Worlds Tallest Inferno

Water weighs a LOT having to be "bucket-brigraded" up all those stairs!

8.33 LBS. /Gal

Cashing in some insurance bonds?

Evidently the hotel has gas heaters on the balconies it sounds like, and possibly the building has a flammable exterior coating on it....It sounds like the fire started on the exterior when a gas heater caught some drapes on fire somehow....but I'm just speculating...

"Dubai has been challenged by a series of tower fires. In February, a similar blaze spread along the external cladding of Dubai's 86-story Torch tower, one of the world's tallest residential buildings. There were no serious casualties in that fire. In October, another fire broke out in a high-rise residential tower in the Emirati city of Sharjah."

http://www.news.com.au/world/dubai-nye-skyscraper-blaze-caused-by-curtains-catching-fire/news-story/2cc19f1dc8d6147c0efb44265c74afab

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/01/new-years-eve-fire-burns-for-hours-at-dubai-luxury-hotel.html

Yeah, probably a bit of a design mistake to clad the building with kindling.
Gas heaters on the balconies.... (slaps furry head with paw)

Del

C'mon,, Torch Tower..?

And yet, it has not collapsed. Must have been built better than WTC 7.

Or the difference between one can of barbecue lighter fluid and 8,000 gallons of aviation jet fuel.

A but reactionary, don't you think?

Slow down and read again....this time for actual content. WTC 7 had no aviation fuel injected, and presumably no BBQ lighter fluid either.....yet neatly collapsed into its own footprint.

Yes, the CIA did it all covertly.

They found a way to rig these buildings with TONS of hidden explosives, miles of hidden wiring, thousands of neatly exposed structural members and everything else needed to implode them? Then, they convinced 4 airplane loads of people to fly themselves to sure and sudden death, all without anybody, anywhere on the planet knowing about it.

Do you really think, in your darkest moment of despair, that this would be within the realm of human possibility?

Really?

I'll get my tin foil hat and underwear and wait for your response.

Doesn't sound very likely. However that doesn't make the official explanation that WTC 7 fell neatly into its own footprint after minor internal fires somehow more believable.

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Highly improbable or practically impossible.... ruling out one does nothing to support the validity of the other. The basis of your argument is a fundamental logical falacy.

Is this a fundamental logical fallacy?

Footage that kills the conspiracy theories: Rare ... - Daily Mail

We can play the game that kramarat and I used to play where we each pick our favorite "proof" and then prove the other wrong.

If my conclusion is illogical, just call me crazy.

Yes, it is illogical to suggest that the unprecedented complete collapse of this type of building due to fire is somehow made more plausible by pointing out the improbable nature of theories proposed by conspiracy theorists.

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I believe the reason you are rehashing a response is because you are reacting to what you mistakenly believe is a rehash of something you have argued passionately against in the past. I am not asserting a conspiracy theory....only the implausibility of the official explanation. To suggest that implies a conspiracy necessarily rules out the pervasive influence of gross incompetence and the ability for the general consensus to be mostly wrong in certain instances.

No,

I am "rehashing" it because you made a ridiculous comparison between two totally unrelated incidents.

A 'ridiculous comparison'? It doesn't seem that ridiculous. Perhaps there is some other reason it makes you uncomfortable.

I am invoking the "Mark Twain" rule.

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'The "Mark Twain" rule'.

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The field is quite rich, but which might agree with your stance?

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'Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today'

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'Patriotism is supporting your government all the time, and your government when it deserves it'

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'Of course truth is stranger by than fiction; fiction has to make sense'

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'Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul'

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'It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt'

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'The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane '

You meant, "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

Oops. Yeah. Thanks.

The previous version probably applies to some other countries. :-)

Was that a butt reactionary? :-) That was meant as a joke.

I don't know much about building 7, but I guess after 8,000 gallons of aviation fuel get dumped into an adjacent building and it collapses, I wouldn't be surprised to see it become collateral damage.

Are you implying otherwise?

Why are we even rehashing this history?

