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Help Please - Calculate "Over Time Rate" for LED Emergency Lighting

05/04/2016 6:16 AM

I have been asked to provide a figure for this and I haven't a clue. Anyone able to give me a simple calculation? Please

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05/04/2016 6:45 AM

Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking how long emergency lighting will last running off battery power? If so you need to know the current draw of the LEDs and the rating of the battery in terms of amp-hours.

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05/04/2016 7:08 AM

Emergency lighting is required to provide illumination for 90 minutes from battery pack...

http://ulstandards.ul.com/standard/?id=924_9

Your battery pack must maintain a minimum lumens output for 90 minutes, and will typically last beyond that time in a diminishing capacity...

http://www-public.tnb.com/eel/docs/emergilite/Emergi-Lite_Emergency_Lighting_Design_Guide.pdf

The battery manufacturer should have a discharge time vs current draw chart for your battery....So you need the current draw, the available amp hours...

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05/04/2016 8:45 AM

Go back to calculus I: the integral of current over time is charge. Charge has units of coulombs, Faradays, or millamp-hours, amp-hours, kiloamp-hours, etc.

Example: Your backup power (for emergency lighting example) has a charge rating Qr of 1 amp-hour. After level draw of current on this battery for 1 amp-hour, the potential of the supply will drop off (semi-sharply, but is not a step function). Suppose that after the rated charge is dissipated, the decline is such that supplied current has a time slope of -1. This means that δ2Q/δ2t=0; t<t(Qr), δ2Q/δ2t = -1 ; t>t(Qr), and δ2Q/δ2t = 0 ; t>t(Q=0). This is not likely to be a "real" battery. We also know that δQ/δt =I(t), current, and is constant early on, proportional to (t(Qr)-t) during roll off of potential, and at total discharge I->0 in the limit.

Suppose now that your lighting fixture has a nominal current draw of 100 mA. This means that (1) you better have good night vision because this is a weak light source, and (2) 1 amp-hour will be reached (Qr) in precisely 10 hours. With a slope factor of -1, this means that the area under the current triangle is somewhere around 1/2Qr (W.A.G.), and the time to cut out depends on two things: (a) the time until forward bias of the LED lighting fixture is no longer supplied, and (b) the time until current available is less than the critical current for minimum acceptable lumens is reached.

If the critical current is more important (and I think it is), say that is half the nominal current draw. This time increment is precisely the time required to reach Qr plus half that time, thus the time over current is time and half a time, or 15 hours.

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05/04/2016 9:03 AM

Time and one half the normal hourly rate on anything over 40 hours during the week and double time for Sundays and holidays.

That's the going rate here in the USA.

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05/04/2016 9:40 AM

Beat me to it. Nice job. I'll put you in for a bonus.

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05/04/2016 9:55 AM

Thanks, I could use a bonus!

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05/04/2016 11:36 AM

I thought you were with the Redundancy Division of the Department of Redundancy?

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05/04/2016 6:41 PM

I am the Senior Vice-Deputy Executive Undersecretary of the Directorate of the Department of Redundancy Department's Redundancy Division.

One of our latest accomplishments was the Federal Medicare Healthcare Monetary Cost Abatement, Reduction and Control and Containment Project.

Here are the benchmarks we accomplished compared to Veterans Affairs costs:

We're still running the numbers for 2003. We expect to have those by 2019, if the latest software glitches are effective.

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05/04/2016 7:12 PM

Now here's a prideful man who will take irrelevancy to a whole new level..

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05/04/2016 9:01 PM

Yeah but the VA is probably using Chinese knockoffs...

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05/04/2016 9:27 PM

Yeah, we (the taxpayer) are being screwed. This is the problem when 'insurance' pays for it. If it were your 'own' money, you'd shop around and demand the best price. The other problem is that when 'insurance' pays for it, you are much less likely to even ask if you 'need' it.

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05/05/2016 1:06 AM

Is this with or with out O'bammer care cost??

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05/04/2016 10:01 AM

Regards Lyn. Nice one

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05/04/2016 3:42 PM

I can't let this go as the only post that has a GA rating that's irrelevant to the question.

to match your irrelevancy... I'll give you an irrelevant GA,.. as well as a relevant GA to an earlier post that is relevant. Relatively speaking...

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05/04/2016 5:20 PM

May the Fourth be with you.

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05/05/2016 12:55 AM

Thtop it!

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05/05/2016 8:39 AM

Now,,, that all depends on what it says in your collective agreement.

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05/05/2016 3:46 AM

You haven't also been tasked with sourcing a left-handed screwdriver have you?

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