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High Strength, Tear, and Flexible Material

06/12/2015 5:30 AM

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I am looking for a material that have high tear strength, high flexural strength and high flexibility. Plus I need it to be water and air proof. Is there a material that has this specifications? I can be a combination of material.

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06/12/2015 6:22 AM

There should be lots of material like that. Maybe plastic sheet...

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06/12/2015 8:24 AM

Duct Tape.

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06/12/2015 9:15 AM

Can you give us a little more information?

  • How big is this material? 2" or 200'?
  • How thick?
  • Temperature rating?

You see where I'm going. It's like saying that you're going on a trip and asking how to get there. Well, we don't know where you are starting and where you are going. Please give us more INFO!

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06/12/2015 9:41 AM

Thanks for your help.

Its size should large (200'). The thickness is not important. However, I need it to be a heavy duty material whereby it could bear a lot of tear. It will be deformed a lot. Plus, I want it to hold the greatest load possible. The greatest the load the better it was.

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06/12/2015 10:00 AM

What are you trying to build?

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06/12/2015 10:32 AM

Basically, it will be like a connection between two pipes. However, these pipes will move in the x - direction. So this material should be:

  • tough enough to bare the high pressure of the liquid passing (high flexural strength)
  • flexible to allow the full contraction of the material (high tear strength)
  • waterproof and air proof to not harm the material flowing
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06/12/2015 10:58 AM

Mbar, I think you can tell we really would like to help, but your requirements are obscure at the moment… can you repost a detailed description of the process, the environment, the media being transported inside the pipe, and clarify movement requirements (bend vs. stretch vs. compression) and does a certain cross-sectional area need to be maintained at point of deflection/deformation?

As both Original Macgyver and I have stated - having to constantly ask questions is both inefficient and annoying. If you can't provide adequate details we can't help and I will make no further inquiries into your application.

If you are unable to post details of your application due to some type of limitations (Patent Development, etc.) then a public forum might not be your best bet… you'll need to hire an appropriate engineer under the constraints of an NDA.

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06/19/2015 4:11 AM

ok I'll, play the twenty questions game.

1:whats the diameter of the pipes to be joined.

2: how far are the ends of the pipes from each other.

3:how much will they move,vibrate, oscillate. the frequency, distance in x,y,z axis.

4:what will flow through the pipes, liquid, granulated solid, gas/vapor or could a vacuum need to be used.

5:what's the temperature of the material flowing, pressure, flow rate.

6:what's the environment temperature range, is it inside outside, is it protected from the weather.

7:will people, vehicles or animals be around the flexible pipe. will they need to cross over or under it.

8:will it be on the ground, in the air, under ground, in or crossing any water.

9:will the flex section be straight, or need to make a bend.

10:will it need to be disconnected, reconnected or moved a lot like a fire hose.

I'm sure there more questions that could be asked. If your able to answer these questions you may be given some ideas that may aid you in finding the proper solution to your needs.

BUT only you or your organization can determine the proper solution.Not a public forum. we can only suggest ideas or maybe point you in a direction that may help. also if English is not your normal language let it be known things can get lost in translation.

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06/19/2015 3:01 PM

You still owe us ten questions. OP has left the building, once again.

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06/12/2015 9:25 AM

Gortex with a Kevlar weave

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06/12/2015 9:43 AM

I read about kevlar. It cannot resist high tear. After 700 times, the material would fail.

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06/12/2015 9:49 AM

High-tear - replace the Kevlar with Nylon... good enough for parachutes.

And if you have an established set of performance criteria for this material - share it, otherwise we have to guess and guessing games are an inefficient use of time.

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06/12/2015 10:50 AM

You mean like silk?

Graphene?

Carbon fiber?

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06/12/2015 11:07 AM

Is carbon fiber flexible as a tissue paper and stronger than steel and bear tear?

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06/12/2015 12:29 PM

You might get some samples to determine what particular weave may suit your purpose best...

http://www.carbonfiberdeals.com/

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06/12/2015 10:55 AM

It's Friday and I'm tired of playing 20 questions.

I have better things to do than play 20 questions and not get an answer that gives me any more information than I had 10 minutes ago.

Have a good day.

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06/12/2015 11:05 AM

I don't have a quantitative figure of the properties itself. I need it to be as flexible as a tissue paper and strong as steel.

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06/12/2015 11:12 AM

Graphene sheet is still a little pricey, but it sure fits the bill....

http://www.graphene-info.com/graphene-paper-new-strong-and-flexible-material

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06/12/2015 12:12 PM

You are describing Spider silk!

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06/12/2015 1:46 PM

Then you are lost.

Engineering demands specifications and unless you can generate a set of quantitative requirements, then you are stabbing in the dark.

While it may seem painful at first, you really need to nail down the specifications or you will spend 10X (pronounced 'X' or 'times'; your choice) the time and effort getting to where you need to be.

If you don't have the engineering skills, then it's time to hire one.

Also, what liabilities are you taking on with this? That's a rhetorical question designed to make you think.

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06/12/2015 2:15 PM

Also, what liabilities are you taking on with this? That's a rhetorical question designed to make you think.
Nice one! Something that many people don't think about until someone says "Is someone going to be standing under that contraption"? Then come the questions of safety!

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06/12/2015 3:34 PM

Usually they say something when the summons gets delivered.

