Is Telepathy Real?

What the hell?

"Let the states to be distinguished be the nonorthogonal states ψ 1 and ψ 1 +ψ 2 , where ψ 1 and ψ 2 can trigger the definite perception states χ1 and χ 2 of the observer, and the initial perception state of the observer be χ 0 . After interaction the corresponding entangled state of the whole system is respectively ψ 1 χ1 and ψ 1 χ1 +ψ 2 χ 2 ."

OK, what am I thinking?

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You'd need to be telepathic to understand that.

Of course real communication by telepathy is real.

The telepath was invented 200 years ago by Alexander Graham Morris Bell.

He's the great grandfather of Cathrine Bell who starred on JAG.

...and what a Belle she is!!!

whatever the states postulated by Hitek, that is not what I was thinking. My brain is in energy-saving mode today.

The variables are defined in the previous text of the link.

Here is another link that may help you understand.

http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.109.180501

My wife thinks she can read my thoughts. My thoughts have shown otherwise.

Shirley you jest....

"The physical nature of psi phenomena such as telepathy is an important problem in present science of consciousness. Scientists have basically confirmed the existence of telepathy phenomena through many strict experiments."

As far as I know, no strict experiments have confirmed telepathy phenomena.

When I was young, I was interested in this sort of thing, having read some books by J.B. Rhine. I got a deck of cards and tried to guess the suit before turning them up. (I know this is not telepathy but clairvoyance.)

Most of the time it didn't work, but occasionally I got several right in a row. I felt like "the power" was intermittent and if only I could maintain the right state of mind, I could do it consistently. Alas, later I realized that mathematically, runs like that are bound to occur in any random sequence.

It's all too easy to forget the hundred times it doesn't work and only remember a good sequence. In figuring the odds of an occurrence, it's very important that no "bad data" gets thrown away.

Magicians have a lot of tricks that appear to demonstrate telepathy. Interestingly, scientists are the easiest to fool, likely because they are used to dealing with mother nature, who, while mysterious sometimes, is totally honest and is not trying to mislead.

I think this paper begins with the premise that telepathy is real and then tries to explain how it works. I question the starting premise.

Let me think about it.

Read a little bit further...entangled brains???

Oh, definitely....

'Tele-'.....over a distance

'-path' .... disease or systemic corruption....

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So, that could be the transmission of corrupt ideas over a distance. The website and article you link seems to exemplify that pretty well.....so yeah, telepathy would appear to be real.

I knew you guys would say that.

Telepathology is real, though.

They say ESP is true.When your loved ones fall into trouble you will get some signal or disturbance unexplained.

Who are "they"?

Our elders who have gone through the mill of life.

Quite a few of us here are elders who have gone through many things! In 75 years, I have had two experiences which seemed to be ESP of some kind. I only remember a few details of one instance; I remember that there was a second, but that's all. Both occurred somewhere between 20 and 40 years ago.

Now that I think about it, it was roughly in the middle of that time frame that I suffered a serious case of meningitis and encephalitis. Perhaps there was a connection...

With only two possible instances in a pretty decent lifetime, I'm definitely on the skeptical side regarding telepathy. On the other hand, there are clearly electric currents flowing in our brains, and electric currents do produce electromagnetic waves, so it is conceivable that two brains could somehow be 'tuned' to communicate via such waves. Yet the two experiences I had occurred over distances of hundreds of miles; brain wave communication over that kind of distance with no focusing device is pretty hard to believe.

I once had an experience that seemed to be ESP. I was lying down with the window open, half asleep, and dreamed I was in my car and reaching down to turn on the heater blower. I clicked the switch and then there was the sound of the blower. At that moment, I woke up, and the blower sound was a car driving by in the street outside. It really left me with a spooky feeling, the fact that I dreamed of turning on the switch before the sound. It seemed like it was proof of ESP.

Since then I've read some books about how the brain works and found that all signals don't get to the brain at the same time. If you touch your foot, the nerve impulses from the foot reach the brain after impulses from the finger. Impulses from the finger reach the brain after vision, yet all three seem to occur simultaneously.

Your perception is not a recording of all the signals reaching the brain. The signals are rearranged and reordered by the brain to "make sense". This is what I believe happened in my dream. On hearing the sound, the brain created a memory of having turned on the switch and "time stamped" it before the sound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multisensory_integration

You know who "they" are.

oh wait.. oh wait..I am trying to read your mind to if its true...

