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Best Wine for Hiding in a Wall

04/26/2016 10:52 AM

So, this isn't really an engineering question, unless maybe you're a chemical engineer, but I'm in the process of remodeling our master bath, and I'm replacing the sheet rock. It occurred to me that placing a bottle of something in the wall might be a fun treat for future owners of the house to find. At first I thought whiskey, but reading on line it seems that bottled spirits generally don't age in the bottle. So I thought how about a nice bottle of wine? What would be a good variety of wine that could be bought relatively cheap now, and would really improve over say, 20 years, tucked inside a bathroom wall? Or if not wine, what?

I also thought about hiding an old cell phone and charger, loaded with videos of the house, the neighborhood, and my family - an electronic time capsule of sorts.

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04/26/2016 11:01 AM

Treasure map.....

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04/26/2016 11:11 AM

For the love of god, Montressor, it should of course be amontillado.

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04/26/2016 1:41 PM

With a low acid paper copy of Poe's short story.

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04/26/2016 11:18 AM

I'd go with a brandy... or a champagne

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04/26/2016 11:36 AM

Well, wouldn't you know that somebody has written about inexpensive wines that age well? Check it out - http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/editor-picks-affordable-wines-for-aging

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04/27/2016 1:03 AM

Sorry, but that list is for wines that have already been aged. I wouldn't want to drink any of those wines in 20 years.

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04/26/2016 11:51 AM

The wine that was recovered from the English King Henry VIII's flagship "Mary Rose" when it was being lifted from its watery grave for conservation was described by a wine expert as "undrinkable".

<...fun...> How about a bottle of urine instead?

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04/26/2016 11:58 AM

How about a Hostess Twinkle then I hear with the preservative that they should keep well..... or a McDonalds Big Mac.

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04/26/2016 1:25 PM

Remember that anything with a cork should be stored in such a fashion that the cork remains wet.

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04/26/2016 1:50 PM

We watch those home rehab TV shows where they "demo" with a very large hammer and various other means to accomplish the most spectacular destruction. I can just imagine someone smashing an expensive bottle of wine!

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04/26/2016 2:06 PM

That has occurred to me. I'll have to put it up high or down low, maybe put 2x4s around it.

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04/26/2016 2:24 PM

Mess with their heads... put it in a shiny silver canister and date it 2216.

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04/26/2016 2:53 PM

Skip the 2216 date and put a radioactive label on it then dip it in light acid so that it slowly corrodes over the next unknown number of years.

That oughta get them thinking!

Or some animal skeletons with name tag collars on them.

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04/26/2016 3:34 PM

Whatever you do consider adding an electronic timer connected to the house electrical wiring and a sounder or speaker so it starts making a noise some time in the distant future.

What's the point of placing it if no one goes actively looking for it in the future?

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04/26/2016 3:43 PM

Maybe something that moans?

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04/26/2016 3:47 PM

The ghost of Prince.

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04/26/2016 3:50 PM

Well the future home owner would have to look up who prince was using 'Ask Jeeves' on the hyper-internet.

Yea, 'Ask Jeeves' makes a come back in the future, you just wait!

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04/26/2016 4:41 PM

I felt offended when they dropped "Jeeves" from Ask Jeeves. It became just Ask. Poor Jeeves.

It was similar to what I felt when they demoted Pluto.

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04/26/2016 5:06 PM

Jeeves was replaced by a machine when He protested for $15.00/hour minimum wage.

Don't fret thou,... I think I saw Jeeves as a greeter at Walmart last week.

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04/27/2016 12:25 PM

The minimum wage is $0.00/hour...which is what a lot of people will be making if the "minimum wage" becomes $15.00/hour.

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05/03/2016 11:57 AM

that's why Jeeves is @ Walmart.

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05/03/2016 1:26 PM

Remember the 'good old days,' way back when in the '50's? Back then it was considered that the American lifestyle was one man out working to support a wife and 2.3 kids, while the wife stayed home and raised the kids, kept the house tidy, and cooked a delicious dinner every evening? Now the American lifestyle is BOTH parents (if both are around) working long hours because wages have not kept up with expenses, and the kids are 'raised' by Public Televsion, or by HBO.

