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Will the Camaro Save GM?

Posted May 22, 2009 9:00 AM by CarDomain

Jay Leno sure thinks it will. Over at jaylenosgarage.com, the host of The Tonight Show is running a video about the 2010 Camaro, a vehicle he thinks will be "a hit right out of the box". Green cars and hybrids may be all the rage, but the man who replaced Johnny Carson likens them to "sensible shoes". After all, "cars are still about passion - and this is a car that people want".

Designed by GM's Ed Welbun, the 2010 Camara has a "muscular aggressive look" that is unmistakable. Even the six-cylinder packs a punch. With 304 hp, the V6 is faster than the '68 396, "the big muscle car when I was a kid", Leno explains.

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05/22/2009 10:50 PM

Not unless it is used to run over all the politicians and union employees who now own it.

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05/22/2009 11:05 PM

It might have been a real hit, but I doubt very much if it will ever be produced. Mr. Obama has decreed that all that will be produced and sold here will be the econobox crap and this does not fit that mode.

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05/22/2009 11:22 PM

It's already in the showrooms. I've driven the V6 model, very impressive.

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05/22/2009 11:56 PM

I'm glad to hear that. Maybe there is a chance if GM can go ahead and produce something the public wants.

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05/23/2009 12:22 AM

They will never sell me another piece of chevy shit.

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05/23/2009 1:24 AM

Must be a Ford guy. Can't even leave his name.

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05/23/2009 11:46 AM

Well I guess I'm all "red, white, and blue... apple pie and the 4th of July but in my book the only thing better than a red Camero is a red Corvette.........although my wife likes Mustangs and MGB's of all things.

You may hate GM but you've got a heart beat "ya gotta love" these 2 cars.

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05/23/2009 12:29 PM

Don't get me wrong, I seriously lust after both, as well as Vipers and Chargers, but the problem is that NOTHING is going to save GM or Chrysler. As soon as Obama started giving preference to the Union instead of the secured investors for both Chrysler and GM, it was all over. Do not be surprised if this goes to the Supreme court and Obama is handed his arse on a platter, but by the time that happens, it will be too late. Too much damage will have been done.

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05/23/2009 5:19 AM

Energy Efficient? How many miles/ gal?.

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05/23/2009 11:55 AM

What is it with you people? After reading these posts, it appears that there are people, including Jay Leno who just don't give a crap about the economy or ecology. I just can't understand their selfishness. They want gas guzzling muscle cars despite their impact on the ecology. They complain about the cost of fuel, but won't support fuel economy measures. It's the same with smokers who don't give a damn about those around them. Jay Leno is a millionaire and can afford his fancy cars, even if gas costs $10 a gallon. We won't be able to drive, but he will. I would he rather champion the cause of economical cars than his own ego.

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05/23/2009 1:13 PM

I'm sorry you liberals buy into all this "Global Warming" crap that was dreamed up by VP Gore to make a buck. Most of it is a load of crap and several of the worlds leading scientific minds have so stated. The MNM is not reporting that very loudly and they are so in bed with Mr. Obama that they follow his lead on most things. If you will try some light reading, you might start with the US Constitution, you will find that Mr. Obama is over stepping his bounds on several things and eventually will be handed his ass when the adoring crowds see what his plans or lack there of will cost them and this country. We wind up paying in both blood and treasure when we have someone like him in positions of power. There is a reason that Central control of a countries economy and production doesn't work. The market will produce what the people want and will weed out the things that they don't want and that don't work. If GM and Chrysler do not produce products that the public want or if their business plan doesn't work then they go out of business. Then someone who does do those things will replace them. The federal government needs to stay out of this and never should have gotten into it to start with. President Bush and Mr. Obama had no business taking our money and using it to bail out business that were failing. I like Chrysler and have owned several Chrysler products over the years, but if they can't produce good products that the public wants or get their business act together then they go out of business. Taking our money and propping them up along with the banks that made bad choices is a mistake.

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05/23/2009 3:21 PM

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"The market will produce what the people want and will weed out the things that they don't want and that don't work. If GM and Chrysler do not produce products that the public want or if their business plan doesn't work then they go out of business. Then someone who does do those things will replace them. The federal government needs to stay out of this and never should have gotten into it to start with."

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05/23/2009 3:27 PM

Ditto!

