Can Engineering Help Us Deal with Immigration Nightmares?

Yeah, sure, just copy some Third Reich engineering techniques and processes.

Seriously, we do this with people we release from jail. It is just like having to have a lock on your front door. It isn't about keeping honest people out. Locks keep people honest. Windows with glass......not so well.

It is about trust. If you are trustworthy and a good person, you have nothing to fear. Take the thing off and a SWAT team comes looking for you. When you have proven your trustworthiness or leave the country, it comes off.

If you stop and think about it, openly treating immigrants (people) like cattle is only going to cause more friction and resentment against the host country and CERTAINLY be used by people (read terrorists) to stir up more conflict.

Lets stick to just monitoring peoples locations with cell phones and satellites.

Seriously?

The Department of Homeland Security, FBI, and local state authorities have no capacity to track and analyze 10,000 new individuals and those organizations have already stated that.

Nor do they have any capacity to vet the people as they come in with any degree of certainty.

I think the gravity of this problem is much greater than most people realize. It's not that any significant number of these people are bad apples, but all it will take is a small team to slip through this course mesh sieve to change people's hearts and minds.

Did we not learn anything from Kate Steinle? I suspect not.

I disagree, THEY treat people here like cattle. The population as a whole....

As you may already know, Germany will have accepted over 800,000 refugees before the end of this year.

Almost 800 times more than the USA has.....who has promised to take a total of 10,000 by 2017!!

Many are sick and are to be found in every clinic or hospital as we invest our Euros in getting them healthy.

Here they treat our doctors and nurses like low grade servants. I was talking to a nurse last night at my Daughters 30th Birthday party, who has been shocked by the way the Syrian men grab her bust and rear as though that is allowed here....

They are deeply primitive people. That is where I see the real problems. Not even the Terrorists are the main problem and we WILL get that sorted too......its all new territory.....

It's all in here:

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2013-044-couden/

You know the answer to that a solid punch in the face.

It beats me why Saudi Arabia is not taking any of these refugees? they are all Muslims with lots of spare cash to help, the United Nations should be insisting.

They don't want them. They want them to flood non-Islamic countries. All part of the plan - for all to see.

I am happy we are an island if rather a large one,but unfortunately we have just inherited a stupid prime minister intent on sucking up to China and the UN and to hell with John Citizen.

Problem 1: when the tracker is removed how does the swat team find them? (this one is a biggie)

Problem 2: who is going to pay for these trackers?

Problem 3: who is going to monitor these trackers?

Just askin'.

that's been done, it wasn't so popular

they need to stay in their own land, it isn't our problem to solve

Seriously? No more international trade?

The ankle braclets only confirm (as far as I know - never worn or even seen one) that the wearer remains within x feet of a given location. They are a two part device, a central unit connected to a phone line sitting on a table inside a residence and the ankle bracelet that is worn. When the wearer goes past the programmed limit, the central station "reports" that fact.

I do not see how that would help in these circumstances.

Somewhat good, but one serious flaw is by taking all the good people out of Syria what will be left when the civil war ends?

If a significant portion of the remaining population is radicalized individuals, the resulting state will be just as nasty of a breeding ground as it is today.

Syria needs its people. What they don't need it a powerful minority left in power.

This is no different when a neighborhood starts to be encroached by drug dealers. One enough of the good people leave it slides downhill very fast, trapping those unfortunate enough to not be able to move out.

If there is anything engineering can contribute to this mess is a Root Cause Analysis followed by Corrective Action.

Finally, a cause for Six Sigma.

I am responding to immigration by need or choice. If they want to go back to their own country but cannot or won't because the reasons they left haven't been resolved (civil war, oppressive government, poor WiFi coverage), well that's a completely different issue isn't it.

I think it would be a great way to encourage people to mind their own more responsibly. We all have the problem of crazy people in every group. And there could be some new challenges, such as a smarter, sleek and maybe even fashionable.

Cell phones can be left behind. I'm talking about something with a profile about the size and shape of a watch, but un-removable until authorized.

By the way sometimes I compose offline, then copy and paste to prevent such losses. Technical glitch of the site.

You do realize this is one step away from imbedded chip human tracking?