The average 'minimum wage earner' is not some pimply-faced teen looking to make a little extra spending money for the Sock Hop, it's typically a single mother, trying to keep a roof over her baby's head and food in her baby's mouth. The mother gets to eat once in a while, but she feels miserable for it, since every bite she takes of the meager sustenance is a bite her child will not get. THIS is the face of minimum wage, THIS is the person you are condemning to eternal poverty with a less-than-livable wage, and THIS is the person your tax dollars are subsidizing through Welfare?

So why not up the minimum wage? Let her earn enough to feed herself and her kid, let her earn enough that she can be taken off the Welfare roll, so your Welfare taxes will be reduced, let her earn enough that SHE can be taxed and pay back what she has 'taken' by being 'on the dole.'

What's that you say, the typical McD franchise only really earns 6 cents on the dollar, after food purchases, license fees and rent (all paid to Corporate HQ) are considered? Who's fault is that? Why does Corporate get to take 94% of the gross income without doing any of the real work?

I wonder if your indignation is aimed at the right direction. Why hate the poor for the 'crime' of being poor, when it is the 'one percenters' who are taking the lion's share of the wealth, without doing anything to really EARN that wealth, and locking it up in their private estates?

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05/03/2016 1:51 PM

Agreed... for the most part. My only beef is the proposed $15/hr. Not only is that a shockingly enormous jump and will bring the wrath of many, it disrupts the entire compensation structure for most companies. In this state, it is currently $7.25/hr. Due to absolutely inflexible wage limits handed down by my company's owner, I'm forced to hire "laborers" in my metals manufacturing facility for minimum wage. I'm embarrassed to have to offer such untenable compensation, but many are so desperate, they must take it. It should absolutely be raised. These aren't teenagers I'm hiring. They are semi-skilled adults with families. On the other hand, $15/hr is also what many of my skilled machinists and press operators earn here. People with years of hard earned experience. To suddenly bump up the unskilled and semi-skilled labor to the level of the skilled workers would be an impossible situation, for more reasons than simply budgetary reasons.

Yes, it should be raised considerably, but to a realistic level... perhaps something around $11.50 or $12.00 for unskilled labor, and go up from there. That's hardly rich, but a considerable rise in many people's standard of living. And it wouldn't bring so much push back. That amount is probably attainable. And it wouldn't wreck havoc on a company's wage structure, and the relationship between skilled employees and non-skilled.

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05/03/2016 1:55 PM

Agreed, I also believe that the jump will not add to the intelligence or quality of the work by the worker.

The total point is, it is an unskilled labor/work that was meant for part time work for college students or fresh High School Graduate/Drop outs.

It was never meant for a career, that was for the most part due to poor life's choices.

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05/03/2016 2:38 PM

Poor life choices? You mean these people CHOSE to:

  • be born to a poor family
  • grow up in a slum
  • have overworked and underpaid teachers try to educate them with no resources
  • be denied higher education because of their low economic standing, and frequent/constant cuts to education spending by the government
  • have all decent entry-level jobs shipped overseas to increase the profits of faceless Corporations

They actually CHOSE that life? You- I- (*SIGH*) I really try to avoid Ad Hominem attacks, they are crude, childish, and they do not bring anything useful to the debate, but I need to say this before I choke on my outrage:

Phoenix911, your head is so far up the GOP elephant's butt you're wearing it's trunk for a hat!

Not everyone gets into a bad situation from their own 'poor choices. Sometimes a person can do everything 'right' and still end up in a bad situation due to the acts of people outside their control. Sometimes a person is given only 'bad' options, and has to choose the 'lesser of two evils.' Sometimes a person may not even HAVE options in the first place.

