Solar Energy - Danger at Home?

Sleep well.

A guy who calls 3.5 to 5 kW a big solar installation?

That is about what everyone should need as a minimal solar requirement in the house.

Inverters with a name on it are tested on RF emission and are all within specs. Years ago, I have done extensive research in inverters and what they all have in common is a HF ??? chopper stage that is almost common now in each transformer less power supply. I have published here typical pattern photographs, taken with a digital 0-60 MHz scope.

In inverters, you will find typical chopper frequencies from 10kHz - 20kHz by these power ranges and this train of pulses usually doesn't make it outside the inverter housing, due to the filter at the end.

The HF transients and harmonics also do not well through line (pole) transformers, just like the "net" baby- phone applications are not working well when applied on 2 different legs.

I have panels as roof of a greenhouse (as a shade provider) and all lives well underneath, from colonies of ants, insects and the veggies.

Gosh, thanks for that answer.

So when the kids came up with pimples it was more puberty than related to the solar system.

I did sleep well indeed. Thanks!

Why am I not surprised!?

Did you check that reading with a "Stetzerizer"? HU? HU?

PS: Do rubber boots protect you from the 'dirty electricity' as well as from its bi product? -- JHF

You are right, it's total BS.

Thanks for confirmation!

dirty electricity hahahahahahaha!

Yeah, I am still wondering about that. Must be similar to "global warming".

if it does, it will just effect 2.5 minutes decrease in life span, i predict. Nah...does it make any difference than being exposed to EMF wave at 100KW radio or whatever radiation from telecommunication and MV power lines?

Yet it involves "Dirty Electricity". I was better be careful in my research! :-)

According to Dave Barry, most folks don't examine their electricity very closely. In fact, the electricity company has been selling us the same electricity over and over and charging us every time.

http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/Perl/Misc/electricity.txt

This is more than just BS. It is just a link to the "Stetzerizer" scam being directed at the tinfoil hat crowd"

we aren't all nuts

Me is! Not!

Del is!

Oh ha! Gotcha! I called the spam a spam!

I almost could not sleep because I was reading this just before I went to bed. Did keep a smile for a long time after . . . .

You're not supposed to hold the steering wheel while texting, you're supposed to steer with your knees! -- JHF

Yep! I have a female friend that was pulled over for doing 87 in a 55 while reading a book and talking on her cell phone.

She was bragging about it at work and the fact that the officer did not write her a ticket because she used her "womanly charms" to convince him otherwise.

I asked her how she kept the car between the lines and she said: "I use my knees and my cruise control, doesn't everybody?"

Both the officer and her are definitely candidates for a Darwin award in my opinion.

He also sells this on his website!!!

http://www.stetzerizer-us.com/Mens-Underwear-Blocks-Wi-Fi-and-Cell-Phone-Radiation_b_454.html

More comfortable than aluminum foil I guess.

I can't remember the last time I answered my mobile phone or tried to download something with my pen*s.

I guess I don't need the WI-FI blocking undies!

I can't remember the last time I answered my mobile phone or tried to download something with my pen*s.

Common, you are just it trying hard enough!

OK,

The last time I answered my mobile phone with my pen*s, I almost got arrested for indecent exposure!

No comment!

Unfortunately he is/was! A penny for a picture!

Where is the Eagle when you need him!

You'll nevvr know if you dont try!

I can't remember the last time I answered my mobile phone or tried to download something with my pen*s.

Though I have on occasion been accused of talking out my a$$!

He must have learned this from his army days. Lining the underpants with metal for what exactly?

What? You mean I need RF protection for my personal antenna? Although he may on to something as I have noticed that my perception of reception has fallen off a bit after 40 but I had no idea it was caused by RF exposure.

We educate you!

Must be the reason for the huge bulge?

So there is the reason why I could find nothing objective about this issue. Thanks for the warning and information!

Footnotes:

In 2000 (more than a decade ago) one country's Government, believed to be Sweden

This guy cannot even get his facts correct "believed to be Sweden" Really.

