onto the morgue floor, all this with it still being able to be positively i.d.'d as a manlicher carcano slug from oswalds rifle. anyone ever fired a carcano and did not hit maggies drawers at 300 yards even with a scope try doing that without one.

'da ber

p.s. this will not be p.c. but the merchant marine captain stopped sailing when he made his one and only trip to south vietnam, he was more afraid of thearvin than the viet cong. he knew what the viet cong could and would do he never had a clue or anyway of getting any ideas about what the arvin planned to do with the cargoes he carried.

Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - Organizer Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2969
Good Answers: 33
#12
In reply to #6

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 3:46 PM

Those worms haven't made anyone squirm too much yet, but it's still early in this blog entry's life! I Goggled Royal Rief and didn't get anything, so I tried Royal Rife. How'd you hear about him?

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 153
Good Answers: 3
#22
In reply to #12

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 10:24 PM

not surprising you couldn't find anything about royal reif much of his equipment disappeared in the early 1900's. there is a oldtimer up in hamilton canada who has been making these machines along the same lines as reif did. the man has far more data and proof what the system does than i can pass on to you.one thing about it though he will not come out and say that machines cure anything but it seems odd that the devices have been shown to break the strength of many forms of viruses, he claims that when he had something called shingles ( other than the roof type with which i am quite familiar) they were for the want of a better word / phrase no match for what royal reif proved. his doctor claims that there is no way what was done to get rid of the things could be done by using this machine. i think it works along the lines of the french sound cannon which the marines are doing a update on over in the mojave it is used to create a field equal to a sound sympathy of many virus based disorders to destroy them

if you want i will try and contact the old fellow for you. can't say if he will reply he has been putting one of them together over the past month or so.

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 153
Good Answers: 3
#24
In reply to #12

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 11:09 PM

hello mr. moose,

i have yet to have any luck using google as a searching engine for what i want is use the search engine "dogpile" like my swissie it eats anything i put in front of it (yes i still have all my fingers). if you put the name royal raymond rife in the search bar you will coe up with a whole s.l. of info on the south dakota doctor.

there is the first ad for the debunk for a buck so if you want to loose one go that route. the second, third and the british references all tie into what the old guy in hamilton canada is sqaying and actually claims to be doing. somehow he has got his hands on a manual of frequencies that system works(?) on, the earlier mentioned shingles are i read a form of skin virus that can hit you like freight train and leave you flat on you back for weeks in total agony. hope i never get them / it?

hope this gives you something to look at and as you do that research on the man his ideas and his system stand to and consider who stood / stands to loose the most if the nutbars system actually works as well as the old guy claims it does.

'da ber

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 5356
Good Answers: 50
#2

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 12:41 AM

Moose,

If you dig a little further, you'll find all sorts of interesting information... For instance, regarding the Scopes trial - this was a show for real! It turns out that the town in which the trial occurred was looking for something to put it on the map. They decided that the trial of "evolution" was the hottest topic of the time and would do the trick. John Scopes was actually asked if he would "act" as the proponent for evolution. He agreed, knowing that he whole thing was designed by the Chamber of Commerce. It gets better from there. You might try looking around NPR web sites.

As for Frankenstein, there are many other novels that can claim the title of first science fiction story. Furthermore, Mary Shelly was obsessed with the down-and-dirty facts of bloody (and in her time), dangerous human child birth. Also, she was as haunted by the concept of the responsibility that one has thrust upon them by the act of giving birth to an individual that might choose evil over good. Effectively, any woman could be a potential Victor Frankenstein in her mind!

Additionally, Frankenstein's monster did not flee to the arctic, but was intentionally marooned there.

__________________
"Perplexity is the beginning of dementia" - Professor Coriolus
Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - Organizer Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2969
Good Answers: 33
#5
In reply to #2

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 8:52 AM

Thanks for the comment and correction, vermin. I've updated my story to indicate that Frankenstein's monster was intentionally marooned there. It's been many years since I read Frankenstein (I think I was in the fourth grade), but do remember reading it at the same time as an H.G. Wells book called Food of the Gods. Have you read that one, by chance? It was a pretty good read.

Moose

Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Aerospace Engineering - Member United States - Member - Army Vet in the aviation industry

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bridgewater, Va.
Posts: 2175
Good Answers: 119
#4

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 8:51 AM

Another thank you for that last link.

More freebies for this wannabe anarchist to load onto his newly acquired Kindle.

Hooker

Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - Organizer Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2969
Good Answers: 33
#11
In reply to #4

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 3:44 PM

You're welcome, Hooker. Interesting that two of the Thomas Paine books that were banned are The Rights of Man and The Age of Reason. Enjoy your Kindle.