By your use of 'poor life choices,' I suspect you are a believer in the Prosperity interpretation of the Bible, where everyone who is Good, Righteous, and Disciplined will Prosper' that Prosperity itself is a sign that God favors that person; that anyone who fails to Prosper is either Wicked or Weak-Willed. A lot of that group like to use the Book of Job to explain Prosperity: Job was a Good, Righteous man, and he Prospered. Then he was Tested by having his wealth and property taken, then his wife and children were slain to further Test him, then His health was taken to Test him further, and he finally broke and cursed God. God then spends most of the second half of the book admonishing Job for failing the Test. Job then repents, and has his Prosperity restored: His land and possessions are returned, his health returns, and he is given a new wife and starts a new happy family.

There's one detail there that always strikes me as discordant with the whole Prosperity teaching, using Job as the example: Job's first wife and first family DIE at God's hand to test Job, they did nothing Wicked or Weak, but they were still killed, and at the end of the story they're STILL dead. They did everything right and yet 'failed to Prosper.'

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05/03/2016 3:52 PM

Your post sounds like you're crying....

· be born to a poor family

Opportunity is still there and is not a reason

· grow up in a slum

Opportunity is still there, you have to stay focus, That's difficult part because the only one you can depend on is yourself

· have overworked and underpaid teachers try to educate them with no resources

The good teachers do it for other reason other than a pay check, I agree they are over worked and underpaid)

· be denied higher education because of their low economic standing, and frequent/constant cuts to education spending by the government

Denied education?, Pell Grants, and student loans are available. Too easily available. I'm just surprised that you didn't bring up the issue of they were taken advantage of by predator lenders and schools by having them take out six figure student loans for unsustainable degree in a market that's over saturated. Because instead of a poor life choice.... its actually someone else's fault.

· have all decent entry-level jobs shipped overseas to increase the profits of faceless Corporations

The world is flat. It's a world market and a world economy. But I agree about the faceless corporations and like to add the charitable foundations with a face Both are operating under the table. Things do run in cycles.

Now, my interpretations of poor life choices and not yours, as in:

  1. Dropping out of High School
  2. running into trouble with the law consistently
  3. Having children with multiple partners simultaneously, while being an absentee parent
  4. And then going onto having multiple children with multiple partners
  5. Believing they are smarter that the rest and that they have all the answers as well as answers for others (That should hit home with you adreasler)

I suggest you refrain from using religion , as far as myself, religion is a very corrupt organization that is only a tool used to control the actions of man. (see number 5, again hits home with you) You see believing in God and Believing in Religion are (2) separate entities..... don't put them together.

Now your preaching from Job.... I wonder who wrote and edited that book.

And this is a good...

I really try to avoid Ad Hominem attacks,

How about you take a position here? I'll help you out .....

ad ho·mi·nem

adverb & adjective

adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem

1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."vicious ad hominem attacks"

2. relating to or associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

And your comment:

They did everything right and yet 'failed to Prosper.'

Since when are there guarantees?

Failure is part of life. It's how you chose to handle it, that's the difference. Poor Life's Choices...

then if that wasn't enough, you bring up politics....

Phoenix911, your head is so far up the GOP elephant's butt you're wearing it's trunk for a hat!

Really, I can't tell the difference GOP or Democrat and I would rather not get involved...

The word that comes to mind of your post adreasler is hypocrite But that only my interpretation's as well as Merriam/Webster.

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05/03/2016 4:09 PM

How about this:

I was born to a poor family. I never went out to eat until I was 9 years old...and that was a Mom and Pop burger joint with no indoor seating.

I could not afford an education. I therefore joined the Navy after high school, and after doing my 4 years service, used the GI bill to attend college (something anyone can do, poor or otherwise).

In short, I started with nothing. I now own a small business with 24 employees. This was built with sacrifice and hard work.

The notion that someone poor must remain so is Yak squeeze.

And those who support this banter are just feeding the problem's existence.

I submit that "poor life choices" are real, and not fate. Having children before getting an education is a poor choice. Having 3 children and being unwed is a poor choice (I have several acquaintances who are examples).