What he will look like when he grows up. THUG LIFE!

About the human consciousness on the measurement of a quantum event:

I never liked the "privileged position" of the human consciousness on the measuring procedure of a quantum event, as it is suggested by the Copenhagen's approach. It is supposed that -after the measurement- the whole measuring system is in a superposition state until it is observed by a human observer. At this exact moment of the observation, the superposition of the whole system collapses giving the specific result (as observed by the human being).

In my humble opinion, the problem arises from the definition of "consciousness" itself. Consciousness is not a privilege of human beings. In fact, all animals have a "lower level" consciousness. (It is "really high" for humans -because of their high intelligence- and "high enough" for mammals in general.) In other words, the "consciousness" is a "fuzzy" concept. So, is really necessary the presence of "human's consciousness" for the collapse of the quantum superposition? Can an "animal's consciousness" cause such a collapse? (In fact, this is the "Schrödinger's cat" paradox.) After all, why should the "human's consciousness" be so special and significant? Are human beings a kind of "little gods"? No, we are just animals as well (somewhat smarter though… or so we think…).

So, I think that this is a wrong and shellfish approach. The "superposition collapse" (if such a thing exists) doesn't happen because of the human's consciousness.

Personally, I have the suspicion that the "superposition" does not really exist at all. It's just a "wrong perception" by humans because of lack of information (not lack of knowledge). I think that, in a deeper level, everything is very "specific" and very "real". But there is a kind of inherent lack of information (a kind of nature's "censorship") which leads to the non-predictability of the result of a quantum measurement.

About the whiteparer:

The writer does some assumptions that are under questioning:

1) [The telepathy is real and definitely exist.] I'm not sure about that. As far as I know, several experiments have been done, depicting a small positive (towards telepathy) statistical variation from the mean value (i.e. the 50%). But, probably, this variations lie inside the statistical error. A really large amount of experiments are needed (using the same persons under test) in order to be sure that there is, indeed, a persistent and severe positive divergence (e.g. a 70%). Moreover, are these experiments well-designed??? Are their results really "safe" in order to come into a "safe" conclusion??? (Many times, the experimenter may be prejudiced so he "finds out" what he wants to find out.

2) [The time of the perception is much less than the time of the super-position's collapse.] This is a very arbitrary and doubtful result. No one has ever actually witnessed the super-position collapse. If such a collapse really happens, it should be extremely fast and is very unlikely that the human mind (consciousness) could be able to observe such a procedure. After all, the "consciousness" itself (i.e. what I see) is just a change in the human's mind, consisting of thousands "quantum events" (neurons' activity). In which way this multi-procedure can be faster than the super-position collapse of the observed system?

Suppose you put a camera with a timer in Schroedinger's cat box. Does the wave-function collapse when the camera clicks, or does the camera's storage (film or flash card) exist in a undetermined state until someone looks at it. The truth is out there, but I don't think that is it.

What happened before humans evolved on this planet? Was everything in a fuzzy superposition, waiting for a species to evolve that was smart enough to collapse the wave-functions?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine_(Greg_Egan_novel)

I absolutely agree. Actually, there are two approaches about the super-position collapse: 1) The collapse happens because of the observer (nothing is real until it is observed by a human being). 2) The collapse happens because of the measurement, no matter if there is an observer or not. Hence, concerning your example: According to (1), the recording of the camera is in super-position state (no specific result has been recorded) until it is observed. According to (2), the recording of the camera is specific and very real from the begining. Of course, I prefer the (2).

I have asked a similar question before,although worded differently about an observer at

a long distance from the box,say a light year away.

It would take a year to observe the results.

What state is state of the cat in the meanwhile?

Does "reality" travel at the speed of light?

Would an observer half the distance away experience a different reality?

And if nothing exists until it is observed,then who observed the Big Bang?

To think that Man has a unique position and controls reality is insanely egotistical.

(IMHO).

(1) Who says reality is completely bound by the speed of light?

(2) What about Quantum Causality at a distance?

(3) If a tree falls in the forest, will my wife be mad at me for causing the loud racket 100 miles away? The answer to all questions regarding my wife is "yes". Especially, if the questions involve anger, self-righteousness, projection of mental pathology onto others, etc.