Interesting that in order to feel safe and avoid lawsuits we are now overrun with cameras, voice recordings, wire taps, and possibly facing acceptance of electronic tracking of every human.

How much freedom are we willing to give up for the false security of "feeling safe"?

Nobody wants the CIA, FBI, or NSA to eavesdrop or profile but let something bad happen and listen to the uproar about preventing the crime before it happens.

An age old saying fits this occasion; "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, the probability is high that it is a duck."

This is no different from any other influx of foreign people seeking asylum...spread them out and it will be mostly unnoticed among the population...The United States is a country of refuge for the world...not all middle eastern people are terrorists, these people are fleeing terrorism not spreading it...is it possible that there are people within this group that are, or may become terrorists, yes, but the same can be said of your neighbor....You stand a much better chance of getting killed by lightning than by any terrorist act....

I agree that I myself probably won't get killed, but I don't want to see anybody else killed in a crowded stadium or subway. It only takes 2 or 3 out of 10000, and it doesn't matter if the other 9997 innocents are dispersed. Women and children may appear innocent, but they're being used as human bombs.

I'm not sure how you 'vet' someone fleeing a foreign country, go and interview their neighbors?

It just seems like a golden opportunity for these folks that are at war with us and the rest of the world to slip a few bombers in with the refugees.

Just my 2 cents.

Well I hate to break it to you but there are over 10 million people living in the US that are from middle eastern descent...

"The population of Middle Eastern Americans totals at least 10 million, combining the estimates for the Arab-American (3.7 million^[6]) and the Jewish-American (6.5 million)^[7] populations alone. This comes to more than 3.1% of the 318 million people in the US as of 2014.^[8] 82% of Middle Eastern Americans are U.S. citizens, with 63% born in the U.S."

And we'll need every one of them to cut the grass and wash dishes when President Trump tells all the Mexicans to go home.

Thank heavens the U.S. sees sense. The totally insane EU Monsters are still allowing completely unknown "immigrants" into Europe by the 100's thousands. Who knows how many are extremists? It's all part of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan. I won't go into the details here, but it's a horrifying plan to turn Europe into "Eurabia," and the current madmen/madwomen in charge are hell-bent on implementing it.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/620695/US-House-of-Representatives-passes-bill-restricting-settlement-Syrian-Iraqi-refugees

www.westernspring.co.uk

As I write this, I see this latter link marked as "maintenance mode." It's possible that access is being restricted. If so, then the evil EU is stretching out it's tentacles.

The social impacts of this migration are fairly obvious. This will continue to change Europe's cultural side.

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately shakes out.

In one sense it will help solve Europe's population age imbalance, which is driving Europe into insolvency.

Uh, oh - my link has been hijacked. What on earth ............ ? So that's what "maintenance" meant.

Right on! Especially on Trump.

That man has single-handedly bankrupted more contractors and subcontractors then anyone else I have ever known of.

He is well known for defaulting on his debts on every project he has ever been involved in.

He just recently stated that all American workers are overpaid and that all social programs need to be eliminated including Social Security.

Anyone that works for a living would be a fool to vote for Trump.

I am not a Donald Trump supporter, but what you have said seems out of context.

Mr. Trump said in an interview, "Our taxes are too high. Our wages are too high. We have to compete with other countries."

He also said that he doesn't support a minimum wage increase from $7.25 per hour to $15.00 per hour that candidate Bernie Sanders proposed.

I think the premise here is that if our cost for goods and services are too high it makes it difficult to compete on the world market. That is true, but also hinges on currency rates and tariffs imposed by different countries. Nevertheless, the idea is to increase exports so as to drive up GDP and the number of available jobs.

As for social programs such as Social Security, well, it is undeniably true that is one huge scam on the American populace. When you look at the amount of money invested by individuals and the actual amount paid back to individuals you find that workers are losing money.

Those same funds faithfully applied to a mutual fund would provide a far better rate of return. I worked the numbers once and found that even a modest wage with consistent savings will allow a person to retire independently wealthy.

The problem is that people lack the discipline to do that, so the government stepped in and said not to worry, we will do that for you - at a price.

What we have been taught and groomed to do is to be mindless to to the consequences of not doing the right thing because there is always a safety net to catch you should you fail or even fail to try.