Your bible rant is quite puzzling. Are you trying to associate religious lunacy with something or someone? What does Job have to do with "Best Wine for Hiding in a Wall"?

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05/04/2016 2:32 PM

adreasler rant....

he just had an axe to grind from a recent post between us that didn't fall to his political approval, that's all.

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05/03/2016 2:11 PM

"Due to absolutely inflexible wage limits handed down by my company's owner,"

Again, we're seeing a continuation of a theme. Just like McD Corporate squeezes the franchisees to keep wages low, your company's owner is squeezing you.

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Well, since the author of the Wooster & Jeeves stories (where we got the Jeeves archetype of the 'hyper-competent Gentleman's Gentleman from) is still around, and still writing Wooster & Jeeves stories, I can understand how he would be interested in defending his rights to control characters he has created, still has legal ownership of, and is still actively using.

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Jeeves was created by P.G. Woodhouse. Woodhouse died in 1975. The Wooster & Jeeves British television comedy show is an adaptation of Woodhouse's work.

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Wodehouse (albeit pronounced "woodhouse")

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My mistake (that'll teach me to think for myself instead of using Wikipedia to confirm my data). In any case, the Rights holders to the Wooster & Jeeves characters are still actively defending their ownership.

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04/26/2016 3:54 PM

The ideal temperature to store wine is 55° F. So I don't think it will age well.

Bottled Spirits may not age but would store much better.

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05/03/2016 2:34 PM

I would agree with you on the spirits. Stuff should last for generations, if stored properly to avoid any evaporation. Could even get one in a plastic bottle to prevent, hopefully, damage when someone decides to demolish/renovate.

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04/26/2016 5:54 PM

Too bad Michael Taylor Moore is no longer living. He was a madman genius winemaker who could advise well on unorthodox aging conditions.

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04/26/2016 6:37 PM

My father, brother and I built a house for my sister in 1965.

During construction, we put all the door keys on a nail nailed into an interior stud.

Didn't need them out in the country anyway.

After we had the house nearly finished, we looked for those keys.

Then we remembered where they were. They are still there. Inside a wall inside the house in the laundry room.

I like the idea of some type of time capsule.

Or, if you thing it might be awhile:

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04/27/2016 1:31 AM

The best wines for aging are wines with a lot of tannin, a lot of fruit and must have acidity. Choosing a good vintage is key as well as making sure you buy the right varietal. A grocery store bought wine is typically a wine that doesn't age well. You should try a store like BevMo and pick a 2012 Sonoma Cabernet Sauvingnon (red wine). Don't choose a bottle from a big winery, because it won't age well.

Here's why we age wine. When wines are made, the grape skins impart tannin into the wine. The tannin is what gives a red wind a drying effect when drinking it. You also get a sort of sweet bark-like taste in new wines - very undesirable. When you lay down a good bottle of wine (good doesn't necessarily mean expensive), the tannins slowly age. As they do, they impart interesting nuances in the wine. When you hear people talking about tasting things like truffles, leather, wet slate, gravel and other things that shouldn't be in a wine; that's from the tannin aging. This makes the wine interesting and a pleasure to drink. One other effect of the tannin aging is that the wine becomes smoother.

A couple years ago, we opened a bottle of our 1999 Napa Valley Cab (1999 was a very good year for Napa Cabs). We let the bottle open up (let some air get into it), then we drank it. When we tasted it, it brought us back to Thanksgiving dinner - all the aromas were in the wine and we tasted them as we drank the wine. We were stunned! We saved some bottles for next year and we planned to drink a couple just before Thanksgiving, to get us in the spirit. We opened the bottles, let them air out and then we drank the wine. It was still excellent wine, but the aromas of Thanksgiving were gone. That's what I love about drinking wine, you have your expectation, but sometimes there's a pleasant surprise!

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04/27/2016 7:55 AM

If you are Really serious, a bottle of Domaine de La Romandee Conti 1929 would be a very nice surprise.