Reply
Power-User
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - BSME Clarkson University 1992 Engineering Fields - Software Engineering - BSME Clarkson University 1992 Fans of Old Computers - TRS-80 - DataRock 1.0

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Troy, NY
Posts: 388
Good Answers: 3
#7

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 12:09 PM

Hi Moose - Your piece makes me think about Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451", and the firemen characters who did the "good" work of keeping society safe by burning books. Always loved those novels written on a couple of levels. Thanks for reminding me with your piece to continue seeking out good books to read and practice my freedom to do so. Just to share, my current read, for the political season, is "Yellow" by Howard University professor Frank Wu. - Larry

Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - Organizer Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Nuclear Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2969
Good Answers: 33
#9
In reply to #7

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 3:29 PM

You're welcome, Larry. One of the web sites I list above is called "The Forbidden Library". Here's a quote you might appreciate.

"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings."
-- Heinrich Heine

Reply
Guru
United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gone to Alabama with my banjo on my knee...
Posts: 5595
Good Answers: 20
#14

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 4:36 PM

Books aren't the only target of banning - check out...

http://www.harryhepcat.com/history2.htm

__________________
Veni, vidi, video - I came, I saw, I got it on film.
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Holeincanoe Ontario
Posts: 2169
Good Answers: 27
#15

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 6:07 PM

Banning a book is becoming more prevalent. In Canada it was a simple matter for anyone to phone the police and submit a complaint about any book that happened to be perceived as offensive for any reason whatsoever....and this usually from persons that had never read it (or were unable to).

Libraries soon became the target of snap happy cops looking for carreer brownie points in the interests of community morals. In my community JD Salingers 'Catcher in the Rye' has been targetted countless times....and always by a group claiming to have some religious god given right.

Our village library has now taken the tactic whereby any authority that wishes a book banned needs to have a superior court order for any book to be pulled from the shelves. Since adopting that tactic...........none have.

As long as there are self serving moralists with a mandate to dictate moral terms Brave New World remains as the immediate now.

__________________
Prophet Freddy has the answer!
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#16
In reply to #15

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 7:13 PM

Mr. Duck

If our last discussion is any point about folks leaning that way, folks from the religious right are assuming the mantel and right & responsibilities.

Is that action next to the dark ages revisited? Its gonna be dangerous everywhere if those folks solidify full control. Will need to go overseas till the revolution:

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Holeincanoe Ontario
Posts: 2169
Good Answers: 27
#17
In reply to #16

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 7:42 PM

Greetings DBDwoods

Most unfortunate turn with that last discussion. Point well made (and taken) on your part.

And yes.....it would seem the 'rapture' is gaining ground on many fronts. One can only hope there are those sane men who are capable of turning it off before it claims more casualties. One would think that in this day and age that medieval thought process would have evolved into a more compassionate form. From where I stand it has not.

Quite frankly, it is terrifying.

__________________
Prophet Freddy has the answer!
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#18
In reply to #17

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 8:31 PM

Yeh:

When you here one of those say, he/they are working from a "Higher Order" they are assuming an unlimited license. Umm seems casualities are falling all around us, unless I am mistaken???

Scares the daylights outta me also. But we can all find within us a remarkable power, there is no one that is not the match for another. Just need to focus and believe in ourselves as equal to them. They have been using North Korea and China as learning grounds.

Betcha what is cooked up is going to be real unpleasent.

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Holeincanoe Ontario
Posts: 2169
Good Answers: 27
#19
In reply to #18

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 9:14 PM

They made the mistake of targeting my kids under the auspice of inviting them to a birthday party. In fact it was an indoctrination that seriously, though temporarily, traumatized the kids. I later learned these birthday parties were a weekly event that had been going on for years. Fortunately my wife and I had smart proofed the kids into a solid family unit.

This sect has since crawled back under the rock they came from. Last I heard they were conducting funerals for the souls of those bound for hell....in other words...they have a list.

__________________
Prophet Freddy has the answer!
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 153
Good Answers: 3
#21
In reply to #17

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 10:00 PM

the rapture?

is this another religion that is going to save me from myself?

so far this is the only mention i have seen of this group so if you are able to pass on some info about it and its' philosphy i will appreciate that.

thanks

'da ber

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Holeincanoe Ontario
Posts: 2169
Good Answers: 27
#23
In reply to #21

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 10:55 PM

It's not really a religion.

The 'rapture' is the end of the world. Certain sects believe that it is they who will inherit the kingdom of God after all the false religions have destroyed themselves in the conflagration of Armageddon. It is the mandate of fundamentalist Christians. It is not an underground movement and adherants are from many and varied denominations.

It's a made up thing with no Biblical or historical basis in anything other than the deceivers bilking the suckers for all they're worth.

__________________
Prophet Freddy has the answer!
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#25
In reply to #23

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/03/2008 11:25 PM

But there are some bright wide smiling faces:

I do hate, really hate to compare one set against another but all if not most "True Believer" sects have front line soldiers who are bright eyed, friendly, engaging, easy speaking and easy listening.

Back several years ago when things were starting to get hot in my neighborhood when you held a prayer of any kind, one or two would come running and ask it you wanted to go to heaven. Dun-Know about wanting to go at least not now, having two much fun in the here and now.

So to finally stop the invasions I said I just did not want to go. I kept getting the feeling that if I got my self saved real proper, heaven was just around the corner.