That safety net is a costly enterprise. It robs us of our true potential since the consequences of not following the advice of our ancestors has been muted. That is why we have a US Census report from the fourth quarter of 2011 stating 49.2 percent of Americans received benefits of one form or another from one or more government programs. To me this is a worrying trend.

So, I understand Trump's message, but his delivery, as you would say, sucks. I can't speak to his financial record with defaulting debts nor see how that impacts his argument.

Mr. Trump said in an interview, "Our taxes are too high. Our wages are too high. We have to compete with other countries."

Sorry but the only taxes that are too high are those on the middle class and lower earning work force personnel.

All American companies and higher income people have enjoyed extremely lower taxes for quite some time now.

American wages are only increasing at a rate of 1 - 1.5% per annum while the cost of products are increasing at a rate of around 5-8% which is decimating consumer's buying power.

Manufacturing processes are very automated and therefore labor is but a very small portion of overhead production cost.

If you examine the true cost of production, blue-collar labor costs hover around 7-10% of the total overhead cost with some processes down around 3.5% while IT, advertising, and corporate salary bonuses are skyrocketing.

It used to be that a front line supervisor was expected to manage at least 25-30 people and today the average number of direct reports is 15 or less.

It is not high labor wages that is driving the cost of American products up.

It is greed, poor management, and excessive white-collar cost loading.

Despite these detrimental factors, most American manufacturing profit margins have been exceptionally high for years now.

Interesting that foreign car manufacturers have built new facilities in the USA and hired the so called low-output, high cost, out of work ex-autoworkers in their plants yet they are doing well in the market place sales arena due to high quality products.

This example alone should point out that our manufacturing woes are due to poor management practices and excessive white-collar loading.

A box of cereal production cost is less than $1.80 yet it sells for $5-$7. How much is enough profit margin?

My white collar is getting a bit tight so I probably should back off this subject.

At first Mr. Trump seemed like a shot in the arm. Now he seems like a moron. I just hope other people realize it before election time.

I meant to mark this as Off Topic, but you only get one chance for that.

Interestingly enough, sadly, there are many fools out there who take what he says as gospel.

Such as the single news report that several people were interviewed after if was ALLEGED that they were seen celebrating on a rooftop.

Trump says he saw THOUSANDS of people celebrating in Jersey City (I think) and now all of his flock of sheep are agreeing that they too saw this apparition.

Sadly, he believes this too.

The real power brokers will never allow Trump to be elected. He does not control the Electoral College.

Trump is a maniac with money.

Do you really believe that he can remove 10,000,000 people from this country who don't want to leave, as he claims?

Do you really believe that he can cause a 2,500 mile long, impenetrable fence to be built on the US Mexican border, AND MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT, as he claims?

Do you really believe that he can see the future and predict terrorist attacks, as he claims?

Do you really believe that he is the best thing to happen to America, as he claims?

Do you also really believe that no evidence (AT ALL) exists of his outrageous claims that thousands of Muslims cheered when WTC went down? Show me some proof.

The Star-Ledger | New Jersey Newspaper - NJ.com reported:

""Paterson police rushed to South Main Street, the center of the city's Middle Eastern community."

"When we got there, they were all in prayer," Paterson Police Chief Lawrence Spagnola said."

Trump is delusional and dangerous.

At the end of the day, Trump cannot accomplish any of the outrageous things he is claiming he will do.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the Congress (dysfunctional as it is) still makes the laws and controls the purse strings of the country.

The Donald won't have 535 yes men doing his bidding, if in the unlikely event that the Electoral College loses its collective mind and nominates him.

Facts are getting in the way of fanaticism.

Trump will surround himself with lackeys and yes men.

Spot on AH, spot on!

Preaching to the choir again?

At the risk of sounding like the poster boy for anarchy, kramarat, whose tortured soul burns in the perdition of reality, the horse is out of the barn and the bell cannot be un-rung on the entrenched villains of the Beltway.

Sanity has no place in the troughs of business and politics.

We're all fed up with perpetual politicians, perpetual fiscal cliffs begetting more contributions for them, perpetual election cycles, ad nauseam.

Hillary will, again, be the lesser of two evils come November next year if Trump somehow steals the nomination.