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04/27/2016 8:06 AM

When I remodeled my kitchen years ago, I left a CDN $1 bill (no longer in circulation), a bottle of beer, a picture of my family, a hockey card and a bag of Cheetos hidden behind one of the cabinets.

Reminds me of the time when my dad removed a casing from an interior door of his home and found a postcard from 1911 behind it. The street was named something else back then and the author wrote to the daughter advising her to not feed eggs to the baby.

A friend of mine recently renovated his kitchen and found a paper bag with $60k in it.

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04/27/2016 9:10 AM

That helped to cover the cost of the renovation.

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04/27/2016 11:23 AM

Yep, and more!

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04/27/2016 12:04 PM

A regular Time capsule.... which may be better that wine.

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04/27/2016 2:37 PM

That was a "pay it forward" kind of thing. I've discovered things left behind (accidently or on purpose, I don't know) and the discovery always sent me into a sense of wonderment. That's one of the reasons I like really old buildings.

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04/27/2016 6:44 PM

I know... In the fall, when I get my winter jacket out and put it on... And find a 5 dollar bill in it from last spring.. I'm happy. So happy in fact, I take my girlfriend out for dinner..... Now I'm down $55.00.

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04/27/2016 7:02 PM

Actually, I regularly and purposely leave a $20 or more in various pockets of jackets and coats. It's ALWAYS a welcome find in a year or two. And my present self always thanks my former self for the kindness and consideration!

Just last winter I found eight $100 bills in a long black cashmere coat that I last wore to my father's funeral 4 years ago! It was my traveling money back then, when I had made the trip home. Thanx dad!

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04/27/2016 7:50 PM

I wish I knew what resturant you eat at.... I eat there too, bring my coat and when I leave then I'd trade-up with your coat. Thanks..... ;-)

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04/28/2016 9:11 AM

Are you sure it wasn't the laundry room?

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04/28/2016 10:14 AM

No, because my friend is still alive.

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04/28/2016 10:47 AM

Laundering money, get it. No, never mind.

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04/28/2016 11:01 AM

Mafia laundered money. Your mind does not work the way mine does. Have a happy day!

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04/28/2016 12:02 PM

It is good that we engineers do not all think alike.

Don't you think?

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04/28/2016 12:12 PM

"Don't you think?"

Not always. My wife would agree with me.

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05/10/2016 11:33 PM

Maybe a dead can and an old boot. Celtic legends lol.

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04/27/2016 10:54 AM

I've hidden items in every house I owned. I used to collect Playboy magazines, then started leaving them in attics under the insulation.

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04/27/2016 2:39 PM

Umm, aren't you supposed to leave them under the mattress?

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04/27/2016 2:21 PM

Rather than wine, perhaps paper money in a ziploc. Paper money degrades quickly in circulation and I would imagine in the not too distant future paper money may no longer exist (everything at that point being digital). It might be cool for someone 50 years from now to find some mint condition paper money. A twenty might not be a bad idea since they are going to change the face on it soon.

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04/28/2016 11:11 AM

My daughter tells me red wine ages best, due to the tannin content. (She's been trying to educate me about wine for some time now, with very limited success.)

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05/11/2016 9:46 AM

If you want to preserve almost anything for long term,get a length of PVC pipe of

appropriate diameter and length,and after priming and gluing on a cap to

one end, insert the article of interest,fill the cylinder with Nitrogen gas.

Hold the pipe vertical, and slowly feed in the nitrogen and watch for the overflow as

it fills from the bottom up..you will see when it overflows due to a change in the optic

properties of the cooler nitrogen.

Put a strong magnet inside to allow location with a metal detector.

Apply a pvc cap to the end,and you are set for the next millennium.

Now find a place to bury it that is not likely to be disturbed in the foreseeable future.

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05/11/2016 10:50 AM

I'm not sure that this is worth all of that effort. None the less, this is a clever approach.

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05/11/2016 11:03 AM

....as they call the bomb squad.

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