Increased Solar Cell Efficiency

You're just a dreamer.

They're called SOLAR cells for a reason.

Does this have anything to do with nano-technology?

Have you solicited funding from the Keshe Foundation?

Forgive me if I am skeptical, it's just that I keep hearing a duck in the background. Quack. Quack.

If you really have such a device, and can demonstrate it without any tricks or deception, I'll have a plate of crow. (And invest)

It's true. However, the catch is that it only works on the sunny side of Mercury.

No I haven't tried to get funds from the keshe foundation they have no ties with me. I will try to get it on my YouTube channel to show it if that would help

Contact a local University and see if they would be interesting in a partnership.

Be aware that there are many, many other people and groups working on solar development and improvement projects.

WWhat do you think about one of those indigogo or Kickstart funding programs?

SSo if I tell people how to make it and it works don't I run the risk of losing any patients ability which has happened to a multitude of inventors. And I broke the one cell I made last night while trying to make a video of it can i video the cloth and the next cell without the coating while I make a new cell with the coating. Would that work for you guys, for now?

Take notes, pictures and any other type of documentation you may have.

Date it and get someone who is qualified (and who you trust) to witness and sign the documentation. A Non-disclosure agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is definitely needed for anyone who is shown the work.

Then file a: Provisional Application for Patent | USPTO

Do some research on the web about what you need to do to protect your intellectual property rights.

I had the luxury of an experienced patent attorney when I filed for my patent. It can be done without a lawyer, if you are careful.

Good luck.

One option to help protect yourself (and patents actually offer little, trust us, myself and others have gone through the patent process here, my advice - don't, waste of money for practically no protection at all - see previous CR4 threads on patents, its all there) is to do what I said above, get it all documented nicely and then publish a paper in a major scientific publication thereby planting the flag of 'I did it first'.

There may be some free or cheap plublication sites you could upload and publish to if you are stingy, but be warned the paper better be well written or its value is likely worthless. Should be plenty of free guides online to help you however.

Videos are not proof unfortunately as they are easy to fake and say very little. Documenting how it is done so the effect can be replicated by others is the best proof, especially if you don't actually know whats going on and hence cannot fully explain it.

Would that work for you guys, for now?

Oh we can wait, but can you give us an idea on how the efficiency is increased and how you measured it?

Like "put special coating on, added water and the solar cell output increased from x current at y voltage to x current at y voltage with same solar input", etc. The setup and measurement of results is more important at the moment and doesn't require a detailed explanation on the coating composition, just the coatings effect before and after.

I agree with you that it costs money to defend a patent, but it is worth the effort and cost on the chance that his invention may be worth selling to someone with deep pockets who would be willing to defend it.

If it's disclosed he loses all claims to the invention and someone else can likely steal it.

Hopefully, I can do it next weekend.

where exactly are the photons coming from, starlight??

MMy only assumption is that they are virtual plasma partical's. Or cosmic rays, due to the low level IR and UV partical rays.

Virtual plasma particles?

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with these. Can you expand?

Yes, I did a GOOGLE search (as well as a few other sources), and found quite a few people who also are unfamiliar with the characteristics of virtual plasma particles. Among them are Physicist John Baez and Physicist Sean Carrol.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/2014/08/06/nasa-validate-imposible-space-drive-word/

Nonsense, baloney, and mumbo-jumbo are the buzzwords from this article.

More fool and liar than dreamer.

It might be possible to extract energy with modified solar cells using some sort of radioactive coating or source....or by attaching photoswitching molecules called azobenzene to a template of carbon nanotubes (CNTs)...or by using some sort of heat storage thermal system....

http://magazine.good.is/articles/making-solar-power-work-at-night-with-mirrors-salt-and-a-hillside

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0416/Scientists-might-have-figured-out-how-to-make-solar-power-work-at-night

Oh my WORD!!

"... how I can proceed with the development and sales." You shouldn't! This is proprietary technology being developed by the good folks at LynDoor Industries. The calculated infinite improbability of independent co-development make it infinitely improbable that you have independently developed this technology at the same time that we have. Cease at once! I have referred this matter to Sue M. Bigtime, our corporate bulldog, princess of the protracted lawsuit.

Unless, of course, you have figured out how to make this work in the southern hemisphere, in which case you should have your people call our people. Welcome to the team!

Well said, partner.

The advantage of having deep pockets, and our own lawyers is that we can outlast this upstart in court.

I also hear that the FTC is about to order the Keshe Foundation to cease and desist from making outlandish claims, such as "through the use of specially developed plasma reactors which will also give Mankind the real freedom to travel in deep Space"

As well as their claims of non-profit, non-religious status. Clearly, they are trying to circumvent U.S. tax laws with that thinly veiled claim.

