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Non-Destructive Way To Demonstrate Effects Of Acceleration?

06/15/2016 8:32 AM

I'm wanting to convince some mechanical engineers that gradual acceleration is far superior instant acceleration (i.e. impulse verses smooth start).

I am astounded that this is necessary at all, but it is. I didn't like dynamics very much either, so I sold my college book on the subject as soon as I could. Perhaps that was a mistake!

Realistically, I need a simple visual that illustrates the effect of modulus of elasticity verses acceleration. I don't mind building a jig of some sort, but I don't think I am anywhere near the first person that has needed such a thing. The problem is that my choice of search parameters is apparently not the "right" words to bring up what I need. Search engines are great if you know what to call the thing being sought.

Every electrical engineer I've talked to understands this concept quite well. The mechanical engineers that I work with want proof before I can begin to make improvements. It feels like trying to explain why breathing is beneficial, at least for them. I need to re-educate the non-believers in a pleasant demo.

Any ideas?

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Re: Non-destructive way to demonstrate effects of acceleration?

06/15/2016 8:42 AM

Take them to lunch some day in your car, on the way to lunch accelerate up to speed slowly and smoothly same with stopping. On the way back slam the accelerator and peel out and then hit the brakes and lock up your wheels to stop when you get back to work.

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06/15/2016 1:23 PM

Funny! But I'm pretty much convinced that just as in "Oh brother, Where Art Thou" where George Clooney and his buddies are having a picnic under the big oak tree, I believe I would hear the words, "I just don't get it!"

Unfortunately, I can't wack them with a branch and lecture them about it being all about the money!

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06/15/2016 9:41 AM

It depends on what material is being accelerated, or decelerated. Some materials and machines (rockets, F-18's launched from aircraft carriers) can withstand an impulse acceleration, some can't (jackhammers, yes - the concrete, no). Human bodies aren't very good at absorbing impulse accelerations. Ask Dale Earnhardt.

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06/16/2016 3:17 PM

Uhhhh...I think asking Dale is going to be a bit difficult, is it not?

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06/15/2016 10:50 AM

It depends on the application.

What do you mean when you said "gradual acceleration" and "instant acceleration". Is it the change of acceleration you are talking here? In simpler words, JERK.

It's okay, I suck too with mechanics, but the thing you are referring here is impact loading and fatigue stress.

You can never cut a rebar by bending with slow motion, you need some rapid bending stroke to be successful.

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06/15/2016 12:16 PM

F = M*A

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06/15/2016 12:16 PM

Drop an egg on the floor.

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06/15/2016 12:19 PM

Make them be crash test dummies.

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06/15/2016 12:21 PM

A belly-flop off a 3-meter board would be less destructive.

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06/15/2016 12:26 PM

Just explain that no one likes a Jerk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_(physics)

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06/15/2016 1:48 PM

Yes, the Jerk factor is very significant in what is currently being done. I want to show that changing the Jerk to zero makes a big difference.

As Solar Eagle pointed out F = M * A but I think the formula for motion is a little closer to what I am trying to describe. The problem is that there are at least two factors where the modulus of elasticity is also a factor. In fact, it is a little bit like trying to write the formula for a golf swing, only worse.

At least with a golf ball the modulus of elasticity is always the same because you use the same ball over and over. The problem I'm dealing with is like using random balls (from anything between cotton, bean bags and brick) while trying to hit the same moving target with the same swing. It just does not perform the same for every object.

With Jerk approximately equal to 0 and Acceleration more or less constant I should be able to ignore the modulus of elasticity. This is a problem where the physics interferes with the capacity of the material handling process and limits what can go through the system. All because the Jerk is a huge impulse.

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06/15/2016 4:06 PM

A flexible object flexes under changing acceleration (or jerk) due to its own mass. (A flexible object can be modeled as a set of masses connected by springs.) The more the jerk and the more the flexibility, the more flexing occurs. More flexing leads to more wear and possibly eventual failure.

