Thoughts Go Out to Victims, Families and Rescuers in the Tragedy in Brussels

So terrible. I was shocked when I saw it.

terrorism is working.

When I woke up this morning (clock radio) and heard this. it toke some time to sink in as I listened.

This group has to be taking serious and dealt with accordingly.

Its may be a small number, but its not; a second string, a JV squad, it is fairly well organized and extremistly orchestrated. That one can't "negotiate with them". At least amateurs can't.

I agree, It's terrible.

Back in the late '90s and early 2000's I spent a fair amount of time in Brussels and became quite fond of the city (and the excellent chocolate). I can't say I was shocked but I am deeply saddened and angered by what's happened.

I feel the same.

Even if its another country, I feel attacked because it can happen anywhere.

There will always be a few nutters... what I find most sad and sickening is the other people who get cajoled into helping and supporting them when it is actually ruining their whole culture/religion/civilisation.
They live in a country that is supporting and accepting them... ok they may not be living in the lap of luxury, but neither are many other people.
Dunno what they actually want to achieve... a complete state of anarchy and repression? They will be better off in what way?

I think the maxim of "do no harm" should be widely taught rather than religious intolerance and extremism.

I s'pose it was ever thus, the few spoiling it for the many whether they be greedy bankers/global industrialist/arms manufacturers or soul-less extremeists. They are all incapable of empathising with the rest of us trying to get along in the daily grind.

I've got now't against suicide, but why people feel the need to take others with them is beyond me...

I also think it plays into the hands of those wanting the UK to leave Europe and pull up the metaphorical drawbridge

Del

So true... all because their norms don't match.

Frankly, one of the largest oppressors in the history of the world is religion... now I went and said it.

And it plays well in with the bankers and corporates.

Some people just throw their life away. Sad to say those idiots wanted to take others as well. Mind control is sickening and even to those who holds the puppets threads.

The way to defeat these "sleeper cells" for lack of better term, is to make retributions on the families and associates of these cowardly attackers after the fact. Make it known that if your family colludes with you in any way, shape, or form, or even complacently does not report suspicious activity (bomb manufacturing, meetings with thugs and other malcontents), that (1) complete and total loss of employment will ensue, (2) withdrawal of any government support is immediate, (3) denial of health benefits or any other government benefit, and (4) if the collusion rises to the level of accomplice, a wall and a firing squad. Immigrants will be invited to leave, and will possibly be "allowed" to walk back (and swim) to whence they came. If they have trouble getting there, a train ticket east will be provided, (in a cattle car).

I am totally out of patience with these barbarians. It is time to light their A**es up!

If they have concentrated into enclaves where police fear to tread, it is time to bust 'em up, and get rid of them. That is not assimilation into a culture, it is infestation of a culture. Draw a circle around them on the map, then start building a wall around the enclave, and tell them they can leave now as long as they head east, and keep going.

Those that remain until the wall is finished, can sit there and rot.

escalation?.... that's a tough one,.....maybe.

http://insights.globalspec.com/article/2238/suicide-bomb-detector-readied-for-market

Technology is wonderful and it has its applications but we need to get back to the good old HUMINT work because HUMINT works. It takes extraordinary patience, organization, and diligence, but the HUMINT payoff is much higher. Unfortunately, HUMINT takes years, even decades to develop. We need to get 'into' the community that breeds these terrorists if we are to effectively suppress their terror tactics. We need to get the bomber before they leave their door, not 'detect' them at the target site. Too many targets to protect, we need to neutralize the threat before deployment.

HUMINT, won't cure inbred/ingrained hatred.

This mindless fanaticism has existed for thousands of years. Children are taught to hate from birth those who do not share their religion.

Islam/Muslims, Serbs, Croats and God only knows who else all are taught hatred as a part of their upbringing.

I speak as a non-religious outsider/bystander who has only witnessed what I've seen on TV.

That is, except for the mistreatment/persecution of Blacks in the south by Whites, to which I was a witness.

I know HUMINT won't cure the disease but it would provide us the ability to intercept it before it can do damage.

"That is, except for the mistreatment/persecution of Blacks in the south by Whites, to which I was a witness."

Did you do anything about it?

No, I was 10 years old.

But, I'm trying to atone for those injustices now by entertaining people like you who, have no clue.