II have no ties to the keshe foundation tho I have done a bit of his experiments

Are you typing on an Adroid phone, that happens to be Motorola?

The reason I ask is that my phone does the double hit on the first letter I type.

YYes :)

I'm sorry but apparently you didn't read what I said that it works better in humid conditions. So go ahead send the hounds. Maybe they will like it.

Let's go back and read what you said[sic].

I am not trying to be condescending here, but you may have noticed a wee bit of sarcasm generated with your proposal you wrote in your first post. I might be able to help.

First, engineering and science live by communication. Your post was so poorly worded that people spent more time picking apart your writing than its substance.

However, your problems didn't end there. It just gets worse. On the subject of substance, your claims are so outlandish that everyone simply took it as pathological science.

Perhaps neither of the above were what you had intended to communicate, but that is what came across and instead of creating a meaningful dialog you have been reduced to fodder for criticism.

To drill my point in, we see an endless number of people pop on here with so many, if I may put it in plain vernacular, corny ideas that it is hard to take anyone serious when they make a presentation like yours. Instead of getting due diligence it becomes comic relief. It would serve you well to consider that your fault.

There are just over 7 billion people on Earth and as it happens a significant fraction of those believe they have something that is both mind blowing and meaningful to contribute to the greater good. If you expect to stand out above the detritus you will need to master the skill of communication first.

you are absolutely right I am a poor communicator. And everyone thinks I'm a quak, but the earth was flat at one time also. But, it didn't mean that the scientists that saI'd I was round was wrong, and look what they did to him. So, what I go through is nothing Compartivly, and I can appreciate the comment.

like you said physists only have a mathematical theory of virtual particles but the qualifications of a vertical partical, if I remember correctly, is that they would have no mass,but, behave as partical's that have mass; such as a photon, however, the newest and only partical that they've found is the HIGGS BOSON, which has no mass,yet is required for mass to be produced within any atomic or subatomic structure acting as a partical, and it is a highly gravitational structure. Since I have gained no Mass that I can measure, it can't be a HIGGS, AND it could be just an interaction of gamma field forces or anything else for that matter but it has to have a magnetic property because of the voltaic creation. So if it were a virtual particle, the magnetical field forces would be an attribute, it could be any number of things. That would be for someone who understands that stuff to explain to me.

Illiterate drivel.

Could be a great basis for a patent. Have you read some patents lately.

The criteria for granting copyrights ought to be different from those for granting patents. Sadly....

Sadly the entire intellectual property rights system has gone to the dogs.

The inventor no longer matters. The lawyers/corporations have perverted it to their own advantage.

Agreed. There are big problems in that area.

First, if you want to neglect communication skills, that's your prerogative, but it's a little like a sprinter cutting off one foot and going racing. You get to see what you are convinced are a lot of @ssholes ahead.

Virtual particles are pretty well accepted as fact. The Cashmere Effect demonstrates that. Where you are going wrong, in my own opinion, is violating the conservation of energy.

Maybe you should partner with a university or someone that has a command of physics, but your claim is going to have to pass the smell test.

II'm not trying to avoid improving my communication skills just that I'm a bit up there in age and know that I probably won't be able to improve that greatly. And I've tried to contact university people and have never heard back from any of them and when I did try to get a hold of the KF they never got back with me either so this was my last attempt to get some advice. Of which I think is beer than I've gotten anywhere

Contact NASA.

No joke. I am not sure if that is the right link for your needs, but NASA does provide technical assistance for small businesses.

HHow does it violate the conservation law? Please explain

You can't have a net gain of energy or loss of energy in the universe. It can't be created nor destroyed.

The momentary creation of a virtual particle is so short that it will violate this law due to quantum effects. This is by the grace of the Uncertainty Principle which basically says you can't be certain about both the time and the energy of a virtual particle.

Virtual particles' existence is so short that they can't actually be detected directly, only inferred by secondary effects.

TThis project started as me successfully making the coating on a piece of fiberglass cloth I put it on a tube of then that's when I found out It was energetic stand alone and then when wind passes through the material the faster the wind the higher the voltage then I sprayed it with water and it still worked just as well then I found an old cell from a old yard light that was broken and tied the material In parallel with the cell and walking through the dark with it , because it was night time, and my meter was still showing just as much voltaic action as during the day sometimes less sometimes more. So, am I thinking properly about the initial experiment?

No. You're not thinking properly about the initial experiment.

It seems to me that you've been distracted by the solar cell that you hooked in parallel with the cloth. Focus on the cloth and the voltage it puts out, especially when the wind passes through it. Your original question is very misleading because it focused on the solar cell, when what you may have (with a great deal of luck) is something completely independent of solar cells.

Also, in order to be clear and persuasive (very important), please read your posts carefully a couple of times before you post them. Get rid of typos and bits that don't matter (like the fact that the solar cell was from a broken yard light) and put periods in between thoughts to make sentences. If a sentence is longer than two or three lines, you may be cramming too many thoughts into one sentence. Ideally you will also remove repetitive words (like how you used "then").

