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Interesting Bit of Trivia

08/28/2016 9:07 AM

The passenger steamer SS Warrimoo was quietly knifing its way through the waters of the mid-Pacific on its way from Vancouver to Australia. The navigator had just finished working out a star fix & brought the master, Captain John Phillips, the result. The Warrimoo’s position was LAT 0ş 31' N and LON 179ş 30' W. The date was 30 December 1899.
“Know what this means?” First Mate Payton broke in, “We’re only a few miles from the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line”. Captain Phillips was prankish enough to take full advantage of the opportunity for achieving the navigational freak of a lifetime. He called his navigators to the bridge to check & double check the ships position. He changed course slightly so as to bear directly on his mark. Then he adjusted the engine speed.
The calm weather & clear night worked in his favour.
At midnight the SS Warrimoo lay on the Equator at exactly the point where it crossed the International Date Line!
The consequences of this bizarre position were many. The forward part (bow) of the ship was in the Southern Hemisphere & the middle of summer. The rear (stern) was in the Northern Hemisphere & in the middle of winter. The date in the aft part of the ship was 31 December 1899. Forward it was 1 January 1900.
This ship was therefore not only in two different days, two different months, two different years, & two different seasons & but in two different centuries – all at the same time!

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08/28/2016 3:08 PM

And my wife thinks I'm strange because I look at number patterns on the odometer when we drive.

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08/28/2016 3:11 PM

"...The date in the aft part of the ship was 31 December 1899. Forward it was 1 January 1900.
This ship was therefore not only in two different days, two different months, two different years, & two different seasons & but in two different centuries – all at the same time!"

Oops, missed it. But a common error.

The years 1899 and 1900 were both in the 19th Century. The last day of the 19th Century was Dec 31, 1900. The 20th Century began on January 1, 1901.

Nevertheless, an interesting story if true.

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08/28/2016 6:11 PM

I didn´t notice the fact you mention about the of the century change, nevertheless I replied to the friend who sent me this mail saying:

"The untold part of the story is that due to this bizarre situation SS Warrimoo got into a time warp emerging 40 years later during the battle of Denmark Strait where she unwillingly participated as a sitting duck, eventually being hit on May 27, 1940 by a torpedo launched by the same Fairey Swordfish biplane torpedo bomber that damaged the Bismarck´s rudder. Her wreck is to be found next to the former´s battleship carcass, being recently discovered by the Ballard´ deep dive expedition with the engines still running."

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Usbport:

Your logic reminds me of my father's who always correctly insisted that having been born on 11/16/1926 he was "in his first year" until 11/16/1927. Then, he turned 1, but he was "in his second year".

However, I presume it's not a matter of opinion, but I choose to make it one.....to me, the 20th century began on Jan 1, 1900, just as the 21st century began on Jan 1, 2000 !

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08/29/2016 1:58 AM

There was no year zero. The beginning of the first century was Jan 1, 0001, according to Pope Gregory.

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08/29/2016 4:47 PM

Only because the concept of zero was not in western thought at the time of Pope Gregory.

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08/31/2016 3:54 AM

The corresponding ordinal for 1 is 1st. There still is no corresponding ordinal for 0. When you think about it to say "the one before the first" is meaningless - much like "before time began". There actually was no AD (anno domini) year [now called CE -common era] before the first. The years prior were in a different era. To describe those years in ordinal terms we would need to say 'the fifth last year .." or "the third last century ..", etc. "..BC(E)" - i.e. last before this era began.

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08/31/2016 10:12 AM

I'm almost certain I've seen "zeroth" used, although at the moment I can't remember exactly where. As I understand it, it normally means "0riginal" or "starting value".

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08/31/2016 11:37 AM

Nil.

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08/31/2016 11:42 AM

I can't tell whether that is a positive or negative comment, or possibly neither...

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08/31/2016 12:00 PM

its a Zero. Has no value, not worth mentioning, nonexistence...

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08/31/2016 2:07 PM

Except in the computer world!!

Binary would look a bit stupid without its Zeros!!!

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08/31/2016 2:45 PM

its a Zero Naught , Has no value, not worth mentioning, nonexistence...

how's that

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08/31/2016 3:32 PM

How would you arrange Binary without the "Naught"?

I am used to "01000000" = 60 Hex

Show me it without Zeros.....

Even normal math will be difficult without zeros!!

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08/31/2016 4:53 PM

And cereal westerns would be nothing without Zorro!

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08/31/2016 4:52 PM

We are binary (actually Unitarians) and we are 1111111.....

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Funny but totally useless!!

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Your logic reminds me of my father's who always correctly insisted that having been born on 11/16/1926 he was "in his first year" until 11/16/1927. Then, he turned 1, but he was "in his second year".

That's the way the Chinese do it...

"East Asian age reckoning is a concept and practice that originated in China and is widely used by other cultures in East Asia. Newborns start at the age of one year, and at the beginning of lichun (usually February 4, sometimes February 5) which is the first of the 24 solar terms, one year is added to the person's age. In other words, the first year of life is counted as one instead of zero, so that a person is one year old in their first year, two years old in their second, and so on.[1][2] Since age is incremented on the beginning of solar term rather than on a birthday, people may be one or two years older in Asian reckoning than in the modern age system."

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08/30/2016 9:32 AM

As I heard it, it is considered the time since conception. & 9m, 8d is close enough to 1 year -

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08/30/2016 9:44 AM

Then the Chinese are obviously more civilized than westerners, considering the unborn to be human and alive from the point of conception is greatly advanced. Unfortunately, they do not place equal value on the female child as the male. In time, we are all equal.

Time waits for no man, or woman.

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08/29/2016 4:45 PM

Then how was Y2K the beginning of the third millennium?

