Breakfast with CR4

That could be a good solution, and easily implemented. There was a thread about it a few weeks ago. Another suggestion was allow readers to boot bad posts into a holding bin. That way, decent questions could still appear without delay.

The slowness of any action makes me wonder if these spammers are now IHS's principal class of paying customers.

If life gives you Spam, make baked Spam...

http://www.bing.com/search?q=baked%20spam%20recipes&pc=cosp&ptag=ADE7BA55154&form=CONBDF&conlogo=CT3210127

Fried Spam® is also quite yummy.

In South Korea Spam^TM is treated like Hickory Farms sausages, placed in gift packs with Easter bunny grass and the whole lot of other goodies. I think it sells well in Hawaii, too.

Another example of why Anonymous Posters are reviled here. With a few exceptions, most are idiots.

Thats simply because most A.P.s seem tell the "awkward" truth which is very hard for a few here to handle or accept!!

The old saying is "the truth hurts!"

So the first reaction to the truth, is to revile the messenger!

Just like in Rome years ago....which I find it VERY old fashioned myself!!

But as "J.J." is fond of saying "Sticks and stones will.....", I am sure that you Lyn know the rest as well as the rest of us!!

Hence "the truth messenger" hides his identity.....its simply human!!! And it also reduces the direct conflict from some rude, ignorant and loudmouthed (if that is possible on-line, but you know what I mean!) people on CR4.....

Now I know you won't agree with me on anything and on principle, but we will all now watch and see how you react to this!!!

DO have a good day!!!

Your lack of any reason is, at least, consistent.

Indeed, "If life gives you Spam, make baked Spam..." could be construed by some as the truth.

I'd stick to expounding on batteries, if I were you.

This "truth" just posted, "How to calculate FLOW RATE of superheated steam passing through a 100 NB dia pipeline with 12 Kg/sq.cm pressure and 400 deg C temperature?"

LOL!!

About as expected!!

"I have a phase shifting transformer with a core and coil of 1000000 lbs. Winding material is copper. What percentage of that weight would be copper?"

"I have diesel heater, and I have a data sheet with that heater, but I am not sure which data should I use to calculate a breaker size.

Air Top Evo 5500

Heat power (kW) 1.5 - 5.0 (5.5*)

Fuel Diesel

Fuel consumption (l/h) 0.17 - 0.60 (0.66*)

Rated voltage (V) 15 - 95 (130*)

Air flow against 0.5 mbar (m3 /h) 200 (220*)"

"We have two station bus A&Bof 6.6kV each bus fed with a station transformer saperately and both buses are connected with tie breakers at both buses for inter connectio in case of any station transformer fails. All tie feedres are mounted with energy meters at both the end. My question is when tie feeder energy meter running when sending the power from A to B are receiving power from B to A"

"How to calculate FLOW RATE of superheated steam passing through a 100 NB dia pipeline with 12 Kg/sq.cm pressure and 400 deg C temperature?"

...and your point is?

A perfectly valid one. Many if not most AP's are drivel.

But not all of them are, and assuming so is just rank bigotry.

I assume you were meaning to address Lyn with that......I somehow could not understand the point he was trying to make......nothing new there!!

But if you meant me, you should read my posts previous to that, you will see that I see good reasons for having AP comments....and mentioned them as well.....

You may have missed it!!

No, I didn't miss it. I said that Lyn made one valid point, but blew another. So even though my post replied to yours, it ultimately support you rather than him. (In this particular case, in which he and tcmtech are mistaken, no matter how much they are usually right.)

I wasn't sure, my apologies for my misunderstanding/misreading of your post.

Have a great day!

By the way, I feel we also need the TCMtechs, the Redfreds and the other "dissenters", as I am sure you will agree.....

They are often the Old Salt in our wounds soup!!

Post #11 does list exceptions and is not a blanket statement. [with a few exceptions]

(Here in the jungle, the internet is limited, if available at all)

Again, you are consistent. You miss most valid points.

By now, I should know better than to argue with you. Might as well argue with an AP.

And while we are at it can we ask to get rid of the AP capability as well for the hundredth plus time?

No. There is damned good reason to retain it.

Do explain being as I understand it there are more her who want it gone then kept.

If the reasoning is good enough I may reconsider my stand on it staying.

Argument ad populam is a logical fallacy.

I disagree completely with that statement.

We are not talking about a repeated fallacy, we are talking about the opinions of members who are not prone to repeating propaganda spewed by others.

Members either like AP's or they don't like AP's. Most are expressing their own feelings and not mechanically repeating someone else's opinion.

Three members do not make a tiger.

If you have a problem with that, just look it up in a dictionary.

Perhaps the most important reasons to permit anonymous posts are to enable whistle-blowing and to allow for job searches without jeopardizing the searcher's present job. Certain lucky persons might not need to care about such matters.