Let's all grab our tinfoil hats and sit under the Faraday cage umbrella!?!?!?

He just needs help!

I think he needs a hug?

Ask Troy if he is inclined!

Zo, you do not belief zolar radiation from zolar power ziztems iss killing you?

Den, vy do people die, smarty pants....

Del, is that you?

Oh bugger. There is still the option for crowd funding in case you want to relocate!

Statistically, the bed is the most hazardous location in the home. Because most people who die at home, die in bed.

Is this due to innerspring attenuation?

Spring material fatigue in the center of the mattress.

Hey! I'm serious here! I used the springs for an antenna on my crystal set. If anything would kill you WLS would..

WLS?

Work Like Stetzerizer?

Note: We have 92 other definitions for WLS in our Acronym Attic

You left at least one definition out: "Whiner's League Syndrome."

That could have been on the next page of acronyms?

WLS with Dick Biondi ?

I used the finger stop on the rotary phone for my antenna.

I give up! What is WLS?

Are you selling protection gear or not?

We are stabbing in the dark here!

What wave form is that?

Attempting to work the German phrase "Vorsprung durch Technik" in there somewhere. Still working on it...

You not really helping here! My inverter is basically just on the other side of the wall where my bed is!

WLS is an AM radio station transmitting from Chicago and at that time had 50,000 watts. Lyn guessed it.

You should ground your bed.

Ask this guy:

Or in the kitchen, which is why I've moved the bed out of the kitchen.

Most car accidents are within a mile of home, so I park a mile away and walk the rest

Del

Surely you know how to use the statistic!

One of the nicest guys I ever met, who carrier a Bible with him at all times and encouraged all participants to say grace at every business meal, screwed me for the most money ever on a project. When I confronted his accountant to get a bounced check to clear, he was packing up his desk to leave because the "nice guy" owner had skipped town with all the money. He came back and started a new company 5 years later and when I confronted him to demand payment, he pretended to be someone else and told everyone I was an insane stalker. I had to prove to the Police that he WAS the same person and was actually wanted by them, but by then he disappeared again. Everyone he did business with the SECOND time thought he was a really nice person...

When I look at someone's integrity, I don't listen to what they say. I look at their actions and weather they stand up and are forthright.

Anyone can be a big man in their own mind but ask them to prove it, that's a whole different story!

Its not a weather report ya know!

Autocorrect thought I was talking about the weather whether I wanted to or not!

At least it is not raining!

You can easily observed it yourself.

What is the source for that poster?

I think it would look great in the company lunchroom.

Animals have no integrity-they don't know what is it. We became like them when we become weak and tempted, some who succeed became psychedelic others who could tell the difference turn their way and regret.

2 sides in different stories. Some are blackened -clueless.

The wolves can tell.

All I can say Kulas, is whatever program you are using to translate this stuff is taking you to some very interesting places.

Or

Maybe YOU should lay of the Psychedelics for awhile.

Yes, submerging is a way of understanding the dynamics(it does not mean to understand all-leave a room for interest and perseverance- a hungry dog is better than a dead lion). I already established an manual over ride function, if just for in case, iteration goes to infinity. All I can say, is how I wish I was like this focus and wisdom seeker back in my college days. I would have established a different phase.

You better check your house for dirty electricity.

Its there, I can see the effects carry you away!

Do you live close to Troy?

If Solar energy is used in DC mode at a low voltage at which it is produced, I do not think there is any danger, more than what you have, when you travel in a car provided with a 12 V battery.

When you convert this low voltage into higher Alternating current, there could be some harm, but in no case more than what you are having in a house wired for electricity. But there are still some imponderables, with use of electricity and radiation, such as with mobiles, mobile towers etc., which have pro and anti sentiments, but unproven. One thing is certain; if you have solar panels on the roof, they will lessen the effects of UV radiation, since glass absorbs it.

Your last point means my panels don't get sun burned! Or the roof that its on doesnt.

So all good. Cheers and thanks!

Far out!