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05/23/2009 3:52 PM

Global warming appears to not be fully documented enough to satisfy you of its existence. But that's no reason to insult those who disagree with you, on any topic. Our Constitution configures our government so that regularly and periodically the people vote in the people that draft our laws. What I consider our true patriot merit shines not on the day of election, but the day after election when the results get tabulated. While the winners celebrate their victories, the losers graciously step down congratulating the victors. Somewhere in the congratulations the losers always state or imply, "But wait until next time." This is the genius of our founding fathers. We don't have a one man, one vote, one time only system that some supposed democracies do. We don't have losers who are still in power after an election, nullifying the election with a coup-de-etat. Dramatic changes in government here rarely create permanent changes in doctrine, unless they dramatically improve the country.

So as long as you can respectfully disagree with the policies and decisions of any politician then I say, speak your mind. But if you cannot be civil, shut up and wait your turn.

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05/24/2009 10:15 AM

Sorry, but I'm not a liberal. I've been a Republican all my life and even voted for McCain. My real gripe with Detroit is they insist on building low mileage cars in a time when we should be weening away from fossil fuels. We should be biting the bullet and embracing high mileage technologies like the rest of the world. As for ecology, I'm old enough where I won't see any big changes or be affected by them. My children and grand children will. I used to love muscle cars too, but I've outgrown yesterdays toys. I do lust for Guy Fieri's SS396 convertible. That's one beautiful machine.

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05/24/2009 4:51 PM

I agree with the premise, but disagree with the direction. Our energy technology has been stalled since the mid sixties. We need to move forward on energy technology research. No matter how you look at it, any fossil fuel is a finite resource and we need to move on. I am a proponent of Nuclear energy only because I think it is the next step and then on to something better. Nuclear is better that fossil fuel for many reasons and the next step will be better, but we need to take the nest step. With that as a basis then other motor fuels such as hydrogen are more viable.

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05/26/2009 6:04 PM

GA! Have you seen the list of American auto manufacturers that have gone out of business? There has to bo over a thousand. (Started counting, then threw in the towel) I Agree. They make a product thatthe people will buy, or go out of business. Isn't that what free enterprise is all about?

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05/24/2009 9:10 PM

Jim wright i find the remark "you liberals" very generalising, i consider my self a liberal and i am very sceptical of the global warming, the one thing i agree on is that the industry should make vehicles that create as little waste as possible.

Anyway back on topic, nice Car but me as a dutch guy wonder what is the price tag?

i notice at the side picture it looks remarkably like a corvette

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05/24/2009 9:45 PM

Epke, the second picture IS the Corvette.

And the problem with liberalism is that it inevitably leads to socialism. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money. We have a name for socialism, it is called a Ponzi Scheme. We throw people in prison for that. But politicians are somehow immune from prosecution.

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05/24/2009 10:16 PM

(some) Americans seem always to think socialism and communism is the same thing.

Socialism is good in moderation, nothing is good when it is too much,

Too much capitalism has brought the financial crisis, too much socialism has brought us Communism, to much nationalism (right wing) has brought us the third Reich.

no more socialism would mean no public libraries, schools, hospitals and so on.

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05/24/2009 10:59 PM

I'm sorry, but your facts are very much in error. The financial crisis was brought about by liberal attempts to modify mortgage lending rules so that people who couldn't qualify for the mortgage loan they wanted were given the loan anyway in the name of increasing home ownership. The change was started under President Carter and accelerated under President Clinton with much arm twisting by Madeline Albright. When President Bush attempted to do something about the problem the Democrats stonewalled him and said there was no problem until the whole system blew up. Now the very people who created this mess are doing everything they can to blame someone else. I know this because I was a Realtor and a Mortgage Broker at the time and watched the whole mess unfold. Liberalism does not improve things for anyone. It pulls everyone down to the same level and discourages hard work and advancement.

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05/24/2009 11:06 PM

IMO opinion overspending and sub-prime loans were a great factor, and truly? are there any difference between the Democrats and republicans in the American government? it seems only money talks and common sense has left the building,

what i read i all comments on the net is that Democrats and republicans love to throw mud at each other instead of sitting around the table and solving this mess.

pointing fingers doesn't move you forward

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I agree, but truth is truth.

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I stand corrected. Please forgive the over generalization. I didn't intend to be insulting. I hadn't noticed but you are correct.