So possibly dammed by some group, but quite happy in the here and now.

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Holeincanoe Ontario
Posts: 2169
Good Answers: 27
#26
In reply to #25

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/04/2008 7:32 AM

Aren't they the most wholesome corn fed mouth breathing examples of the perfect human you've ever met though!

I love the literature with the nice pictures. Gets me all biblibubbly inside to know why my God is white and theirs ain't.....

__________________
Prophet Freddy has the answer!
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#27
In reply to #26

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/04/2008 1:56 PM

Had some time to think since then:

Its already Lost, according to the Congress watchers out there the tide has turned. Some very heavy new blurbs on Youtube are stating that Congress has been told that the NewWorldOrder is poised out there and all is ready to make their dream come true.

So we gotta knuckle down and see how the people processing goes. I think I figured out how the right wing guys got mixed up in the new world order stuff. If you look at the patterns of human behavior, killing lots of folks to leave just a few is kind of like the rapture thing. Most folks folks die, the world is left wide open for new exploitation by a few lucky ones. It parallels heaven a bit I think. So they probably joined forces. What I just do not get is the Dark Age's human classes thing. Since that old bad age human science has advanced so much. It has to be showing that the very least among us has the roots of capabilities that the very greatest of us do. Belief patterns and opportunity are the only human boundaries that can be called real.

Must be time to dust off the good book again, don't recollect people being given that particular license, do you?

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Holeincanoe Ontario
Posts: 2169
Good Answers: 27
#28
In reply to #27

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/04/2008 2:52 PM

don't recollect people being given that particular license, do you?

I think that the relationship between prophecy and profitee these days is a boundary that remains indistinguishable from an induced psychosis....so yep......probably anything in the good book can be translated to fit a specific 'gullibility' angle.

In my very small book the choice to do good is more a measure of character as opposed to discovering those passages that give rise to anger and fear. Given those parametres I naively hold out with the word 'good'. No doubt there are those who would question my motives for doing so. So, if they were to accuse me that I put my faith into science to do good...........they'd be correct!....and if by some convoluted manner I was accused of having no faith in a blind belief system....they'd be dead on!

I ramble on.............

__________________
Prophet Freddy has the answer!
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 153
Good Answers: 3
#29
In reply to #27

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/04/2008 3:08 PM

wow going from rapture to a neworld order in one week what a rush!

having died three times i have yet to experience the rapture that manyof those purveyours of the wonderous sensations i expected to enjoy is a bit of a disappointment, for some reason each and everyone of those right center left field religions proponents blamed me for (a) not experiencing the wonders described in their books of knowledge (b) not recalling my experiences the experiences they told me i was supposed to experience each time ( that only happened twice but they wont accept that) and (c) not dying.

as for the neworld order it is by my view pretty well impossible to read something as recent as paradise lost and not realize the neworldorder exists with each generation that the world sees. individually or collectively the congresses of the worlds nations have never nor ever will be able to detrmine who exactly "they" or "them"

have been throughout the existence of the world or how the neworldorder as it passes from stage to stage effects change on individuals within thier constituencies nor does it seem the persons acting as representatives of the about to be changed by command? influence or whatever by the "heads" of those neworldorders reallycare about nayone but themselves. in my view this is called influence by indifference.

'da ber

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 381
Good Answers: 1
#30
In reply to #29

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

10/04/2008 3:32 PM

Mr barfnagler:

Banned books are symtomatic of deeper control issues. Some group or other wants to control how you think. In their "greater wisdom" if you are not exposed to the knowlege you wont profit from it. The rapture folks and the newworldorder folks are working to make the world fit for their surviving elete peoples (different end qualification criteria - but with a definitive ruling group in charge as the end result). Since the ruling class of people must have another class of people to rule it complicates things for the rest uf us just possibly not figured into the ruling class.

Since I have no worldly wealth to note, and not a founding member of some sort of 700 club, I just figure I am not the group membership, group joining type.

How do we determine if any of that YouTube junk is real???

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4448
Good Answers: 143
#31

Re: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 2)

11/11/2008 7:39 PM

Moose,

Thanks for the links. Seeing a book banned draws me to it like an "R" rated movie did when I was a hormone-challenged teenager. Interestingly enough, when I was a kid, Huck Finn was widely banned, yet a Methodist missionary snuck me a copy.

I know you folks up north are more enlightened. Here in PA we just had a case of banning (well actually, they just wanted an insert glued in saying the book was not factual) Origin of Species.

__________________
"Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd
Reply
Reply to Blog Entry 31 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

april05 (1); barfnagler (6); dbdwoods (7); Duckinthepond (6); EnviroMan (1); Hooker (1); Steve Melito (6); stevem (1); TVP45 (1); vermin (1)

Previous in Blog: Celebrate Banned Books Week (Part 1)   Next in Blog: India’s Yellow Brick Road?
You might be interested in: Technical Book Publishers , Reticles, Conveyor Chain

Advertisement