Economic reality would prevent mass deportation and fence building, before anything else.

Will someone, anyone, throw a bucket of water on that EVIL Witch?

What? Waste valuable water?

LOL Okay, can we use Dihydrogen Monoxide instead?

I don't think anything baryonic interacts with dark matter.

If we keep doing what we've always done, we'll keep getting what we've always gotten.

How to break the vicious cycle?

The Donald is not the answer.

Term limits. But how?

Ethics?

The problem is with the people. Unless things get bad enough, people will keep doing the same things, because they don't really care in the sense to put the effort in the selection process of representatives and leaders.

The other problem is the people's support of the media. Yes, the media is severely biased, but as long as the aggregate population keeps tuning in, buying, or clicking those organizations, what reason do they have to change?

This is simply a problem of apathy on the part of the voting public and their inferiors are more than cheerfully willing to take advantage of that vacuum.

Not only are they willing to step into that vacuum, but they conspire to remain there at the peril of the Union.

While this may be nothing new as history has demonstrated time and time again, this time I think that too much of a foundation has been laid for the folks to simply sweep out the social crud as they have in the past.

A Killery "Rotten-Crotch" Klinton supporter? Are you F-ing delusional? Even Trump is better that that lying murderous Beeoch.

She's more, actually worse, than the standard status quo of our Dear Feckless Leader. Opppsss, he's no leader. He leads from behind.

The only way to fix DC is either Revolution II, a US military coup, or widespread cleaning of the house (Congress and SCOTUS) including DRASTIC implementation of Congressional term limits, Campaign reform, and the eliminating the PACs, special interests, big $ interests, and the f-ing lawyers....to name a few.

So, you're advocating for a Socialist agenda?

Yeah, like that has ever worked once throughout history. You may go back to your Bernie coloring book now....

I agree with you Lyn and I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for asking the question. We already have too many Band-aids and broken programs. I simply wanted to ask the question before congress (the opposite of progress) had a chance.

To be clear, I would not want to see this happen. One way or another, we will continue to loose our privacy and freedom if nothing else works. Should each country really be that paranoid? I think it works against us to set programs in place that legitimizes the recognition or acknowledgement of radicals.

I don't want to see people bar coded either. Technology is not the root of all evil. That honor belongs to money. I knew the TSA stats before writing the question. I always say that, "Technology is great.......when it works". There, is the rub.

Come on. What good's it going to do if we shoot the ankle bracelet. It's not its fault the bozo wearing it went there.

I say shock bracelets that disable the wearer when they try to go outside their perimeter! And don't quit shocking until they drag their butts back inside the "fence".

Yeah? And where is all this green energy for the electricity to shock them going to come from?

Tesla batteries or supercaps that the wearers also have to lug around.

Lead acid may be better. Cheaper and it will seriously impact their sprint time.

What happens when they go to the grocery store which is oustide the acceptible range? Oh wait, they'll be on welfare so Meals on Wheels will be coming to their door.

Let's quit trying to help countries like we "helped" Iraq and Afghanistan recently and Viet Nam back in my era.

The age of Noblesse oblige has passed. It no longer works. Times, they have changed.

Would the world be a better place if we took in all those wanting to come here?

Or, would it be better to let Nature "thin the herd" as it has done for millions of years.

Where will these people go? What will they do? What language will they speak?

Will they be assets or liabilities?

I don't know, do you?

You should seriously consider to insert a chip in every single one of us.

This will fulfil your idea of engineering response to a criminal thread, but it will not prevent what happened or will happen.

You realise that the perpetrators are kids from immigrants? You realise that if you start giving them kids bracelets at some point the whole nation is wearing one?

To make it short see my first line.

You should seriously consider to insert a chip in every single one of us.

You joke, but the technology behind implantable consumer products is likely to be implemented in our lifetime.

Look what happened with cell phones and now cell phones with mobile computing and internet, people became used to them and now they are everywhere, almost taken for granted and exploitable by those who want to track our personal data and even location (be it for marketing or.......other purposes).

Where have you been?

It is coming sooner than anybody could have dreamed.

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Has there been a merger between Fox News and The Onion?