Example:

This project started as me successfully making the coating on a tube of fiberglass cloth. That's when I found out it was energetic as a stand-alone experiment. Then I found that when wind passes through the material, the voltage rises such that the faster the wind the higher the voltage. Next I sprayed it with water and it still worked just as well. After that I connected a solar cell in parallel with the cell. In the dark, my meter was still showing just as much voltaic action as during the day, sometimes less sometimes more. So, am I thinking properly about the initial experiment?

Yes,your right it did work just as well as a solar cell,sometimes better,and at night there was no comparison. Thanks for pointing that out. So, you think that I sold just focal on the material itself and not on how it worked with the cell?

That's what I think.

And your post was very readable this time. Still, you might pay more attention to typos, like "focus" instead of "focal," "should" instead of "sold," "you're" instead of "your." And put one space after your commas, just like after periods. Remember how real estate agents put beautiful furniture in a house to be sold, no matter how great the house itself looks, because it gets better offers that way. Make your posts beautiful. It's good practice for actually presenting your case to people who may fund your research.

....and vital in technical or scientific discussions when a simple typo can easily change the whole meaning of a word or discussion.

You need to take a scientific approach to your work. That means trying different things and arrangements to characterize the effect.

Document everything exactly so you can go back to your notes.

Ultimately, this invention has to do work, so you need to create a load and determine exactly how much power it creates (if any). Power is different than simply voltage (Potential Difference).

Your experimental designs should be guided by physics. This is where you need a partner who is well versed in the field so that meaningful experiments can be conducted.

Lastly, you will need to have an airtight theory on why it does what it does. That is going to be hard, as no one will except an invention that functions by "and a miracle happens here".

Read up about Cold Fusion (from scholarly publications, not just someone's blog) to see how pathological science can turn the world against you.

Yes, I've been scavenging capacitors.

Well this is radically different from what you started saying and implying. So........

Concentrate on the coating on the piece of fiberglass cloth, it sounds like you are seeing the same voltage from the cloth across the 'non-functioning in the dark' solar cell.

Try connecting a small load up to the cloth and see if you are getting more than just a voltage potential difference. Even static electricity will give a high voltage but if there is no current flow then all you are seeing is an effect, not something that can actually provide meaningful power like a solar cell, battery, etc.

KKinda like the second "Bush " president. Mr. Articulate

I just got it! Now,the fact I just got it is funnier, or just as funny as the post.

Solar energy could be harvested 24x7 by mounting a mirror on a satellite and concentrating reflected light in a spot on earth. Also by using spherical shaped PV in which directed and reflected light can fall from any direction,more energy could be harvested during day time.

Oh, look. A global warming mechanism. Isn't it sweet?

Compare the energy harvested by a spherical PV cell and a parabolic cell having the same surface area of sphere with sun tracking over same period of time in same location at the same time.Compare the cost too.

II was thinking of more like sun shades and privite fencing shape, padio covers. And aerospace.

Cost isn't an issue. This is extremely cheap, the material (shade cloth) cost more than the process. And wind, temperature, and humidity. Are at play here. This will make solar almost obsolete.

I'm going to try to help you out a bit. When you say that a coating makes your solar panel work in the dark, it naturally generates some skepticism. Solar cells work with photons, and you are saying that this coating makes your solar cell pick up as many photons (or something) in the dark as in full sunlight. Does that also mean that during the day it produces twice as many photons? Do you have any pictures or video or data or anything at all to show that it works?

By the way, I suggest you avoid saying that you've increased the "efficiency" of a solar panels with this coating, because that sounds like you've improved the amount of sunlight that they convert into electricity. It actually sounds more like you've discovered something entirely different, and with luck (a great deal of luck) it will turn out to be more than a glitch in your electronics.

You may think the coating is producing virtual particles, but that would mean that a chemical process is creating an effect that works on the subatomic level. Before you jump into explaining this using virtual particles, you will have to show that this coating actually does something. You can try to explain how it works later. For the present, I suggest you say you don't know how it works, provide whatever data you have on its properties, and leave the particle physics to the physicists.

At least the thread is going better than the other one with the co2. I appreciate your help.

I'll take that as a constructive win for all involved.

Post number 7000 on a positive note!

You're welcome.

Totally confused. op states...1. "I have developed an coating that I put on a solar cell and it doubles the efficiency by allowing the cell to work at night at the same average production as daylight and in moist or humid conditions it's even more efficient." and..

2. "the project started as me successfully making the coating on a piece of fiberglass cloth I put it on a tube of then that's when I found out It was energetic stand alone and then when wind passes through the material the faster the wind the higher the voltage then I sprayed it with water and it still worked just as well.

