Previous in Forum: Gallium Nitride - On Track of Larger Crystals at Lower Cost   Next in Forum: Baseball and Cricket
Close
Close
Close
10 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Associate

Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 25

Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 4:48 AM

Good morning,

For my upcoming DIY project I was wondering what kind of tube to use.

Urban Algae Canopy Milan Expo Project

In this project, algae will use CO2 (Carbondioxide) and sunlight to produce O2 (Oxygen).

Therefore, the tubing through which the algae circulates needs to let sunlight pass through.

The amount of sunlight that reaches the algae is the defining factor in how much CO2 is converted into O2.

This is why I'd like to know of what kind of material the tubes need to be.

The possible tubes I found are PFA, FEP and THV but recommendations are always appreciated.

Other thoughts about this or related topics are welcome.

I come from The Netherlands so perhaps not all information will be accessible for me.

Thank you for your time and effort in advance.

Kind regards,

Dennis Ulrich

CR4 ADMIN - email address removed

From the CR4 Rules: Do not post phone numbers or email addresses. The CR4 Admin will delete all phone numbers and email addresses posted in threads or comments. You can share this information via the CR4 internal messaging system.

__________________
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." - Aristotle
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Moses Lake, WA, USA, Thulcandra - The Silent Planet (C.S. Lewis)
Posts: 4216
Good Answers: 194
#1

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 5:06 AM

Why don't you use what they are using? Seems simple enough.

Have you thought of this: How much reduction in radiance will there be with accumulation of scum on the inside of the tubes?

__________________
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#2

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 6:36 AM

Consider quartz. I think it is used in UV sterilization systems because it is (nearly) transparent to UV.

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Engineering Fields - Retired Engineers / Mentors - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Fans of Old Computers - PDP 11 - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stronger Than The Storm
Posts: 2394
Good Answers: 203
#8
In reply to #2

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 10:46 PM

Yes, you are correct. Quartz is used with UV for dry sterilization of pharmaceutical manufacturing areas and many other types of areas that need "cleaned up" from bacteria, etc.. It is also used for sterilization of water, in particular drinking water. If the flow of water exceeds the capability of the UV lamp the cleanliness of the water decreases. If possible the apparatus is usually incorporated in some sort of pipe type configuration to reduce turbulence in the flow. If possible this is glass or metal with an inspection glass to see within the metal enclosure to check the operation and condition of the lamp.

Residential units of this type are now available.

GA for you!

Good Luck, Old Salt

__________________
Any day on the green side of the grass is a GREAT DAY!, --- me +++++++++. I believe creativity is an inherent part of everyone. --- Kermit T. Frog
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Retired Engineers / Mentors - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brecksville, OH
Posts: 1621
Good Answers: 18
#10
In reply to #8

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/12/2015 7:11 PM

Microbial sterilization is used quite widely and yes quartz tubes are used for the reasons you stated. Power requirements are minimal, but differing microbes require differing contact times. As noted above, checking for scum buildup is critical.

__________________
"Consensus Science got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" : Rephrase of Will Rogers Comment
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Project Managers & Project Engineers - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 623
Good Answers: 33
#3

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 7:07 AM

Algae live in ponds, puddles, lakes and oceans, not tubes. They can cover acres of surface area exposed to full sunlight, there is no way to replicate that in a tube regardless of its clarity which will certainly degrade constantly over time.

In a tube, only the algae on the perimeter will be exposed to sunlight, the bulk mass of algae inside will be in the dark.

You need a very wide thin film of exposure like a rectangular tube that is a 1/4" thick and a 150' wide.

__________________
Hey Isaac, catch! ...oops, that's gonna leave a mark...
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 482
#4

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 8:15 AM

My bet is with Tornado.

Plexiglass

__________________
The doctor said "just one post or reply aday in CR4, take it or leave it". I said, "what does that mean?"
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#5

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 5:08 PM

"One of the major issues in the cultivation of microalgae is light limitation, Dahmen says. "This limits the effective photosynthetic zone to the volume within five centimeters of the surface of a pond," he says. "Everything below that tends to be light prohibited because the top layer limits the light from getting in."

The same is true for photobioreactors, he adds. "So some people have tried various solutions like flat plates or hanging bags, and in effect, what they've done is limit the cultivation volumes in an attempt to drive up the surface area to volume ratio."

These small volumes allow light to penetrate better, according to Dahmen, but the problem is that it may lead to biofouling (the attachment of organisms to a surface in contact with water for a period of time) and the cost of pumping the algae around through the small volumes increases. "We're bringing the light to the algae with some proprietary optics located within the reactor," Dahmen says. "Cultivation volumes that are lit internally allow us to cultivate very efficiently in three dimensions."

The bioreactors Bodega is currently experimenting with are bench units made of acrylic. In the long term, however, the company is looking at shipping containers and possibly petroleum distilate storage tanks.

Dahmen describes open ponds as a "first-generation solution" to growing algae. "They're very land intensive because the effective cultivation area is limited to a very thin slice of growth medium, so the ponds have to expand, becoming very land hungry," he says. "Also, if you look at the areas receiving high amounts of natural sunlight or insolation where ponds make the most sense, you run into tremendous problems with evaporation as well as cross-contamination of cultures. When you start talking about acres and acres of ponds 16 inches deep, you've increased the surface area to the point where land consumption is a huge problem."

Open ponds are relatively cheap to build compared with bioreactors, though, Dahmen says. "But what we're seeing is a real need for cost-effective photobioreactors that can address the capital expense issues while offering efficient cultivation in large volumes."

Numerous other companies share Dahmen's perspectives, but have approached bioreactors in different ways. Solix Biofuels, recently named a part of the U.S. DOE's $44 million National Alliance for Advanced Biofuels and Bioproducts consortium, has attracted much attention in the past few years. Along with Colorado State University, Solix has developed specialized photobioreactor systems composed of long, closed plastic bags containing algae, which float in large water-filled metal tanks to control temperature and are injected with CO2 through tubing to optimize growth.

California-based OriginOil, another bioreactor contender, has a cooperative agreement with the U.S. DOE's Idaho National Laboratory for a multiphase algae research program. The company describes its Helix BioReactor as an advanced algae growth system that features a rotating vertical shaft with low-energy lights arranged in a helix/spiral pattern, resulting in a theoretically unlimited number of growth layers.

While these particular companies have focused on bioreactor development, some such as Washington-based Bioalgene Inc. have pursued both methods. "

http://biomassmagazine.com/articles/3618/open-ponds-versus-closed--bioreactors

http://www.seao2.com/algaebiofuels/

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#7
In reply to #5

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 7:28 PM
__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5197
Good Answers: 266
#6

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/11/2015 5:20 PM

The pipes you list pass UV. UV is used to sterilize. So it would not be beneficial to the algae. Look for tubing that is optically clear that has UV inhibiters.

__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 9
#9

Re: Algae Biosystem (Tubing)

11/12/2015 12:05 PM

I would use Acrylic Tubing or Plexiglass

(I think Quartz would be very expensive)

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 10 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

agua_doc (1); CNCfer (1); Legolaz (1); Massey (1); Mikerho (1); old salt (1); ozzb (1); SolarEagle (2); Tornado (1)

Previous in Forum: Gallium Nitride - On Track of Larger Crystals at Lower Cost   Next in Forum: Baseball and Cricket

Advertisement