Ga, opened up the link, read the first paragraph NBC predict that in 2017, then got a barrage of spam including pictures of tits in my face so closed it all down.

Yah mainstream news media, you really know what you are doing online.

OOPs.

I'll report this to admin.

I feel that they need to be RFID chipped.

The Police could have scanners in every squad car (they are really cheap today), plus the complete technology is cheap and not so obvious as an anklet will be.

With technology advances they will get even smaller.

Anklets are easily removed as many prisoners over the years have proved....painlessly!!

Having shops all over with RFID at the doors, means that their movements can be tracked, the software just needs to "improved" by law.

Also immigrant living quarters can have readers, embedded in the walls and doorways.

They are more difficult to remove and leave a scar/wound if done. Weekly checks for validity. Especially at the beginning....

Illegal removal should make the person concerned, immediately a candidate for expulsion, as would refusal to have the chip implanted in the first place (its only a fairly thick needle, like a large injection needle). Local anaesthetic probably needed.

It may eventually be, before many more years have passed, a good idea for everyone to have them, I personally have nothing to hide and would allow that immediately if it would improve the security of myself, my family or my countries....also good for medical needs or dead body identification.

I am SURE that many here will see this as an intrusion into THEIR civil liberties and that ONLY the immigrants should have it done, but that is not equality or fairness, which is part of the US constitution as well as that of many other countries.

But I can already see at least a good case for ALL prisoners and ex prisoners to be chipped. As part of their sentence!!!

Persons who want to own and buy firearms and ammunition of the pistol type should be willing to accept this chipping as well.....(that should REALLY GET A FEW OF YOU "COOKING"!)

But ANYONE who REALLY wants to keep his family safe, should consider this possibility in a quiet and thoughtful manner, before running his mouth off against such security measures......

"times they are a changing!"

Arguing against such modern measures, is really working for the terrorists amongst us.....also the gangsters and other violent people back on the streets.

Of course there will be removals, but with the aid of DNA and photos they will be easily identified, just as they are today.......nothing is 100% all the time.....

I believe those RFID chips have an extremely limited range (600m in an open field), so you would need a whole lot of transponders to cover a meaningful area.

I suspect the transponders would be easy to spoof, too.

Then, who is going to do all the tracking? The cost of something like this would be HUGE.

I know that there are a whole group of paranoid organizations out there trying to sell this as the mark of the devil (personally, I don't want one), but I suspect the reality of this is nothing like the fantasy TV movies everyone seems to believe.

Limited range? So much for them to go visit their local Big Box hardware store to buy everyday hold hold items which can be easily transformed into homemade explosives, eh?

I could divulge which items, but then I'd have to decapitate you....

Hey, Mr. Big Box, you got anything I can use to remove some stumps?

I wish I could tell ya which products to buy. If I did, the Feds would be bashing down the front and back doors, as well as crawling through the windows wanting to wax my ass thinking I was a homegrown Tango.

Hint: you can find many under your kitchen sink and on the garage shelf.

May I suggest attending Combat Engineer School, Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, or Special Forces School at Ft. Benning, GA?

Either that or bone up on Uncle Fester recipes. (I don't know if any of that Loompanics Unlimited stuff is still around.)

That's what Hitler thought too.

Andy, you are a real nut case.

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches -​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism."

The problem is when such analogies are irrelevant. But when police-state measures are suggested, the analogies may become relevant. RFIDs and the like, on presumably innocent persons, fall into that category.

Good answer, but just because we can does not mean we should. Eliminating privacy seems to be the same as eliminating freedom. Speaking for myself, I don't want to see this happen. I didn't want to see airport security happen either, but it does make for a nice placebo if I don't think too much about its failure rate when I'm traveling.

The proliferation of cameras on every street corner has been useful from time to time, but I try not to worry about that either. I already deplore speed traps of any form. But then, I do try to obey the law. I just don't always focus on my speedometer, because that would be dangerous.

Performing background checks is not much in the way of security either and it takes a very long time. We'd like to do that too, but just like the stock market says, "past performance does not guarantee future performance".

Despite all the rhetoric, I think it was useful in bringing up the topic. Engineering has been used for both good and evil. It is just like NRA followers say, "Guns don't kill people; people kill people". Consequently, guns are everywhere here in the USA. I hope to be home when Open Season has been declared at the shopping Mall.