3...then I found an old cell from a old yard light that was broken and tied the material In parallel with the cell and walking through the dark with it , because it was night time, and my meter was still showing just as much voltaic action as during the day sometimes less sometimes more."

1. Sounds exciting, if unbelievable. (I have tried to produce power from my solar panels with several things at night; high power lights, reflected light, etc.
None of which worked.) But with an open mind.... until proved otherwise.

2. Now the confusion. Coating a fiberglass cloth. Is this a flat piece of "cloth" or a rolled up "tube" of cloth? i.e. does the wind travel "though the material (cloth)? Or through a tube of the material? (tube made by rolling up the cloth.) Why stop at water?

3. Worse now. Having found eureka (electricity) why did the op connect it to a cell?
Having sourced a (the) supply (from the cloth) he now attributes it to the solar cell?
To claim the coating made the cell work also at night? For publicity?
Surely just making the "cloth" work would be sufficient unto the day? (pun intended)

From personal experience I would advise him: Yes, detail and record his claim with reputable bodies, even a provisional (vaguely written) patent claim would suffice; and not to waste money on expensive patents/agents until proven.

Assuming all is genuine (big assumption... mother of all....) would the op extensively confirm a few points. e.g. On the cell, and cloth, (separately) does the coating effect "fade"? Does it wash off? Last? Or have any other negative properties? If not:

Because of my interest I am willing to sign an NDA and after due diligence, offer some money or deal.
(who wouldn't!)

However, being first to market is paramount. If it is that good, it will be copied; and, the one who has taken the money (from sales) will be in the strongest position.
The rest will be history. I hope he does have a wonder "coating." Proof is in the pudding.

jt.

Told this sexy girl to text me, when she got home. Starting to think she's homeless.

II understand the confusion. Just to set the record straight.

1. I started by wanting to put a superconducting nanomaterial as a SP3 HYBRID structure with a zerconia base. So I chose fiberglass, because it has a zerconia positron on its surface. I believe I was successful with that. This was a tube, that I set aside.

2. Then I had a cell that I put it thru a like process, I made some changes to the cell in the process, by adding some wiring to the coating for testing purposes. It worked as planned. As I had originally stated.

3. I later went back to the tube, cut a piece off to test for flexibility and that piece I cut open for this test,

I had my meter connected to the piece, and I spilled some water on it, started to shake it dry and my meter went crazy, I blew on it, the rest of the story I think you can put it together. I combined them and then got everything confused in the excitement. And you all put my head on right. Thanks.

I've had the fiberglass cloth tube and cloth in the elements for over a yr and seem to be just as active as when they started.haven't tried washing with soap and water

Your call magrav Dynamics. jt.

God called Noah one day and said, "Noah, I need you to build another Ark."
"What, like the last one" says Noah. "No, I need this one to have six storys."
"So do you want me to lead all the animals into the Ark two by two?"
"No," says God. "I want you to take just fish on board."
"What kind of fish?" asks Noah.
"Just carp." answers God.
"But why just carp?" asks Noah.
"Because I've always wanted a multi storey carp ark!

Waiting for my large cloth to be completed along with the actual cell that's coated to see what happens.

I'll make a video so you can see it in action.

I'm not one who can fake it, I wouldn't know how.

What else are you looking for me to do. I just can't give it to you,and I don't think a NDA will protect me. I'm setting up a preliminary record of patent. Will get with you as soon as it's recorded and I have the confirmation. But in the meantime, what else would you like to discuss about it. And, would you be willing to come to Midland Tx. to meet with me?

You can email me also. I believe that it's in my profile.

Well, now that you are talking to yourself, I guess you can email to yourself also.

Nothing. I leave it entirely up to you magrav Dynamics.

This is unlikely to go anywhere. Why not....? Because....

"I just can't give it to you,and I don't think a NDA will protect me."

So no bother. I have given you my word (for what it's worth) and my
assurance that I would not discuss it with anyone without your prior consent.

Due to my age and some health problems I cannot travel such a distance.
Therefore may I wish you well, as I am unlikely to be of any help. Good luck.

jt.

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AAbout a week ago I tested my unit again and all I got out of it was static energy. Not sure what happened probably to much messing around with it and destroyed the sample. Making another sample to see if it's repeatable. The unit I made a week ago I left out a few components on purpose and just got static making more units and adding additional components to each of the samples to find the deciding factor. Please wish me luck.

I am sorry to hear it is not repeatable. The road to success is paved with set backs.

If it worked the first time, why? Repeat it, exactly as before. Good luck.

jt.

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Dorothy: "That nice George Johnson asked me out for a date. I know you went out with him last week, and I wanted to talk with you about him before I give him my answer."

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Edna: "No, no, no... course not... I'm just saying, wear an old dress".