Heating System Additive

My thoughts exactly!

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What sort of consumer protections do you have over there?

Ideally, for a medium of heat, as for this instance, the water(steam), it should be able to carry high heat at a low volume and also transfer that amount of heat speedily to a low heat temperature sink. High thermal conductors behave that way, with high heat capacities, of course.

Adding some chemical agent to water is trying to improve its heat capacity per volume. So it is expected, water would be heated easily and also cooled easily with the additive in it.

Your statement below deserves a second look.

"With lower specific heat the liquid would warm up quicker, but also cool quicker"

Nothing's more obnoxious than an anonymous poster with an attitude.

Correct!!

Yeah, all snarky anon posters need to be slapped in the face!

*SLAP!*

Hey, why's you slap ME? You say I was being a snarky anon just now? Why you .... darnit, you're right; I did fit the description, and therefore deserved that.

That's complete bollox.

GA. Good post.

Now we have 3 of them here.....you are "attracting" them!!!

Well, at least SOMEONE thinks that Lyn is attractive.

How true!!

I do not see a problem, as long as the source is quoted, and if I post from say Wiki, I also usually mark it in bold as well......

I don't think that any (normal) CR4 member, expects to have only "original" quotes as answers, as though we all have everything "onboard" so to say......I cannot remember "everything" as my name is not Sheldon Cooper!!

It appears that you are the one with the problems Sheldon!!! And that is not a "Theory" either!!!!

Just got back from holiday and see there's a few more posts.

As you say water has an anomalously high specific heat (as well as some other unexpected properties). While high specific heat means lower liquid flow for a given heat transfer rate, giving lower pumping costs, I can't see why it would give better transfer efficiency.

I wondered if the manufacturer might have said something crafty like it reduces heat losses by 20%, i.e. without it efficiency = say 90%, 10% loss, with it loss reduced to 8%, efficiency up to 92%. But rechecking the website it says heating bills reduced by (up to) 20%. So I still think it's a non-starter.

I think its a starter, as a scam!!

My only indirect experience in this area, was in 1988 I needed a cheap car, diesel if possible and I bought a Mitsubishi 2.3l Turbo diesel, with most of the engine in the trunk!!!

It had a warped head, with cracks between the valves, due, I was told, to having been filled up in Japan with a very (far too) high concentration of anti frost, than was ever needed and the anti frost simply could not "transport" the heat away fast enough and after 2 years, the alu head was useless. Also, the head design was not good (I was told!).

I bought the car VERY cheaply and found a good head from a crashed newer car, which I renovated (my first Diesel!) and we did over 300,000 Kms over the next 5 years..... Went all over Europe towing a trailer......Great car and every economical......

"it says heating bills reduced by (up to) 20%."

And they're not wrong, reduced by 0% (or less, meaning an increased bill) does fit in the range of 'up to 20%.' They defined the top limit, but not the bottom.

That's right, typical "weasel words". But they're clearly trying to give the impression the reduction is in the region of 20%, not -1 to 1%! I don't know whether this sort of thing has been argued in court, but I doubt they'd get away with saying 1% is in line with the claimed performance.

Exactly, the whole field of Marketing can be boiled down to 'preying on victims with poor/no critical thinking skills.'

And what have all the changes made to the US educational system over the past few decade been accomplishing? I significant reduction in critical thinking skills by the students, reducing them from 'humans' to 'sheeple.' We've got politicians and salesmen controlling the curriculum in schools, instead of scientists and educators, the people who should KNOW What is Most Important in Life⁽¹⁾.

Notes:

1. What is Most Important in Life, critical thinking skills, is unrelated to What is Best in Life, which is 'crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.'

No MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) on the product so it's probably similar to the radiator wetting agents that are sold for use in your car. Read this article for more info, and note the comments about straight water; also note the quantities involved, a half liter of your stuff is nothing in a 100 liter or more hot water system.

This is total bull....anything that improved efficiency that much would make headlines around the world...and be required in every boiler....that would have to include it being possible, which it is not...because you would have greater than 100% efficiency...anybody knows that 100% efficiency is as good as it gets, and electric furnaces are 100% efficient because all the heat is absorbed....gas furnaces are now greater than 90% efficient because you have to exhaust some of the heat out the stack to get rid of fumes....You can't get more heat out of the water than you put in, or you would have perpetual motion machines everywhere....

See above #8.

The engineering of this piece of equipment takes into account the heat transfer characteristics of the materials...altering that changes the balance that is achieved by the design and could lead to unintended consequences....follow the manufacturers recommendations...

I love your pic Solareagle! In particular the way you get the dwell time!

(GA for that.) I always marvel at the simplicity in genius, thank you. jt.

A man goes to a shrink and says, "Doctor, my wife is unfaithful to me."

"Every evening, she goes to Larry's bar and picks up men.
In fact, she sleeps with anybody who asks her! I'm going crazy.
What do you think I should do?"

"Relax," says the Doctor, "take a deep breath and calm down.
Now, tell me, exactly where is Larry's bar?"