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Asteroids, Comets and Earth

08/28/2016 4:22 AM

I am no expert but after 3 days searching I still could get no definite answer to a seemingly simple question. What was the velocity of the asteroid or comet that is now called the K/Pg meteorite. That is the one that is probably responsible for the end of the cretaceous period. I have found answers that cover a whole range of speeds from16 Km/s to 72 Km/s. and higher. I don't mind a range of speeds but this range is rather large. I also could not pin down any accepted mass for the object. Was it a comet or asteroid (and ruling out a space craft it had to be one or the other)? Would anyone care to comment on the results of being hit by Juno, one of the larger members of the asteroid belt. I know this is impossible but what would the results be. One site I went to said that it would do little damage. I can't believe that. Thanks for any feed back.

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08/28/2016 6:58 AM

See the "throw rocks at them" strategy from The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. E = mv2/2.

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08/28/2016 8:22 AM

It is engraved on my forehead.

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08/28/2016 8:39 AM

Ooh, I've gotta see that.

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08/28/2016 8:33 AM

From Wikipedia:

The Alvarez hypothesis posits that the mass extinction of the dinosaurs and many other living things during the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event was caused by the impact of a large asteroid on the Earth. Prior to 2013, it was commonly cited as having happened about 65 million years ago, but a 2013 paper by Renne et al. gave an updated value of 66 million years.[1] Evidence indicates that the asteroid fell in the Yucatán Peninsula, at Chicxulub, Mexico. The hypothesis is named after the father-and-son team of scientists Luis and Walter Alvarez, who first suggested it in 1980.

In March 2010, an international panel of scientists endorsed the asteroid hypothesis, specifically the Chicxulub impact, as being the cause of the extinction. A team of 41 scientists reviewed 20 years of scientific literature and in so doing also ruled out other theories such as massive volcanism. They had determined that a 10–15 km (6–9 mi) space rock hurtled into earth at Chicxulub. For comparison, the Martian moon Deimos is 12 km (7 mi) and Mount Everest is almost 9 km (5.6 mi). The collision would have released the same energy as 100,000,000 megatonnes of TNT (4.2×1023 J), over a billion times the energy of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So if you assume a density, ρ, of 5 (similar to the Earth's average density), and since the diameter is 10 to 15 Km, you can calculate the mass, M, from the density and volume - picking a volume of a sphere with a nominal radius of 6 Km. The volume, V, of a sphere is 4/3*pi*R3. Then M = ρ*V

Once you have the mass, the velocity comes from the kinetic energy equation, E = 1/2 M*V2, where E is 4.2×1023 J

Solve for V and you'll have the velocity.

You can do the math.

And just btw, I still prefer the earlier term, Cretaceous-Tertiary, or K-T. The 'K-T Event' is just a cooler sounding name for the extinction.

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08/28/2016 9:03 AM

Thanks. I fully agree that the KT name is easier and much cooler than K/Pg but this pleb didn't get a say in the matter. I got an answer for the TNT tonnage of 2.39 E9 Hsab, and 150,000 billion Hsab with another set of data. I thought these figures were excessively high. It is 11 PM and I am busy tomorrow so It will be Tuesday before I can check the Math. Thanks.

BTW, Hsab is my way of saying Hiroshima size atomic bombs

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08/28/2016 9:55 AM

"And just btw, I still prefer the earlier term, Cretaceous-Tertiary, or K-T. The 'K-T Event' is just a cooler sounding name for the extinction."

So how does the "Cretaceous-Tertiary" come to be called K-T rather than C-T?

If these guys can't keep something as simple as spelling straight in abbreviating the name of their event what to say they don't have a whole lot more other mistakes in their data underneath it all?

Just asking the obvious.

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08/28/2016 12:23 PM

The event receives its name from the German word Kreide, meaning “chalk,” and the word Tertiary.

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08/28/2016 12:24 PM

It's from German:

"this Cretaceous-Tertiary or K-T mass extinction (K is for Kreide, meaning chalk in German, which describes the chalky sediment layer from that time; T is for Tertiary, the next geologic period), all land animals over about 55 pounds wentextinct, as did many smaller organisms."

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/glossary/K-T.shtml

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08/29/2016 5:03 PM

180955736.8 Kg?

68132365 m/sec?

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