So the two important material factors are modulus of elasticity and density.

Mass-spring model of flexible object:

(The more the acceleration changes, the more the springs flex.)

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06/15/2016 6:37 PM

Nice one Rix.

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06/20/2016 3:55 PM

In your example you neglected an aspect although the sketch has it: the rheological material behavior.

As you sketch shows it the material has in parallel to the spring a "damper". This "damper" has a resistance proportional to the deformation velocity. This is the reason why a material which you can deform quite easy at ow speed will break at high speed and asking also for a higher force.

In general the Young modulus is obtained by tests at low speed, if samples are tested at high speed the result is different : it is higher! For metals which have a low "damper" the effect is not very important but for other materials it is.

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06/15/2016 1:44 PM
  • Take the plastic holder from a 6-pack of cans.

  • Fold it over until you have 1 hole.
  • With the middle finger of each hand pull it apart as quickly as you can - it should break.
  • Now, with another folded holder, try to break it, but this time pulling slowly - it will be nearly impossible to break!
  • Drink the beer
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06/15/2016 1:52 PM

I'm ready for the beer right now. No need to remove the plastic holder!

See my previous reply regarding a better description of the problem. I'll save you a can or two.

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06/15/2016 2:00 PM

What's the last thing to go through a flies brain when it hits your windscreen?

Its ar****le.

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06/15/2016 3:02 PM

A dramatic demonstration of autobrake-on-collision feature on Mercedes....

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06/15/2016 10:35 PM

Sorry, I think you need to define your terms. "Better" depends on context, point of view, and scale, and what your goal is. If you are trying to shoot a deer with a rifle, from your point of view an "instant" acceleration of the bullet might cause a recoil so strong that it drives the rifle butt through your shoulder and through the wall behind you. You want an acceleration appropriate to the mechanical system. From the point of view of the deer, gradual acceleration is much, much better, so that the bullet drops out the end of the barrel onto the ground at your feet.

You don't mention any context, scale, or goal in your post.

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06/16/2016 7:34 AM

Find a belt conveyor with a variable speed drive or soft starter so you can change the rate of acceleration by adjusting the ramp up time. If there are future sales involved a potential supplier might loan you some sample kit to demonstrate your point. The sort of thing they use on exhibition stands. Stand up several water bottles on the conveyor each with a different amount of water in them to simulate the effect acceleration rate has on different products. The empty (low density) bottles fall over first, the full (high center of gravity) bottles fall over next. The part full bottles (low center of gravity) bottles fall over last. Now repeat the experiment with the bottles lying on their side with the axis of the bottle at right angles to the direction of travel and see how acceleration affects inertia. Pick which experiment best demonstrates what you are trying to explain.

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06/16/2016 10:32 PM

Compare a powerful sling shot to a rifle. Both will propel a ball or shot but the sling shot accelerates slowly compared to the bullet. Or an arrow shot from a bow will be another example.

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06/16/2016 10:57 PM

I'm surprised it's necessary as well; you might get away without a gradual start - just don't break something or shoot it across the room. If you limit the energy for an accelerating impulse you may not need to provide gradual acceleration at all. What is the requirement? Why make it more complex than it needs to be?

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06/17/2016 10:09 AM

Crash test dummies volunteer for the job because they enjoy the thrill of the crash.

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06/17/2016 10:37 AM

Simple demonstration:

You have a baseball bat.

Give the mechanical engineer a nudge with it.

Then hit him with it.

You will most likely have a convert at your feet.

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06/17/2016 10:56 AM

I have been considering this demonstration, I just didn't think I would start with that.

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06/17/2016 11:00 AM

When in doubt, WIN.

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06/17/2016 1:00 PM

Hold onto a loose/unmounted 1Ph AC motor then switch it on. Next try holding onto a similar sized rotor 12v DC starter motor when switched on. Similar sized rotors as in similar mass. Jim

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