Your example is very interesting. I suppose that -in the case that an observer A is standing far away (e.g. 1 l.y. distance) from the quantum system- the super-position collapses right after the image of the measurement's result arrives at the A's eyes. Untill then, it is in a super-position state, i.e. there is no specific measurement's result. If so, this means that the system's collapse is instantaneous, no matter how far the system is. It is like the consciousness travels in an infinite speed. (One could say that this is non-locality.) Of course, if an observer B is standing 0,5 l.y. away from the quantum system -i.e. he observes the result earlier than the observer A- the super-position will occur right after B's observation. And, of course, both observers (A & B) will see the same specific result.

Again, I never liked this concept. I don't believe that the human consciousness has any kind of interfernence with the quantum system leading to the collapse of its super-position state. This collapse (if such a thing exists) should happen due to the interference of the measuring device with the quantum system, giving a specific result (even if no human being ever observes this measurement's result).

Let me add another layer to this onion.Suppose all 4 sides of the box collapse instantaneously at some undetermined time.The room containing the box is well lit from a direction that is oblique to the box.Presume,also, that if the cat is alive,it will be standing upright,and if dead,it will be lying down.An observer cannot see the cat,but he can see the shadow only,as in a semi transparent projector screen.Does the observation of the shadow affect the results?The cat has not been observed directly,but the condition of the cat can be inferred by the shadow.The light is turned off,and a second observer passes by the screen.He sees nothing.Has the state of the cat changed back to a super-position when the lights are turned off?For that matter,close your eyes.Does the universe collapse?And suddenly reappear when you open your eyes?In a local and subjective sense,it does,but in fact the world just keeps on turning.We all live within our own boxes.We only know that which we can sense via one of our senses.There is much more to the universe than we will or can ever know.Dark matter and energy have been "discovered" by inference,(warped spacetime),not direct observation.If the quantities of dark matter and dark energy are correct,we are the real "ghost in the machine."And yet some will deny the existence of anything beyond our detection methods.

I have experienced things in my life,which I will not detail here.

I am an analytical person,and try to trace back to the original domino, the cause of an event.

These would be considered coincidence by some,luck by others, a statistical fluke by others.

But as for me,within my box,my reality,miracles do exist.

A miracle is ridiculed by scientists because it is not repeatable,non duplicatable,so therefor it does not exist.

That's the way it is within their box,but not within mine.

When a person dies,some are all dressed up with nowhere to go.

Oups... A correction at the end of the 1st paragraph on my previous post:

"Of course, if an observer B is standing 0,5 l.y. away from the quantum system -i.e. he observes the result earlier than the observer A- the super-position collapse will occur right after B's observation. And, of course, both observers (A & B) will see the same specific result."

(I forgot the word "collapse"...)

My question: Is Schroedinger's cat doing his business in the cat box? If the cat is alive there will be "business" present after the fact, otherwise the cat is dead and there will be no business...just sayin'.

Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...

life is but a dream.

Since mankind is a fallen creature, truly are we not the ones in quarantine?

Let's take Schrodinger's cat experiment a little further:
Let's also put a sole observer in a larger box containing both the observer and the cat in
the box.
The cat's box is opened,and the state of the cat collapses into a fixed state,because it is
observed by the sole observer.
Is this collapsed state now universal,that is, outside of the box,or is it just a local effect of
having been observed by the sole observer?
If the sole observer dies,will the cat revert back to a state of uncertainty if another
observer appears on the scene at a later time?
I could cascade the box-within-a box scenario ad infinitum,and each layer would yield the
same question,without a certain answer.
I think the crux problem is "Knowledge" itself.
Can you know the state of the cat without knowing it?
Of course one cannot know something of which he has no knowledge,of some type.
The state of the cat is not in superposition,it is in a fixed state at any given time.
Which begs the question: Is everyone's reality confined to his personal "box"?
Einstein said it best:
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

I was just thinking about you. I must have opened the lid on the wrong box.

.....Robert W Service:The Cremation of Sam McGee

Why did they write the article? Couldn't they just send it in the air?:

If you believe in telekinesis,raise my hand.

If you believe in telekinesis, pull my finger......phhhhffffffttttt!!!!

Which finger buddy?

Let's keep this at least marginally clean, OK?