A Chance for Change

Lets go all the way. Bring all technology to bear and change civilization as we know it to free man of labor and allow us to seek knowlege instead of feeding the monatry systems that feed wars.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

True active Engineering.

knowledge arrives in style when fueled by sweat and personal experience

Seeking knowledge does not require the we atrophy

Thank you for the site, the information could be unsettling to many but the potential is awesome even when not considering the direction

GA

The direction. Total Free Will. Yeah, scary to many.

I don't know about that site - much of what this guy is promulgating sounds nice, but is completely unrelated to human nature and experience. Yeah, it sounds nice to do away with money and run civilization on a "resource based economy", but as soon as I read the sentance, "all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude." I thought this guy was nuts. Humans desire reward for labor. They tried socialism in many places and it simply does not work. Some people will ALWAYS want power of some type, and will use any means necessary to get it.

Who determines what resources are allocated for what ends? This nutball Fresco?

I have nothing against utopian thought, or 'outside the box' ideas, but at least ground them in some type of rational, logical basis.

And the guy wants me to buy four autographed pictures of his concrete dome for a hundred bucks?... I think he should just send me his 'goods' without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt, don't you?....

Human behavior is learned from the enviorent we live in. Changing the enviorment that others have decided is the way we should live will not be easy. We demand kids learn how to share at an eary age but we expect them to become selfish as the age and we wornder why kids are all screwed up !

I concur in a general sense and the Utopian appeal sounds of a similar spiel from a couple of fellas named Vladimir Lenin & Joseph Stalin

Nothing worth while is ever easy is it ?

Actually I Believe it is easy both to achieve and to be corrupted by the power of the exchange.

I can't envision this program's manifestation without Jesus Christ being the head of it.

I agree. Would we not closer to him if we got rid of the rules placed on Humans by outside forces who wish to only gain wealth from other humans existence. A resource based Economy will happen either planned or by force one day.

A Linear System like Consumerism on a Finite Planet is a losing game for the human race no matter how you gage it.

Some of us are just dreamers I guess. Instead of thinking Marx's we are think STAR TREK.

Where our whole society works toward the service and care of other human beings and the natural world. We know there will be hard time to change things but we think all the heartache and the hardship to get there would be worth it.

I would rather be a salve by consent instead of one enslaved by debt.

Bravo!

If America is going to challenge the up-coming technological societies, it will have to address the primary concern of our world: How do we overcome the the oil dependency of modern civilization? Introducing new techniques that utilize wind, water, gravity, waste utilization, or other unimagined sources of energy that will wean us from our dependency on fossil fuels is the only way to forge a new future for our country.

In 1989 the U.S. Department of Engery Admitted we have the Technology and that if we harness the wind power in just 3 states we can produce 2 mega jewels of Electric Power per year. The USA uses only 0.5 a Mega Jewel of Electric power today per year.

The problem is the power grid that is set up for the use of fossil fuels and the companys that have Montary interest in preventing the use of Wind Power.

Advice:Identify Small and Medium enterprises that have unrealised innovations, boost their activities and fund the realisation of innovations and inventions.This will also lead to generation of massive employment as these SMEs start growing into large industries.

America has always thrived on RE-INVENTING itself.More than 70% of world's economies are dependent on the drive provided by US consumers and industries.America must not fail-FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION for the U.S.A.

D.Ramakrishna Naidu

Real change – really easy.

A lot of people nowadays talk about renewable energy and the need of government funds and programs. They all miss something. In tough times like today's economy crisis no one wants to invest money without return, even the government. People want government to take care of the energy producing, but the truth is that government does not care. People should be motivated to produce their own energy; they should have opportunity for their initiative.

The idea is very simple- the only thing we need is government warranties for the next 20 years that electrical companies will pay for electricity from renewable sources higher price than they sell the electricity. How could it happen and where this money will come from?

Let's say for example now electrical companies sell electric power for $0.15/kW. If they buy it for $0.35-0.40/kW there will be a lot of people out there that will install their own solar or wind energy sources. If the electrical companies increase price from $0.15/kW to $0.20/kW there will be enough money to cover the difference, until energy from renewable sources reach 30% of all produced energy. People that do not produce their own energy will pay higher price. This is the sacrifice each of us have to pay, but it is worth. We will pay higher price any way in a year or two because the price of the standard energy resources goes up. The price for solar energy will go down. The exact numbers required better analysis, but it is just a matter of calculation.