It appears that I am one of the few who believe that possibly (unproven) high frequencies, can be maybe a heath or a comfort risk.....I have an open mind on the subject.

If Solar systems that feed AC back into the grid are at fault (as you and others imply), its most probably due to the cheaper units that really only provide a a really low quality sine wave, with a lot of third harmonics (but just guessing!)

If you stay with DC and never convert to AC, you will probably find that the GS units remain far lower......

If you want AC for your own usage, may I recommend only the expensive converters with a proper sine wave output.....but even these have some harmonics, so a GS meter to check, might be a good point....

Though I have to admit that I have never ever heard of one till your post got me thinking.....

Almost any modern power supply, switched mode styles in particular, use relatively high frequencies to convert AC back to DC.....for example....

Radio systems, especially transmitters produce high frequencies all over our planet, even SAT beams to earth, are lighting us up with low level, but very high frequencies........

A well built Faraday Cage is the only way to avoid them completely.....

Interesting blog, thanks.

Simple rule, don't trust the word out of a horses backside!

I have seen the explanation and it seems something like Volt change per time. Fine with that. But I wanted the second opinion on its meaning.

Here is one question for you.

In a 24 Volt system is GS measured in 24V per what ever second or the other way around how would 2000 GS be related to a 24V system?

Would that be 24V in 83.3 seconds? Now that does not seem very health threatening.

In the article it says that 50 GS is considered save.

But then: more is less. Think about it.

50 Volt change in 2.08 seconds is more than 24V in 83.3 seconds.

I am calling BS on the units and its use! And so should you!

Dear Andy,

Grid tied Inverters are a different fruit in the basket.

They just "produce" no sine wave, but work on the contours of the existing, by the grid produced sine wave. They "scan" this wave like 10.000 to 20.000 times per second, analyze the real time value and add a little extra voltage on top to feed back to the grid.

The existing dirt on the grid is "processed" to a sine requirement in specific conditions, so that the sine wave is "optimized" before extra juice is added.

We are blessed with a very dirty grid, since we have a grid destroyer machine here that is working on electric power with all the motors thyristor controlled.

A walking drag line with a 2 story building size machine room.

The power company has 7 generators standby to feed this dragon and it still induces (up to 50% and more) distortion of the sine wave.

My inverter corrects minor shape forms but switches off when the grid sine shape is out of specs, rather than amplifying the misfits. It comes back online after reassuring the grid is back to specs.

The frequencies induced are all in the audio range range.

Assuming this, listening to music is deadly?

May I recommend instead the Lyndor Industries "Power Washer".

This handy device is guaranteed to "clean" your dirty electricity allowing you to remove the foil hat while sleeping without any ill effects.

It is small, Light weight, needs no batteries or receptacle as it is powered entirely by unicorn farts.

Take it away Lyn......

That website is pure, weapons-grade Balonium.

That while AimToLive thing is nothing but Homeopathy.

I, for one and extremely allergic to anything Homeopathic, it makes be break out in Omnicidal rages. (I use that line whenever someone offers me a homeopathic remedy. That, combined with a Slasher Smile and a Kubrick Stare, usually gets them to back away slowly, until they feel they're fare enough to just turn and run.)

(Then again, the Slasher Smile and Kubrick Stare combo is pretty unnerving even without help. Look at the opening scene of A Clockwork Orange for an example.)

Based on the symptoms...

· Headaches, usually unrelievable until leaving the house.

· Feeling of pressure in the head.

· Feeling of general unwellness.

· Breathing difficulty especially at night through the nose.

· Respiratory disorders for the first time in a lifetime, including pneumonia.

· Mood Changes - e.g. a whole-of-life placid person suddenly becomes snappy.

It sounds like parenthood.

It also sounds a lot like getting older in general.

Same effects, just different time scales. The kids 'age' you faster.

You nailed it!

Interesting stuff indeed. How long before we get a different meter for wind powered generators. The arguments about it have been ongoing for many years as well. As with just about anything, different people have different reactions to different things. Personally, I cannot say that I have had any adverse effects from solar of wind power generation, but,,, some people may claim they have. I must point out though, that I do not live or work on top of an installation of either one.