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06/12/2015 12:15 PM

I repeat!

What are you trying to build?

What are you trying to build?

What are you trying to build?

You give us specific points yet the entire post is still very VAGUE!

Explain your rational of WHY you want the specific properties!

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06/12/2015 12:20 PM

Original Macgyver, I honestly don't know what it is needed for. All I know is the properties I told you before. If I knew anything else I would have said. All what they told me is that a material with these properties is needed to be investigated to know if it exists or not. They didn't give anything else. That's why I am not able to answer you specifically.

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06/12/2015 12:33 PM

Ok.

It's very helpful to know exactly what size the "machine" will be.

Are there materials out there that will work.

Sure!

How much money do you have?

How much time do you have?

Are you filtering something?

Once again, 20 questions!

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06/12/2015 12:45 PM

It will connect a max of 1m diameter pipe. I don't care for the money. We can afford the material if it exists. As for the time, the earlier I find it is the better. I don't have anything in mind. Thank you a lot Original Macgyver

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06/15/2015 12:05 AM

If you dont care about money just go and hire a material specialist and system specialist, a new manager while you are at it and get in contact with all universities in the area that deal with this and give them a million dollar grant to come up with a solution.

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06/12/2015 12:42 PM

Then reply to them as we have replied to you... author a set of RFI's (Requests for Information) under the premise that in order to identify a proper material more information needs to be known.

Vagueness is too oft' the norm on initial inquiries and you almost always have to submit RFI's that inquire about:

  • Functionality and Usage
  • Scalability
  • Reliability
  • Durability
  • Maintainability
  • Production/Process Requirements
  • Infrastructure Limitations
  • Environmental Considerations
  • ad nausea

Then once you select a material, you have to determine:

  • Applicability
  • Feasibility
  • Cost
  • Availability
  • Installation requirements
  • Testing and Inspection
  • ad nausea

Spider Silk that Original Macgyver mentioned fits your physical criteria, but it's likely neither an applicable nor a feasible solution to the need.

Essentially, all these things we're asking you - if you don't know them then you need to be asking someone else.

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06/12/2015 12:53 PM

Ok guys. I got your RFIs. I will try to answer them as soon as possible within the upcoming hours and post the answers. Thank you a lot for your help. It's much appreciated.

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06/12/2015 4:25 PM

You need to get some unobtainium from Lyn-Door IndustriesTM.

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06/12/2015 5:03 PM

Damn,

I knew there was an off the shelf solution!

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06/12/2015 6:22 PM

Thanks a lot Tornado. Whom can I contact? Do you have a website or a link or anything that would help?

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06/12/2015 11:51 PM

The CR4 Search Forums feature should turn up many hits.

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06/12/2015 11:57 PM

PLEASE do not use that word. The last time that product was discussed in a public forum, there were way too many hits. There are families involved here. Please no more mention of it.

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06/12/2015 8:38 PM

Tornado, You weren't supposed to mention the unobtanium outside of Area 51. You're in deep. If this gets back to our superiors were in so frighin deep. You screwed us man, the choppers are circling. I'm running for cover. Meet me at the prearranged spot. OUT!!

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06/12/2015 9:00 PM

My goodness, Tornado has mentioned the "ELEMENT that should not be spoken of" once again! Shouldn't we report him?

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06/12/2015 11:50 PM

After examining all of the requirements, There may be an alternative to the previously mentioned product. The use of that product is VERY restricted. You may not have sufficient ranking in the materials field to obtain the necessary permits for the use of this product. As an alternative, might I suggest rubber bungee straps. Available locally, and can be linked together to form the required lengths. Good luck.

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06/15/2015 4:16 PM

We use it all the time in Lubbock, what Century are you guys from? Heck, I can get it at Tractor Supply for $29.95 a sheet. (I didn't say how big the sheet was, now did I?)

Good luck with your project that has to do everything with pipes moving back and forth? Why? Nobody seems to know?

Is your project related to Whirled Piece?

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06/13/2015 5:28 PM

Have a custom hose made from kevlar cloth impregnated with polyurethane or polysulfide rubber.

LynDoor™Industries, Exotic Materials Division is closed for the summer.

Currently the U.S. Government is using all the Unobtanium we can supply to them, for undisclosed reasons.

Unclassified orders are presently on hold till the fall.

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06/13/2015 6:27 PM

Have you considered Tyvek - trade name for Dupont. (I have no affiliation)

Details here:

http://www.dupont.co.uk/products-and-services/construction-materials/tyvek-building-envelope/brands/tyvek-breather-membrane.html

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06/15/2015 5:02 PM

Butyl rubber.

Carbon fibre

Kevlar

Woven cotton.

Etc., etc.

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06/18/2015 9:07 AM

Because you have no quantification of the material properties you desire, there may be many that would suit your needs.

Carbon steel, nylon, rubber and Kevlar may all be candidates

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06/18/2015 1:25 PM

Nah, I say we forbid him to use anything but grey (or other colored) duct tape, until he figures out what he is attempting to do, and tells us all about it, up to the limit of his security clearance.

For all we know, he is building a dingbat catcher, and doing a really great job of it, AFAICT, with nothing other than a few words. It is an engineering snipe hunt.

Beware of snipe beaks, I hear they are long and needle-like, and will put your eye out, sort of like that BB gun you wanted for Christmas.

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