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05/25/2009 7:48 AM

No doubt the new Camaro is a pretty vehicle. To earn the name Camaro it should certainly be a powerful machine. It appears they even made it nimble. I suspect that unless there is a large price difference between the six and eight cylinder package, few of the six cylinder versions will be sold.

But the elite, top of the line machines of any manufacturing company will not be the money maker of that company. I do realize that these gems can be the lure to get potential customers to the showroom floor. But after the driver's fantasies fade, there must be next to the dream machine a real profit making vehicle available for sale.

I also wonder if this machine's intended market exists only in the auto executive's mind. Gone are the days (at least where I live) that a showroom or tinkered muscle car could go to a local race track to really test their metal. Will the impending return of $4 gasoline stifle all but the few who can afford to feed these muscle machines?

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05/25/2009 11:45 AM

Wow so many issues emerge in a discussion about a car.

Car bit first, too little too late I am afraid, the car was at the SEMA show three years ago now. I saw it at a breakfast meeting along with the Mustang and the Charger. Keynote speakers were the designers of the three models. Once again Ford beat the other two getting the vehicle to market, The Charger in my opinion is a bit of a joke, it resembles the original in name only. The Camero was ready for assembly according the the GM executive who was speaking, and they should have pushed it out the door then, too late now.

The three models were designed for the boomer market, those who drove the same vehicles back in their youth. So far I have driven both the Ford offering and the Chrysler offering, thus my comment above. I hope to drive the Camero, but my expectations are low, GM has more problems than the current obvious ones.

American politics interesting to say the least, and the misconceptions surrounding any change is great fun to watch. Do you know that you have a socialist country to the north? Works for us, and the global Depression has effected us less. Yes it is a Depression, not a severe recession. However, using the D word, by politicians is a self fulfilling prophesy, thus the lack of use by politicians.

All the 'isms' will run amuck when taken that last little bit too far. Russia discovered this when Ronny Raygun did what he does best, being an actor he convinced the Russians that the Star Wars system was real, and not to be outdone the Russian government bankrupted itself trying to catch up. OOPS.

Capitalism has just been demonstrated as not being the end all solution for everything, and in a big way. The politicians may have enacted the laws that lead to this very interesting situation we find our selves in, however, it was the lobby groups that pushed their adgenda, whoever they were, that has caused the current situation.

There is no one answer, that is the problem, each group sees it's own way as being the only way. The only thing for sure is this current situation will indeed be entertaining to watch unfold.

Global warming; wrong term, it is now Climate Change, next year, who knows? Do you realize that most of the weather stations that the data was captured from are in urban environments? How on earth could that matter you ask? Citys are hotter by thier very nature and the initial data was somewhat skewed, only to be discovered after someone yelled 'wolf'. Another OOPS.

Such interesting times, really such fun to watch, too bad so many are hurt by all these bad decisions. That is human nature though.

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05/26/2009 12:33 AM

And it is working so well that your Socialized Medical Care system is virtually bankrupt and is rationing care to the point that anyone who can afford it (or can walk out of the hospital under their own power) is coming to the United States for medical care. And private cash only clinics and hospitals are popping up all over Canada in violation of Canadian law.

Yeah, that is working out so well.

Meanwhile here in the US, Social (in)Security will be bankrupt by the end of Obama's first term (assuming he isn't assisinated or impeached or both...), and Medicare will be bankrupt not much later.

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Urban legend, never had a problem getting the service required at a hospital any where in the country, never spoke to anyone who has.

Clinics have been here for decades, nothing new there, as for private hospitals, please point me at one, never heard of one actually existing.

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Here's one instance I can think of off the top of my head (I'm sure there are plenty more).

http://www.komonews.com/news/10216201.html

and another article on the subject

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/01/critically_ill_canadians_rushe.html

And another

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070914/belinda_Stronach_070914/20070914

And here is an article about for profit private clinics.

http://cupe.ca/health-care/private-clinic-study

and another

http://www.canadians.org/media/council/2008/7-May-08.html

And a blog showing graphs of wait times.

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2008/06/they-werent-kidding-about-those-weight.html

and the report it comes from

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/COMMERCE.WEB/product_files/WaitingYourTurn2007rev2.pdf

I could probably continue pulling up data on the subject, but the tooth that I had filled this afternoon is hurting.... Calling it a night.

