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Hydrogen Gas From H20

07/15/2015 9:24 PM

I am interested in productng hydrogen gas from h20

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07/15/2015 9:47 PM

Give him some slack he is 70 years old!

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07/15/2015 10:06 PM

OK, some.

I'm 68 and I can use a search engine.

He was "an instructor at a community college a couple years ago".

He's probably smarter than I.

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07/16/2015 1:11 AM

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07/16/2015 10:11 AM

Its not a nice way you treat an old man. Sir lyn.

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07/19/2015 11:46 PM

Can a donkey call a donkey a donkey?

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07/17/2015 1:04 AM

Surely he produces enough gas all on his own at that age, I know I do!!!

I could run a car all on my owneo!!

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07/17/2015 12:06 PM

And I'm 73 yo and wont stop asking questions or enjoying technical discussions ever.

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07/20/2015 5:04 PM

I'm 72 and I can google, and I can split Hydrogen from h2o and from water! -- JHF

P.S. I also didn't notuce a question in there.

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07/20/2015 5:40 PM

Heat advisory! Stay indoors.

It's hotter there than it is in AZ.

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07/20/2015 5:50 PM

Ya, I worked at Central and the bypass in Hot Springs all last week. That is HOT Springs! -- JHF

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07/16/2015 3:34 PM

I have done a bit of research. I am aware of danger with hydrogen gas. My concern would be with regulating gas as in use as automotive fuel

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07/16/2015 3:46 PM

As already stated, it doesn't work.

Water-fuelled car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia says, in part: "The process of electrolysis can split water into hydrogen and oxygen, but it takes as much energy to take apart a water molecule as was released when the hydrogen was oxidized to form water. In fact, some energy would be lost in converting water to hydrogen and then burning the hydrogen because some waste heat would always be produced in the conversions"

The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary says, in part: "Here's the deal, people: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

It may be interesting to you as a novelty, but it won't work.

The additional load on your alternator to "split" the H2O will offset any fuel mileage gains you MIGHT realize.

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07/16/2015 3:48 PM

Ahh. See the numerous previous threads on CR4 regarding water electrolysis and the addition of hydrogen gas into internal combustion engines (vehicle and aeroplane) as many of us have been over this many times over the years on CR4.

The short answer is.........the addition of Hydrogen in to the air fuel mixture can be slightly beneficial BUT you will not save money on petrol as producing Hydrogen through water electrolysis uses far MORE petrol than it saves AND bottled hydrogen gas costs more to produce than it can save in MPG fuel savings.

If you are careful you can use bottled Hydrogen gas into the air stream but you will need to be very, very careful. The method is similar to how vehicle Nitrous Oxide injection systems work (just far MORE dangerous). Not sure how legal it is however.

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07/22/2015 12:58 PM

As of this year, Toyota is selling cars in California that run on Hydrogen. They have also spent millions of dollars setting up refill stations. Toyota has been selling fork trucks that run all day on hydrogen for more than 10 years.

Honda sells a hydrogen splitter that takes hydrogen from natural gas. Not really a very green way of obtaining hydrogen, but these are for sell on the market.

There are special design considerations for using hydrogen as a fuel. Lots of people have tried to promote using it as a booster for gasoline engines but that is mostly a lot of bunk and a good way to have an engine fire.

Be patient. The market will take us there if it turns out to be a good idea.

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07/17/2015 3:19 PM

When I was a kid, my kid brother and I use to make hydrogen gas in this manner. We'd hook up 2 wires to our model railroad transformer and use 2 plastic test tubes.

Oh boy, did we ever like to blow-up stuff. Naturally, my mom freaked out, since we were doing this grand experiment on the kitchen table and thought we'd burn down the house.

My dad on the other hand, would laugh and laugh, and even joined in the fun!

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07/15/2015 9:38 PM

As Lyn has indicated it is very simple, they commonly teach and demonstrate this in school (extracted both from air chemically and from water by electricity).

The older I get, the more I don't know

Really should have tried an internet search first. Be careful as Hydrogen is very dangerous.

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07/15/2015 9:39 PM

See other copy of thread.

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07/15/2015 9:45 PM

Good luck.

Look at safety measurements first. H2 is not to play with.

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07/15/2015 10:50 PM

We must first know the purpose or intended use....If it's for your car, forget that it doesn't work....If it's for a fuel cell, then what size? How much hydrogen will you need? Is it for a hobby size or do you need commercial quantities? What is your budget? Do you want plans to build it yourself, or a kit, or a turn key solution?

http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/#!advanced-technical-kits/c720

http://www.fuelcellstore.com/

http://www.amazon.com/CELL-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-ELECTRONICS-SAVER/dp/B003XRZIA4

http://www.making-hydrogen.com/hydrogen-generator.html

Too cool...

http://www.gizmag.com/the-horizon-fuel-cell-technologies-hydrofill-personal-desktop-hydrogen/13691/

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07/16/2015 9:44 AM

"If it's for your car, forget that it doesn't work"

Maybe a little misleading? Toyota currently offers a hydrogen powered car on the market and I am guessing other car manufacturers may also which is probably driving the OP's sudden interest.

Can you imagine attempting the results from use of a propane injection system for introducing hydrogen into the engine of any vehicle?

I am sure there will be many such endeavors in the future that will result in horrendous explosions which will not only affect the originator but also everyone around them for a very large area.

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07/17/2015 1:43 AM

Do they have a really hot model, perhaps called the "Hindenburg"?

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07/16/2015 3:51 AM

However it's done, don't forget that it will take more energy than you get from burning the hydrogen.

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07/16/2015 5:03 AM

Great! It's good to have interests, especially at your age.

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07/16/2015 12:29 PM

Electrolysis.

Next!

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07/17/2015 8:42 AM

Back in the 1970's a guy came through Ocala Florida in a Cadillac that he claimed ran on water. He had a hydrolysis set up in the trunk. I doubt anyone ever really took him seriously since he was spotted putting gas in the tank.

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07/17/2015 10:42 AM

Take two sheets of clear glass,with a gap in between,and sealed,except for the top.

Fill the gap with iron oxide(rust) powder.

Put in direct sunlight.

The gas emitted will be Hydrogen.

Good luck.

Oh yeah,by the way, hydrogen burns with an invisible flame.

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07/17/2015 3:13 PM

Eat lots of beans, a whole lot of them!

Oh wait, that makes Methane. My bad!

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