Dubai has also been challenged by having more money than intelligence.

Terrorism? Bad design? or merely a bad risk assessment for the firework display?

Del

UAE and the building owners are not commenting officially, but building security claims the fire started on the outside of the building on the 20th floor.

How a fire starts on the outside of the building is a bit of a mystery to me.

We will have to wait and see what officially develops now that the fire is mostly out.

"We will have to wait and see what officially develops now that the fire is mostly out." I can tell you what the official determination will be--- another one of the biggest cover-ups blaming some factor or persons who had nothing to do with the ignition of the building. The one's with royalty, power or lots of money get to build these structures. They make their wallets fatter by putting the public at risk with shoddy design, workmanship and materials. What do they care about the other guy? NOTHING! They care about themselves and getting richer.

Have those fat money and arrogant creatures pull a dead person out of a burning structure like we had to early this morning. Several of the young guys were barfing in their SCBA masks having never seen a dead person who was burned over most of their body. The stench of burnt flesh stays with you for much longer than you think.

As far as the façade burning, that happens all the time. Usually they are made of Styrofoam with a masonry/epoxy coating. It catches on fire real easy and falls from the building as large pieces of flaming materials. Most of the residential houses that look like stucco really have this type of exterior surfaces. Masonry is too expensive.

In New York City several years ago there was an almost identical building fire. I don't remember the origin of the fire but the burn pattern and the materials were almost identical to the UAE building. The NYC fire also started on the exterior of the building.

The true answer will never be stated except by independent consultants who are motivated or paid to do an independent analysis.

Good Luck, Old Salt

You will find that buildings that have a fire on the outside have been cladded in a Magnesium metal finish..

This is a common sheeting sold by China to other countries.

If you look up Magnesium fire properties you will know why you should NOT use it as a cladding on a multi-storey building.

Boy - does that sh*t love fire.

I didn't do it. I have witnesses to my whereabouts this time. Really!

Reminds me of that movie, The Flaming Interno, or something like that.

It starred Bullitt, Butch Cassidy, Bonny Parker, Joe Gillis and others.

It won the Flushy Award that year.

Appy Yew Near!

Do you mean "The Towering Inferno"? 1974. Paul Newman, Steve McQueen, William Holden, Jennifer Jones, Fred Astaire, Faye Dunaway and O. J. Simpson among others. The Fire Chief and the building's architect had to work together to figure a way to get the people out of a poorly designed building from the perspective of fire.

Good Luck, Old Salt

The building with the fire is the Address Downtown Hotel, which is near the Burj Khalifa. The hotel is some 60 stories, so not as tall an inferno as the WTC was.

In many other countries the fire rating of "1", fire proof construction, of buildings is far from that in the US. Short cuts in construction, unapproved use of substitute materials, "Fashion vs. Fire Safety", and most of all corruption amongst all parties involved makes this type of disaster possible. Not to say it doesn't happen in the US but it is a fraction of what goes on in other areas of the world.

Very often the building structure itself (steel, concrete, etc.) is fire proof but the interior of the building and the exterior façade are not. Combine that with the high flammability and burning load, volume of fire, and high temperature of the newer style contents make this a mixture for disaster.

Best place to watch a structure fire such as this one is on the boob tube. The winds up there feed the fire, blow brands all around and some of them are 4' x 8' or larger from the façade. They usually kill people on the ground or start fires in adjacent buildings and areas.

Good Luck, Old Salt

The WTC was not designed with in mind a 747 crashing into it. The towers in Dubai obviously have design defects for damage to spread like it did. A fire cannot always be prevented, but that's where good design comes in; the prevention of fire spreading beyond a reasonable area. Not knowing the construction of the building, I can only assume it was because of flammable materials used where it should not have. I wonder if the architects still have a liability responsibility. In retrospect, I would say nothing is 100% perfect. No matter how much we try to create something that will satisfy requirements, there is always that elusive % that escapes us.

'The WTC was not designed with in mind a 747 crashing into it.'

Correct. It was designed to survive merely a 707 crashing into it.