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cool,interesting reading...

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My first post flew off into the aether so instead of getting verbose like I did before, here is a simple link dump, I trust it will show what I mean.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/01/critically_ill_canadians_rushe.html

http://cupe.ca/health-care/private-clinic-study

http://www.canadians.org/media/council/2008/7-May-08.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070914/belinda_Stronach_070914/20070914

http://www.komonews.com/news/10216201.html

well it looks like it went through after all... my computer is acting flakey. needs to be nuked and rebuilt....

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CUPE.CA is a bit slanted since they are the public service union and the small clinics are for the most part not interested in them, but clinics are nothing new and quite legal actually.

Good old Belinda, she was fun, daughter of a billionaire looking for something to do, the car you drive has parts manufactured by her fathers company. She was a bit of a bone head.

I will comment on the others later. Politics of health care are interesting and so are statistics, all depends on the point of view.

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05/25/2009 4:34 PM

If people want their car so bad then why are they filling up empty runway in Toronto?

http://maps.google.ca/?ie=UTF8&ll=43.745357,-79.461864&spn=0.000938,0.001706&t=h&z=19

They'll have a better chance if they sold all the over stocks. Or they're waiting for the cars to rot then claim insurance?

Now how would you like a "new" car which had been parked outside for 6 months in Toronto? They were there before winter.

Wonder why people not buying thier cars.

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05/25/2009 5:20 PM

You should see the cars parked in the mid west and southwest, thousands of them. They just kept producing with no one buying and ended up parking then all over the place. Last time I was in Vegas there was thousands parked at the raceway, the place was full, and no it wasn't an event unless it was a gathering of the all new GM club.

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05/25/2009 4:35 PM

The game is the same only the names have changed. The big three want a big cut of your budget for junk. $80- 140 US currency for a thermal switch that if the threads are different cost $15 retail. They can keep their overpriced fuel hogs. I built my first diesel pickup in 1979 it did 25 mpg on a bad day and top speed was 150mph. For the cost I'll build my own.

One of the first things I want to build is a heads up display. No looking down to see what the instruments are trying to tell you. And once I modify a system no all day to replace a part. Engineered to work on, not to cost a bundle so you want to get a brand new piece of problems. No Detroit has made their bed and the Bankers have killed the Federal reserve note at our loss. So why are no Bankers in prison? Because they bought our governments first. Looks like a duck to me.

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Re: Will the Camaro Save GM?

05/25/2009 5:22 PM

And if you stick your head out the window you can hear them quack, sure sounds like a duck.

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Re: Will the Camaro Save GM?

05/25/2009 8:00 PM

China is already saving GM but will not save Camaro. Jay forgets that its people who sell cars, not someone who can buy lots of them, who are in a much better position to know. The one problem with playing follow the leaders (who are also following the leaders) is that novelty quickly wears off. Such is the case with retro cars like the Camaro. They will turn out mostly to be niche cars that will come and go just like before...but probably sooner. So it does indeed look to be the hybrids and strategies to make them price competitive which will continue to advance in the market. In spite of Ford's advances technically, Honda's hybrid Civic seems likely to keep the US playing catchup for a long time...in spite of vehicles technically on par or better; in spite of reemerging lead in styling. The Japanese idea of making the little hybrid competitive by trading away luxurious amenities in the car will almost certainly be a winning strategy-it puts gas saving vehicles in the hands of those who need them the most; hands which also belong to the demographic majority: the young and not-so-rich.

PS: Camry but not Camaro, shows up in CR4's spell checker vocabulary. What more does Jay need to convince him...that he'll need to buy lots of Camaro's if Camaro's gonna save GM.

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Re: Will the Camaro Save GM?

05/25/2009 10:43 PM

the new camaro is rated at 29mpg for the v6 and 25mpg for the v8, hardly gas guzzlers i think. and a fun car to drive. wednesday nite at the drags there was a new one that turned 13.97 et. i dont know if it was v8 or v6. had the stock tires too.

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Re: Will the Camaro Save GM?

05/26/2009 2:16 PM

Apparently the PonyCar fanboys are poking a bit of fun at the Camaro....

http://www.themustangnews.com/carnews_09/0509-2010-camaro-wt-111.htm

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05/27/2009 6:23 PM

Poor things...

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