Previous in Forum: Motor Power Calculator   Next in Forum: Change in Input energy
Close
Close
Close
23 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19

Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 2:15 AM

I am designing a evaporator for absorption refrigeration system. I have to produce refrigeration effect to cool air to 25deg C when ambient in 40deg C. What should I keep evaporator temperature?

What is effect of evaporator temperature on air conditioning?

Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: air conditioning refrigerartion
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#1

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 3:05 AM

I'd start with basics on heat transfer to cover the general aspect of your question.

Then you move on to look into Absorption_refrigerator systems and its inner details.

Then you can start designing a system like this. Is this for an air conditioning system?

Answers are given in the link. Keep it low!

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 3:15 AM

Yes it is air refrigeration system. I want air at 25 deg C so do I need to keep temperature of evaporator = -33 deg C at 1 bar (which is economic) or 10 deg C at 6 bar will do my work? (costly, maintaining high pressure is costly).

Now as refrigeration is caused by chilling water which passes through evaporator and gains heat from the air inside the room. Does the evaporator temperature creates any difference?

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 3:28 AM

Did you read the wiki article? Water at -33 deg 1 bar is ice!

Low chance of evaporation there! You need to get your process definition right and /or your terminology.

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#8
In reply to #3

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:26 AM

The post is in Mechanical Engineering. Ice is a solid and has predictable mechanical properties, so much so that the Russians have construction standards for building railway lines across frozen lakes and rivers, for example. So long as it doesn't evaporate, everything is fine.

Getting Mechanical Engineers to design processes is like getting Grave Diggers to paint flagpoles.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#12
In reply to #8

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:54 AM

Maybe it is not our fault! Asking an engineer something that is obvious to him might not get you any results because:

1. engineer does not understand the question

2. there is a possibility an engineer answers too complicated where an easy answer could have done (see point 1)

3. The answer will not be understood even so it covers the question quite well.

Ice evaporation is called sublimation right?

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19
#13
In reply to #12

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:58 AM

Which point you are talking about? Can you write it again. I am not able to find it.

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19
#9
In reply to #3

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:39 AM

the refrigerant is not water, it is ammonia

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#10
In reply to #9

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:44 AM

Refer to point one in my first post then!

You need to cover your basic heat transfer questions!

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19
#11
In reply to #10

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:48 AM

I will cover it. Can you give some solution rather than advice!

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#14
In reply to #11

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 5:25 AM

I am usually getting paid for solutions. You are not asking for a solution or do you?

You are asking for advice, right?

So my advice would be to make a schematic and then put all process parameters that you are interested in on that schematic and do the necessary calculations of what teh other parameters can and should be.
You start with the known parameters and calculate all others based on the physical processes that you know are taking place in the places called evaporator, condensor and so forth....

The thing you are looking for and helps you the most is "effort"!

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#7
In reply to #2

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:22 AM

The evaporating temperature should be about 10dC, maybe as low as 5dC, but definitely no lower than 0dC, or else the coil will freeze up.

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#4

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 3:37 AM

"Air conditioning".

There is no need to design. One simply gives parameters to suppliers and selects.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#5

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 3:41 AM

You must get to the basics of heat...what you are concerned with is removing heat from one place and transferring it to another place....To determine the amount of heat you must convert to BTU's...To get that you must calculate heat load....

http://absorptionchiller4u.blogspot.com/search/label/absorption%20chiller

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:07 AM

The drop of temperature across the evaporator coil is relative to the incoming air temperature, relative humidity, and volume vs the size and capacity of the coil.... so it changes...that's why we have thermostatically controlled expansion valves...typically the air temperature drop can be anywhere from 14°F to 22°F.....The size and capacity of the evaporator coil is sized to the volume of air you need to condition, typically 400cuft a minute, per ton(12,000 btu's) of cooling...the temperature of the evaporator coil needs to consistently be below the dew point of the air you are conditioning...

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7025
Good Answers: 207
#20
In reply to #5

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 5:41 PM

why plagiarize work that was figured out before you wee born?

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1296
Good Answers: 104
#15

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 7:13 AM

Your question implies that you are directly cooling room air in the evaporator. You shouldn't do this, as it creates a safety hazard. In the event of a leak, you'd be leaking deadly ammonia into the closed space. That is one reason a chilled water loop is used.

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19
#16
In reply to #15

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 7:21 AM

No. I am not directly cooling the space. Heat is first transferred to chilling water from evaporator then it transferred to the room.

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#17
In reply to #16

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 7:43 AM

<...to chilling water from evaporator then it transferred to the room...>

That doesn't make sense. The purpose of a chilled water circuit is to remove heat, not to add it to a room.

Is this project in need of a properly-experienced local Process Engineer? If so, then do hire one.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#21
In reply to #16

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 9:19 PM

So air conditioning is out the door. We are into heating now. Fine. Next advice is there is no evaporator needed.

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#18

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 3:47 PM

Amendment to post 7.

With a secondary coolant (water) involved, the ammonia evaporating temperature can be a bit lower, say 2-4dC; with an evaporator pressure regulator to ensure it goes no lower.

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Moses Lake, WA, USA, Thulcandra - The Silent Planet (C.S. Lewis)
Posts: 4216
Good Answers: 194
#19

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/19/2016 4:13 PM

Wow! Just a couple of days ago, you were wondering how a condenser worked and now you are designing a condenser!

Do you have a formal education in engineering?

__________________
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Tamworth, UK.
Posts: 1782
Good Answers: 45
#22

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/20/2016 8:22 AM

You need a supply of cold water below 25C fed to an air-cooler (a heating radiator in reverse) that will take heat from the air at 40C - maybe with thermostats to regulate it to 25C.

Heat transfers at a rate proportional to the temperature difference and area of the cooler. The 'hot' water goes back to the evaporator where it is cooled down to below 25C but above 0C (to avoid ice).

You need to do heat balance calculations to work out air-cooler areas and temperature difference of the inlet and outlet cooling water, and reflect this back to the evaporator.

Providing your system is large enough to handle full load, for practical reasons it does not matter too much what the absorber temperature/pressure is, as long as the temperature controls within the absorber are set to prevent freezing of the cooling water.

Over simplified, a thermostat on the air-cooler to prevent room air going below 25C and an absorber with controls to prevent water freezing is all you need worry about. Internal temperatures and pressures will be whatever is needed to operate the system with these parameters.

__________________
When arguing, remember mud-slinging = lost ground.
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 3
#23

Re: Designing of Evaporator

05/21/2016 6:02 AM

Air Conditioners are highly dependent on air flow across the evaporator coil. Fan speed is essential to the evaporation process in the system. There is no set temperature for evaporator it varies the ambient air for expert's suggestions visit http://www.manta.com/c/mtplqyr/amtek-air-conditioning-inc. A good rule of thumb is a 20 degree drop between the nearest supply from the evaporator and the return air supply.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 23 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

bigg (1); Fredski (1); horace40 (1); IdeaSmith (6); karakirchner (1); Mikerho (1); piyusharas (5); PWSlack (3); SolarEagle (2); Tornado (2)

Previous in Forum: Motor Power Calculator   Next in Forum: Change in Input energy

Advertisement