With that said.... anyone who starts a sentence such as this "I speak as a non-religious outsider/bystander ..."

Is usually the biggest offender of what he/she claims not to be.

Very sad indeed that 20 people were killed so savagely but keep this in perspective.

Cars accidents and reckless drivers kill over a 100 people a day in North America !

Guns users kill about 40 people a day in North America !

Terrorists and mass shooters kill much less than 1 person a day in North America !

Still sad but why do we let the sensation medias and the politicians con us into believing that it is so important? Ignore them and they will go away.

They only have meaning if we give them meaning.

Don't talk like a fool.

Car accidents are unintended, Terrorism is intended.

As far as guns, that just another agenda for you.

Think about it logically and you will realize that your answer applies to you much more than to me.

You are simply the victim of the desensitization from regular risks.

I actually evaluate the risks logically, according to their level.

You don't consider driving as a dangerous activity but it is almost the most dangerous one in your daily life. Drunk (or reckless) drivers are criminals who kill a lot of the people every day. My son is a fireman (first responder) and he sees unnecessary body tearing in car accident on a regular basis often caused by criminal negligence.

Weapons users in NA are often untrained people who are a great danger to others. This is not the case in Switzerland where training is required and very few "accidents" happen. Letting the kids (or the drunks) play with a loaded guns like it is done in NA is criminal.

"Think about it logically"

That'll never happen.

I see you ran out of preparation 'H' again..... next time,... don't take it orally.

Mr. Anonymous,

That is not the point I was drive at.

The point is..... No one (with a sound mind) intentional goes out to have an accident to kill themselves or others.

But a terrorist intentional goes out to kill or wreak havoc.

And its foolish to compare the two as though the intent is the same as justification.

Second, by comparing the two, in doing so one has to question, who is the one that is desensitized.... I believe the correct term from your previous post is psychological projection.

Again, we disagree.

If one drives drunk, that is a decision consciously made before the act. It is premeditated drunken driving.

Those who choose to do nothing to prevent the drunk driver from driving are just as guilty as the driver, or terrorist.

Now we're splitting hairs... But I still disagree..... And not because I enjoy disagreeing with you.

When drunk, it is a choice to drive... But,... the decision is made when you're impaired and not of sound mind...... Or body....

But we do agree on this.....

"Those who choose to do nothing to prevent the drunk driver from driving are just as guilty as the driver, or terrorist."

I wonder why this was posted anonymously, must have hit that Post anonymous button ... Dam big fingers on my dam iPad

I cannot believe anyone who would do this is of sound mind. We you, I and others, can't possibly understand why anybody could do this to total strangers.

But they do.

inebriation complicity?

Unfortunately, one of the people running for high office here deals in hatred and hysteria instead of facts. This particular person is a certifiable psychopath, but the people who worship him don't realize this. Just the same as Hitler did in Germany he's using totally unrelated terrorist acts such as this to whip the poorly educated masses into a frenzy of hatred for those who look different than the Joe-six-packs he is courting.

Logic has been thrown out the window by most of them. I fear that person has some worshipers here on this forum, as well.

Logic has been thrown out the window by most of them.

Most??.... I see all of them.

I am not supporting him, in favor of the one candidate who has a chance, and who is very good at doing what he says he will do.

I do agree with Gen. Ralph Peters when he states that those in contact with these terrorists prior to the attack, who know what they are doing, and are fearful or complacent enough to not "drop a dime" on them do deserve to lose their jobs, lose any help from our government, and possibly be deported. A certain form of political correctness has infected our thinking about how to best deal with any terrorists, no matter what "flavor" they are. If they are bad, deranged, and want to kill people, they need to be stopped (dead in their tracks, IMHO).

AP#2 has a sort of point here.

Statistics are that driving is far more dangerous (especially the likelihood of being killed in an "accident" by an illegal alien driving drunk) than being the victim of gun violence here in NA. In Switzerland, and I think in Israel, people are automatically inducted into the armed service (defense force) upon high school graduation. After basic training, they retain their issued weaponry. They continue with their education, their work, and their pleasure time. One does not hear of a lot of crime by their own citizens committed against other citizens. I suspect that if every criminal out there (and terrorists are just another form of criminal, albeit we have to respond to them with military force) knew that the people were armed to the teeth, and well-trained and proficient in the use of their weaponry, there would a hell of a lot less incidence of hitting "soft" targets, in effect, there would be no "soft" target.