Guns represent a technology that has been turned against some of us. We can't decide what to do about that problem either.

Just a question for the OP.

So are you proposing that when Americans (or Australians) go to another country for an extended break, that they should also be "tagged" until they return to their home country?

The shoe should fit both ways in the process!

Absolutely! Who needs a visa when they can be tracked. The whole concept was based on holding people accountable. At the same time, I don't believe it will slow down crazy people because they don't care if they are caught. Theoretically, it might assist in locating bad guys during an attack, but it wouldn't necessarily prevent anything. And as easy as it is to miss-read the question, I don't condone this idea, I just thought I'd ask it before the politicians start kicking it around.

Realistically, a simple Faraday wrap would probably allow a computer tracked person to completely disappear off the map without violating any removal regulations. So, I don't really think the long term success is likely despite the other technical issues.

By the way, I never proposed that everyone (including citizens) would have to wear one. That would be unmanageable. We don't even manage drivers licenses very well. If people had to re-qualify every year to renew their license there would probably be a lot less traffic on the road. Eventually, technology may take over for driving automobiles thereby removing bad drivers. I'd welcome it. I'd get at least another couple hours of sleep every day if it were available. Very few bad drivers have any kind of criminal intent.

What makes this a good question is that it seems pretty clear to me technology is incapable of helping. It might not be so obvious, however, to Homeland Security. As ineffective as TSA has turned out to be, it should be obvious that technology is only as good as the people using it. It really is a shame that it has to be used at all. Only automation with artificial intelligence has a chance at replacing TSA agents, but automation can be fooled too.

If engineering is able to help, it will be something else entirely. I don't have the answers, only the questions.

That or change the law so it is legal to deport people you don't want that have made a new life in your country, then forcibly deport them back to where they originally came from.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11530732

As a representative of NZ to a representative of Aus, let me be the first one to say thanks.

Before anybody else starts blabbing words like "racist" "bigot" "Nazi" "Hitler" etc., you need to consider this and then reconsider:

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/

Our Western world is full of PC- indoctrinated people who love to chant these words in an effort to make them feel morally superior. These words are used as a put-down by people who cannot, or will not face the truth. It is the most insidious disease, but it all fits in with the New World Order:

David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle:-

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."
"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
by: David Rockefeller (1915- ) Internationalist billionaire, CFR kingpin, founder of the Trilateralist Commission, World Order Godfather.

So there we have it. That's where we are headed unless we the people can stop it. Maybe when your head is on the chopping block you might just get the time to yell out "RACIST."

I don't think that the ankle bracelet or RFID chip is the way to go. Can you imagine the outcries from the ACLU, LameStream Media (LSM), and Loony Left alone? Welcome to 1984....the New Normal. Not on my watch. Just don't let in any of them. Let Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc take them, as they haven't taken a single one of the Refugees to date. they know the dangers that these people present. How come our WH Occupier can't see that?

The TSA cannot even properly Vet these so-called Refugees. There's no records remaining in Syria to check against. Any how, it's been estimated by the U.N. that slightly over 70% of these people aren't even from Syria, but rather from other Islamic countries. Around 93% are men of fighting age. Where's the women and children, and old people, that the LSM is so fond of showing the Sheeple masses on the nightly newscasts? Hardly any of them whatsoever!

And then there's the issue of the 10,000 +/- fake Syrian Passports that the Greeks intercepted a month and a half ago, which we being smuggled into the EU. Feeling safe yet?

If I handed you a jar of 10,000 jelly beans and you know that 10% are full of poison, would you grab a handful and eat them? Somehow, I didn't think so. Even if the poison ones comprised 1% of the total, that equates to 100 Jihadis. All one has to do is to see what 8 of them did in Paris last Friday.

Emperor Barry and his minions have been talking about bringing in 100K (or more) of the refugees over the long haul. NFW! Over my dead body. It's a damn INVASION. Are people that blind to see it happening?

Yes - blind, brainwashed, left-wing luvvy-duvvies - the sort who would register as Conscientious Objectors in a war.

https://www.facebook.com/RepTreyGowdy/videos/1022334124489904/

Good link. Bit of a SNAFU when he appears to repeat himself.