Actually, these EMF pulses are coming from disturbed souls trapped between worlds, who are upset with the fact that trees are threatened by solar panels.

The Stetzeritzer meter can be used in place of the meters commonly used by physic investigators. When used in conjunction with WTFdidjuhearthat audion recorders, great accuracy is established.

Another phenomena of modulated output is caused by raindrops, which act like tiny magnifying lenses during rare sunshine/rain events.

A good old forked branch will give you the same results eh?

You'll put your eye out!

Follow the MONEY! It is interesting that the Stetzerizer web site not only has meters, but, filters - surprise - surprise!

The instructions show that you probably need at least 2 filter at each receptacle.

I wonder why the filter does not go at the point of entry. At the point of use, all of the wiring is radiating 'dirty electricity'.

Maybe we should fill all of the electric boxes with soapy water and see if that cleans up the electricity. -- JHF

PS: I will worry about this as much as I will worry about the 500,000 volt transmission line a mile from my house.

I do not understand all this stuff about electricity from the sun. It is obvious that electricity comes from the walls.

That is a fact. I had an electric guitar that had some sort of headphone plug on it, which I changed to the standard NEMA 5-15P. Unfortunately, the guitar must have been faulty, as it burst into flames, which were bright against the darkened room.

So there is light in the guitar? What does the health report have on this?

that's too good to digest, gran'ma.

I decided that I wrap up the discussion with some serious observations.

While reading all the comments and some in particular but also when studying the issue further in the internet from given sources I came to the following conclusion:

Electric energy does indeed pose a risk to our health. I doubt that the effect is limited to solar power and I know for sure that the way it affects us is entirely different than some want us to believe.

Vincent sums up the effects of "Dirty Electricity" I while it was suggested its parent hood issues I think ADreasler nailed it.

I think I can prove (and I know a lot here with agree) that in comparison lets say to the medieval times electricity in general is a main contributing factor to us aging, getting way older than in former centuries.

This way we end up with all the little aging issues that is claimed to be an effect of the electricity around us.

Lets be clear we are getting older and have more problems while aging and we can claim that on the better live we have due to electricity. Yes there is very much a danger.

Isnt it also that most people die at home? Maybe a lot more die in aged care centres. There is no harm from our home. There is no harm from solar power. There is really also no harm to get old unless you forget your daily dose of Cr4p.

Right guys? I sleep better again and yet I have moments I wake up in the night and think: Did I forgot to switch off the PC? Gosh it is hard to get old, isnt it?

PS I also did not want Kulas to have the last response.

PSPS Oh and thanks for not slashing my math. I went terrible out with it! Must have been sleepwalking when I found the PC still switched on and . . .

Good Knight!

I like your equivocation to electricity increasing human lifespan, I have used tht argument myself. Before electric lights, untold thousands of people were injured every DAY by fires caused by candles and gas or kerosene lamps, not to mention the unknown damage caused by constantly breathing the fumes and CO. This is far MORE than have EVER died from exposure to electricity since its inception. John D. Rockefeller tried in vain to stop the use of electric lighting for years (because he sold kerosene and gas for lighting) but his argument was crushed under the weight of that statistic.

Here's another statistic for you. For a 10 year period from 2004 to 2013, the US NFPA conducted a study of electrical workers and in total, there were 924 deaths by electrocution. Another study from the Heatlh dept said that there are roughly 30,000 electrical workers per year treated for electric shock accidents, which one could extrapolate to mean 300,000 shocks of electrical workers needed hospital treatment in that 10 years, of which only 924 resulted in death, so a fatality rate of only 0.3%. These are people that came into DIRECT CONTACT with electricity to an extent that it required treatment, not some imaginary foo foo waves that cannot even be proven to exist...

Hardly frightening really. More people die in scalding accidents from boiling pots of water every year. Maybe we need to ban boiled water.

i support you on the BS vote!