In this exact moment this will be a very serious boost for the economy, a new field for producing, installing and investing. At the very beginning electrical companies will have more money from increasing the price of the electricity, and they have to commit to install new meters that work both ways free of charge for the customers. They can even pay partially or in full for the DC/AC invertors in the houses. Electrical companies will save money also, because energy will be produced close to the users. They do not have to build new power stations, high voltage lines and transformers.

Now we are getting about 20% from nuclear power stations. We need years to build new.

If people will be given opportunity to produce their own energy in few years we are not going to need new power stations. The main thing is that there is no need for huge investments from the government or other organizations and the other thing – this system is proven and it works in Germany. So, if they can, why don't we?

Jimmy Stoykov

Philadelphia

09/27/08

Dstoykov_sf@yahoo.com

Many including me and my neighbors are being influenced to wait a short while so $/per watt is reduced. Though we're getting weary and may squander a few $'s to get off the grid any way we can soon.

Good morning Prez. To boost American industry, and indirectly others that depend on it, we've got to make the American business environment so appealing, they won't want to leave. We've got one of the highest corporate tax structures in the world. Keep the corporate taxes appealing, and you've got half the problem solved. Why do you think corporations are leaving California in droves?

The other half of the problem is labor costs. When the Detroit auto makers have to pay $45/hour vs. asia's $15/hour, who do you think's going to win? Therefore, you've got to keep the privacy of the employee to vote; just like voting in a national election, nobody knows how you vote.

Solve these two problems, and you're almost home. The other problem is energy. You don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry trying to install ugly, noisy, dangerous windmills on their houses; and you don't want windmills all over the place in Tennessee, Kentucky, and Missouri. Release off-shore drilling, without any impediments, like having to get approvals from groups like the ACLU; so that we may obtain our OWN oil, instead of foreign nations angle drilling from the Cuban coast stealing our oil. You'll see an immediate jump in American employment.

Lastly, start building nuclear power plants now. France obtains over 70% of its energy this way, why not us?

Leave the corn for people to eat.

Hello John. Is that you?

I WANT WIND MILLS.

The problem stems from our knowledge loop.

Industry has its motivations/biasness and the government has it's own agenda. Who loses? The student.

It is not in industries or the governments short term interest to produce optimal students of virtue. Corruption, politics and greed would be actively corrected (unless that was their goal).

Those in power don't want change because they may lose power.

To boost the World industry from America is to lead the industries of the world in a positive and productive manner. As the leaders so the people. What type of example do we set. Not the moral high ground. We do have the ability but will we do it?

Brad

Eliminate central banks (the fed, IMF, bank of canada, bank of england, etc) and eliminate compound interest. Put something real in as a basis for the currency, and tie it to the GNP. Allow private capital pool formation, and you will have the strong economy back. These banking and currency mechanisms have robbed us all of economic strength, and ONLY the removal of these parasites will return our economies to health.

Hello chrissq228,

He who controls the money makes the rules. Don't expect them to leave willingly.

Brad

Get rid of patents that allow holders to suppress technology. Use it or lose it.

ChazL

Pack government with engineers, ban professional politicians like the 2 morons we have to choose between just now for president, ban professional congressmen, ban professional lobbyists, use OCR in lottery machines so the public can vote on issues.

We did in the original 13th amendment in 1811. It seems to even have been ratified and adopted by the states that ratified it. The war of 1812 happened and after that the US government seems to have ignored it into non existence.

Some think that it is the reason for the war of 1812. Stating the BAR stands for the British Accreditation Regency, but I can find no evidence of that. There are some oddities of the war of 1812 that do make you wonder. Like why did they target government libraries and leave with all their weapons etc. if we won?

Brad

Like why did they target government libraries and leave with all their weapons etc. if we won?

A matter of honor from a position of strength or like saying 'we don't hate you as you are our own kin but we won't tolerate you pushing us around'

How could we have later colluded as trade partners otherwise?

Without friends a tiny little nation would be prey for any monolith lumbering about or our sailors were captured as slaves by the Musselman for instance when we lost the protection of the British.

And the plot thickens far beyond the thread objective I think...

Too True

We have tried the system of choosing leaders and it doesn't work because we are only ever offered a choice between 2 unknowns, and, as is exemplified by the present case, they are usually 2 morons.

What I was proposing was to have the government as an EXECUTIVE arm only, not as a policy setter.

Using Optical Character Recognition forms in lottery machines the public would vote on issues, and then the Executive would be instructed to EXECUTE the policy we had chosen, WHATEVER the hell that was.

You get the government you deserve would become a truism at last.

We've just been ambushed by one loose cannon and now we are faced with a choice of 2 more unknowns who we are asked to "elect" into the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world.