Western Europe has cut it's own throat with their Socialist immigration policies. The EU is DEAD. This video may be 6 years old, but it's still very valid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Trust but Verify.

We as a free people can not compromise our values or identity as a Nation and thus can not expect our guest to either. Again, you can not punish or restrict based on probability or potential; that's NOT who we are.

However, a simple biometric screening system would be easy enough to implement; albeit costly.

When anyone, including a US Citizen, is convicted of a crime of a certain magnitude their Biometrics are collected and placed into a National Database.

http://www.tam.usace.army.mil/Portals/53/docs/UDC/Training/Biometrics%20101.pdf

If the person is a non-resident, they are deported. At each entry point into the US, any non US Citizens would have to go through say an Eye scan.

The cost would be implementation of an adequate number of screening stations at entry points.

Is it a perfect solution? No, but it maintains the values which we should maintain steadfast commitment to as a People and a Nation.

It doesn't punish the innocent other than longer queue times at entry, but even then a version of a TSA Pre-Check could be implemented that can obviously be revoked once a subject commits a crime.

In closing, once we enact ANY law or restriction that counters what is written at the base of the Statue of Liberty - we need to take her down.

<...Us...> ?

I'm not in agreement with "tagging" firearms. I view using that technology as a slippery slope down the Whabbitt Hole of no return.

What happens when a government goes rogue and therefore tyrannical? That same government can, from a technological standpoint, hack the codes and prevent all privately-owned firearms from operating, thus giving the armed Government the upper hand.

The people need to protect themselves, which is afforded to them as a God given right under the 2nd Amendment to resist a tyrannical GovMint. The founding Fathers included the 2A for a reason. Remember, they had just finished fighting the tyrannical British Crown during the Revolution. The 2A wasn't written to arm the Militia (today's National Guard), nor was intended for hunters, but rather the People. the Battles of Concord and Lexington were fought to resist a tyrannical and overbearing Britain trying to confiscate militia firearms, musket balls, and black powder. Too many people forget this. Or they failed to learn history's lessons.

If anything about the 20th Century teaches us is that severe gun control and confiscation led to the deaths of many Innocent's lives at the hands of their tyrannical governments, some 270 million people perished.....from the Ottoman Turks slaughtering the Armenians, to Hitler's gun confiscation and murderous rampage, to Stalin' numerous purges, to Mao's (twice), to Pol Pot, to Idi Amin, and many many others.

History tells us what happens, "when a government goes rogue and therefore tyrannical" but will we listen the the lessons of history. No.

RFID tagging does not have any controlling features on the device.

Your concept of "2A" is flawed in many ways.

God does not bestow the right to bear arms. Wars fought for God were the most brutal and barbaric ever.

I think the US Civil War rates right up there with brutality, but did not have much to do with religion.

Something like a total of 625,000 dead, including one-fifth of the adult population of the South using the cruel tools of the industrial revolution wielded by hate.

Flawed Lyn? No. Apparently you have never read the Federalist Papers then. I suggest that you do so...

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/history/the-founding-fathers-on-the-second-amendment

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/10/how-are-gun-rights-god-given-and-inalienable/

Then I direct you to the text of the "Declaration of Independence", on which the "Articles of Confederation", "Bill of Rights", and "U.S. Constitution" (together with it's Amendments) were subsequently constructed.

Also, pay close attention to the 9th Amendment and it's use of " unenumerated rights".....

Hacker's delight!

The more power you give to a government or agency, the more corrupt it will become.

Have we learned nothing from history? Even the IRS gets a pass for harassment of some politically oriented groups.

What have we to say? I don't mind because I am not of that group? Has history really taught us nothing?

Our founders were right. Limited government is best and I see no need to give such an organization more power than it absolutely needs.

There will always be those that are bent to cause suffering on others no matter what technology we employ. We are working the problem from the wrong angle. Technology is not the answer. This is a matter of the heart, it is the human condition, and the further we try to distance ourselves by putting walls of technology between us and our humanity, the further we get from resolving that conflict.

For anyone having nightmares about immigration, maybe psychiatry can help. Please proceed to forum CR6.

You are too remote to have an informed opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbMnA3uO9As