My own reasons for anonymous posting are not so noble as that, but then I'm not too worried about those scenarios. As for me, I frequently see humorous asides even to my accurate postings, and so I reply anonymously rather than just talk to myself. This occasionally backfires, such as when I get a GA that doesn't go to my credit. But usually it's worth it.

I believe I understand the concept well enough. As I said, few members here will just blindly repeat such a statement, and then proclaim it true.

Whistle blowing??? For what?

Job searches? Oh, come on.

The entire forum is anonymous.

You roundly complain when an AP votes you OT, by suggesting that they are cowardly.

If you want to defend anonymity, go ahead. But I think you need better justifications than you have presented so far.

Anonymous posts and replies are a separate issue, and I want to keep it separate from this discussion. I am referring to spammers registering with legitimate appearing user names.

The current system is not the worst possible and it is not the best possible. From the replies it doesn't meet the satisfaction of all users, there are approx. 74,000 of them. If all those who want it changed can come up with a system that is satisfactory for all of 10% of the 74,000 members, 7,400 members, then have a vote of all members. This would be a populous vote not an electoral college type. Vote for change or vote for stay.

If your side wins then shut up and make the changes or stay the same as it is. Don't make derogatory comments, just suck it up and live with the change/stay. If our country, where the majority of the members reside, can do this then we can. Is it really that hard to do?

Good Luck, Old Salt

I would disagree on the 74,000 number as being a valid reference to anything.

The typical active online number tends to fall well under 200 at most any given point in time. Heck a lot of times it's under 50 here at most.

To be honest of that 74,000 member group maybe .5% are actually regular contributing members if you were to count anyone who makes more than 10 posts a year as active.

tcmtech-

Go to the almost top right section of this page. There is rectangle titled "Site Directories". Go to the "Show Members" line and click on it. This brings you over to the "MEMBER DIRECTORY". On the next line is "Show: New Members | Member Bio Updates | All Members." Click on "All Members". This brings up 740 pages with approx. 100 names per page. My calculation for the 74,000 members was based on (100 members/page)*(740 pages of members) = 74,000. Simply put my data was based on what CR4 stated as their number of members, not my estimation of how many active members there are. Likewise for the number of members on at anyone time, 121 now on a late Sunday evening.

Where is the point where someone is an active member or not an active member? For this discussion only, example you and I. You have been a member for 6 years and have posted 5,830 times for 972 post/yr (2.6 posts/day). I have been a member for 8 years and have posted 2,056 times for 257 post/year (0.7 posts/day). Where is the point where a contributor is a member or not. Am I not a member and you are if the determining point is 1 post/day? Are we both members if the determining point is 1 post/2 days. Also, who is the mighty CR4 power that will determine all this? If it is left up to the "members" there won't even be a beginning since there wouldn't be enough similar viewpoints on where and how to start determining.

If it were to change, who is going to determine if it really is better? If not, at what point and how can it return to the previous process?

If they can come up with some really good changes for the good of all active participants I would support the changes. If they are small changes with questionable benefits, don't bother me with changes. The current system works, not perfectly but it works. My bet is that any size of group from the members, most frequent posters to the once a year posters, would be satisfied but not in love with the current system.

What is the saying, "the gear that squeaks gets all the attention" paraphrased that is? Yes, I do agree with you on a lot of your points!

Good Luck, Old Salt

That is my point and the reasons for it. Good Luck, Old Salt

For this site I would consider anyone who has made more than 10 posts over more than one thread and has been here at least once in the last 3 months to be an active member.
Even with a fairly lenient classification like that I still have suspicions we would have under 1000 people who would qualify to be termed active.

I understand your frustration with the spam. It frustrates me, too! On weekdays, we have a team that does cleanup every morning, as early as we can. On weekends we have one person who gets to it when possible. (Can't ask for much more than that on a weekend, and I started to lose my sanity when I checked 7 mornings a week, so it is what it is for now.)

We do have something in the works to give CR4 users the ability to help pull down spam posts. I'm hoping it'll be available in the next month or so.

Unfortunately, CR4 doesn't have a dedicated programmer to make a change any time we think of something new to implement. Our requests for projects have to be approved and then go into a queue to wait for development resources.

I can say quite firmly that the spammers are not in any way associated with IHS and they are not being tolerated. We are doing the best we can with the tools and people we have. No one person works solely on CR4; moderators do the best to look over the site when they can.

As always, your patience is appreciated!

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate that you all are doing the best that you can with this problem.

Oddly, since Saturday morning when I submitted this, there hasn't been any new spam appearing. Did I scare the spammers away?

SavvyExacta, thank you for your effort in making this site an exemplary site to others. Your selfless labour is highly appreciated. If one scan the posts for every day you make up your own mind and to open a discussion and join it if you think it is spam is a reflection on your own judgement, nothing to do with managing the site. Thank you again, Oomborrie.

Does anybody have a theory of the motives of the spam originator?

Sure, they want to direct you to their web sites where they can swindle you, and possibly infect your computer

Before I get that far, my BS filter gets clogged. I have to stop reading and back flush it.