Dr Strangelove doesn't even get on the radar in this comedy.

How could we stop McCain if he got in and decided to nuke Russia?

How could we stop Obama if he got in and chose to grant no-limit immigration to Africans in order to make sure he got elected again on the basis of race, no matter how bad he turned out to be as a policy maker?

Going through that whole dreary cycle again where we expect one person who's got his hands on the single biggest fortune in the world to make the right choices about every single issue fills me with dread, (again).

Think of all the issues that have gone awry in the last 50 years where the president has made the wrong choice and forced it on the world whether they wanted it or not.

Just go back to 9/11 for example.

If we were voting on issues and the issue was revenge and the 2 main questions were;

1 - should we hunt down and kill Bin Laden?

2 - should we invade Iraq and kill Saddam Hussein?

I mean, it's a no-brainer isn't it?

They say that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a sure sign of madness.

Well if that's true, then we are all, truly, totally insane, for allowing this madness to continue.

TO ME 9/11 = THERMITE

I still need proof .

Well what ever we decide to do one thing will remain FIXED !

You can no operate a LINEAR SYSTEM like Consumerism on a FINITE PLANET for very long before this Human Behavior beging to threaten Human Existence !

The demands of Consumerism means we must turn and ever greater amount of Resources into trash daily to keep feeding the Monarty Monster! And that does not even address the Interst Payments.

There will eventually be a fundmental change on Human Behavior or man kind will destory all Human Life it is that simple.

I saw a documentary online about 3 years ago that predicted this American financial event happening. I tried to find it again , but with no successful results.

ChazL

One thing that I would suggest is to have everything back to how it was with Bill Clinton in office. Most people didn't like him, but that was the most stable our economy has been in a long time. Oil companies need to quit overcharging, instead of the buyout for the banks, help the people themselves. That only made the rich richer. Alot needs to change, and the only advice that I can give is DO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT BUSH DID!!!!

"DO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT BUSH DID!!!!" Or what every other politician over the last two hundred years has done: abuse their authority and power when they could get away with it. And that is just in the United States.

Every President since Washington has abused power and authority. Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase, (sidestepping Congress and the American people.) Lincoln suspended all civil rights in order to "preserve the Union".

Granted the economy was strong under Clinton, but if that is the only criteria, then it also was strong during both world wars.

There are also allegations (rumors if you prefer, but rumors with some evidence) that evidence in at least two deaths was tampered with benefiting Clinton. The suspicious "suicide" of Vince Foster. (The pistol found at the scene was the wrong caliber, was not nearly enough blood at the scene, etc....) Clinton's friends turned out to be agents for the Chinese government and sold nuclear secrets. (ex. "Charlie" Yao Lin Tree)

Yes, our current president has been bad for this country and it's citizens, but at least I understand his motive: simple greed.

Vote all incumbents out, and write in your real choice for change. I will not presume to suggest who to vote for, that is what it truly means to have a choice.

Or you can follow the herd like a good little sheep, just remember: many in Washington D.C. have a taste for mutton.

Regards Dragon

Hello Dragonsfarm,

I believe you may have unduly included Andrew Jackson one of the very few presidents with military back ground that were worth a hoot as statesmen. If his example were followed we'd not have the federal reserve bank!

He did manage to keep the Foreign bankers out for 60 years.

He was bad mouthed by the greedy government bootlickers because he did his job as a statesman President. Just for that I would put him in the top ten best US Presidents.

Then again I don't rate Lincoln very high for the war powers acts, letting in the Foreign banks, and passing illegal amendments to the US constitution by force of arms.

Odd that isn't in my public school history books. Then again the plan to get Japan to attack Pearl Harbor wasn't either.

Brad

I don't recall the ticker tape parade for Joseph Stalin being my studies either

Some have called this a 100 year pyramid scheme

So true most of what Lincoln was credited with was a by-product of what was actually done. And most of what was done was done by bureaucracy.

If the real story were suddenly distributed there could be a national lull then an angry roar! Ya think...?

I had not seen that version, but every thing there I found from other sources.

He who controls the money makes the rules = power (common law(people's Law) to statute law (banker's Law)).

That power will be used to keep the power and if power is not used|flexed then it is lost because others will step into the void to fill it.

From the 48 rules of Power by Greene- never give your master reason to fear you or he will crush you to protect himself. This is from an imaginary threat or an actual threat.

Brad

thats awesome.. i love it

I hope that you do not mean you love that fact that those in power will crush any who threaten them.

I for one, am doing all in my power to prevent the spread of that mentality.

Regards Dragon