"Statistics are that driving is far more dangerous (especially the likelihood of being killed in an "accident" by an illegal alien driving drunk) than being the victim of gun violence here in NA. In Switzerland,...."

That I would agree is, but that is not the context of his post

True that, but dealing with the complicity of those around the terrorists is on topic, and dealing with finding and putting the bomb making "factories" out of commission before they can harm innocents is on topic. I still say: "Arm and train, or train and arm the general public to the point that no one crazy or sane would dare attack." and also, "use a swarm of bumble bee drones, or honey bee drones (or train Africanized bees) to seek, sniff out these bomb building places, and emit a lot of allergens, and also emit or produce very high levels of static electricity in these places. Or just fly over them, and emit a small EMP. That would (1) kill the cell phone detonators, and (2) quite possibly be enough charge shock to activate the blast initiator. Two birds, one stone. Or maybe even a whole row of jail birds on a fence with one bullet, a really, really smart bullet.

How many of those gun users were suicide?

When will people realize the evil of Sharia Law? When will people realize which groups practice it or sympathize with it?

Somehow, still try to have fun today,

PAPADOC

My deepest condolences to the victim's families and friends.

We certainly need to find a way to stop these criminals but at the same time, we shouldn't throw away our liberties like we are presently doing.

My children will never experience the fun of going to the drug store to buy the two missing components to make black powder like we did when I was (we were) kid(s) many years ago. We would be put in jail now for making our own rockets like we did. Would I have become a prolific engineer without that?

Yes, fight the terrorists but don't give our freedom away. I don't want to live in a totalitarian country where my every moves are questioned and I am made "guilty until I can prove otherwise". Remember that our ancestors gave their lives to earn our disappearing freedom. Don let the terrorists win.

Are you completely sure you cannot buy items to make black powder rocket fuel? I used to do that as a child also. I suppose buying such things and ending up on some watch list can make for a really bad day, but I think there should be at least some way to legally buy such items for (1) educating your children, and (2) having fun or scientific curiosity, and you have a remote location to utilize where no one gets hurt. Or just go to the local gun shop and buy some black powder....

Not only that, if you are a clever chemist, you can make rocket fuel from dog poo, and some other household chemicals (not naming them for fear of liability issues). Just don't put your eye out.

My deepest sympathies to the innocent victims of this massacre. Now about your more general points, I couldn't have said it better myself. For one thing, what's the use of being "safe" when you willingly (?) give up one by one your freedoms? Think an American president had a saying about freedom and safety, and who actually deserves 'em. But my general concern here is that the same people from "upstairs" that try to convince me that this is the only way to go, just happens that also try to convince me about all the benefits of multicultural societies and show-off, a little more than expected, their humanitarian values -when it suits, of course- and are also the same people, that knowing from before the insane and criminal reactions of illiterate isla*onkeys when their arm is "twisted" a little more than appropriate especially inside their own countries, when for instance they are instructed to become "democracies" (or... else). By the way I don't believe that this attitude is islam-specific, it can emerge in any religious fanatic group. It is that very suicide element that makes them harder opponents, and that element REQUIRES religious or other "spiritual" background with expected... after-life benefits, blind "revenge" feeling, or plain insanity, manipulated and exploited by "leaders".

Now on multicultural communities, I'm not against 'em, there are examples that this is achievable, even long term, but it is also obvious that those communities are prone to instability by provocative actions even by third parties that have something in mind. Naturally, there is a magic solution to this "instability" problem, plus terorism problem. It's called Big Brother, and that's where this led might lead to. If you connect all the dots, it does smell funny... Enough crappy politics now. S.M.

I am pretty sure it was Benjamin Franklin who stated that, "Any Society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Those of us who smoke pipes, should put a bowl of that in our pipes and smoke it.

We have similar problems in the U.S. as you well know. There are segments of our population who appear to not make any effort to assimilate into our society and there are those who enable them to remain on the fringe rather than assimilate.

Immigrants in our past would maintain their rich cultural traditions but they also adopted and embraced our country and would be proud to say they were an American. Sadly, it seems to be less evident today.

C'est la vie.