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08/30/2016 2:44 AM

It wasn't - whoever said it was? The Y2K problem was not a millennium problem but one of how dates had been recorded in computers since they were invented back in the 50's [1950s that is] whereby, to save digital space [hard to come by back then], only the last two digits of the year were used. The problem would have been there back in 1899 if computers had been around.

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08/31/2016 10:07 PM

1st millennium - 0001 to 1000

2nd millennium - 1001 to 1999

3rd millennium - 2000 to 2999

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08/31/2016 11:59 PM

Why the switch between the first and second millennia?

What is your source?

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09/01/2016 8:18 AM

Messed up, sorry.

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1st millennium - 0001 to 1000 = 999 yrs

2nd millennium - 1001 to 1999 = 998 yrs

3rd millennium - 2000 to 2999 = 999 yrs

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09/01/2016 3:04 AM

OH!!! Why???

What LOOKS better and is slightly more "constant" I feel is:-

0000-999 = 1000 years (counting the year 0000 as a year, which of course it is!!!)

999-1999 = 1000 years

1999-2999 = 1000 years

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09/01/2016 3:54 AM

I say -

0001-1000 = 1000 years

1001-2000 = 1000 years

2001-3000 = 1000 years

The first year in this 'era' - AD [or if you prefer CE] is year number 1, hence the 50th year is year number 50 and year 2000 is the 2000th year [part of the 2nd millennium]

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I disagree with your statement, you are "losing" years!!

RF "says" in Italic Bold, Andy says in normal type:-

RF say -

0001-1000 = 1000 years. WRONG, 1000 minus 0001 = 999

1001-2000 = 1000 years WRONG, 2000 minus 1001 = 999

2001-3000 = 1000 years WRONG, 3000 minus 2001 = 999

999 + 999 + 999 = 2997 years !!! Some are now missing, why? Because you are not counting the 1000 years, which are ending in 0! But you are STILL counting all the in between years ending in 0!!! Years like 10, 20, 30,40, 50, 60 and all the rest!!! Why count them and not the 1000s?

If I say 3000 minus 0001 = 2999, its still wrong but getting MUCH better, only missing one year now!!!!

You must say 3000 - 0000 = 3000! So year 0 is needed...

Mathematically, you must somehow "count" the year 0 as a complete year (which it was!), with around 12 months and a lot of births and deaths!!! Or did these people not even exist?

Then from year 0 to year 3000 is correct and adds up to 3000 years as it should do, not 2997 as you make it out to be.....(again a lot of births and deaths in the missing 3 years!!)

I am ignoring calendar corrections made over all the years to keep dates consistent with the earth year. Leap years are an example.....but not the only ones!There were many corrections made.

Its a great laugh!!!

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09/01/2016 9:24 AM

"0001-1000 = 1000 years. WRONG, 1000 minus 0001 = 999"

Why are you subtracting 0001? Year 0001 is part of that millennium; It should be included, not subtracted!

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09/01/2016 9:32 AM

Do you start counting at zero, or do you start counting at one.

If you subtract one from one thousand, what do you get?

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09/01/2016 11:41 AM

I start counting at 1.

From 1-10 is 10 years, one decade. That includes year 1 and year 10. The next decade is years 11-20.

From 1-100 is 100 years, one century. That includes year 1 and year 100. The next century is years 101-200.

From 1-1000 is 1000 years, one millennium. That includes year 1 and year 1000. The next millennium is years 1001-2000.

The third millennium started in 2001.

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I'm over thinking this and relating it to selling numbered tickets at a ball game.

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09/01/2016 12:06 PM

Lyn: I think the horsey is on the ground, not moving, and has been appropriately beaten. I agree. Counting year 1 must be starting at the first tick of the first day, and counting year 1000 would continue through the last day, last hour, last minute, last second, etc.

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Thus, you are counting the years as complete years, not January 1, 0001 to January 1, 1000. In reality you are counting the time from 01/01/0001 00:01 through 12/31/1000 24:00. If in that spreadsheet below, I start the final date as 12/31/1000, then yes, I get 1000 years using Excel formulas with a 2000 year offset to allow the calculation to take place in the computer.

dates:offset:
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11101/01/000120001120011/1/200136892
11100001/01/100020001130001/1/3000401769
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I think he meant "from", not "minus", is how I read it.

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Doesn't matter.

In this context I'm still wrong.

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09/01/2016 10:38 PM

Thank you Andy for not interpreting my shorthand as formulae. For those who can't -

In the group of consecutive years numbered from 0001 to 1000 inclusive there are 1000 members.

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RF wrote:-

"Thank you Andy for not interpreting my shorthand as formulae."

I found it to be most obvious what you intended....some didn't, but that's their problem!

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No, 0001-1000 = = 999 years.

1,000

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bad math.

good math follows:

Calculating Using Dates AD and BC Date: 11/25/2003 at 09:17:56 From: Theodore Subject: How do you work the BC & AD math problems How do you calculate how many years there are between dates where one is given in years B.C. and the other is in years A.D.? For example, how many years were there from 15 B.C. to 63 A.D.? Do you start with zero or not? I just start with zero and add the B.C. amount, then add the A. D. amount. Is that correct?


Date: 11/25/2003 at 12:21:14 From: Doctor Peterson Subject: Re: How do you work the BC & AD math problems Hi Theodore. Thanks for writing to Dr. Math. As discussed here Year 0

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52475.html there was no year 0; that forces us to make an adjustment when we compare A.D. and B.C. dates. If there were a year 0, the time line would look like this: / <-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--> -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (I've put the numbers between the marks because a given year spans the time from Jan 1 one year to Jan 1 the next.) Then you could find the time from, say, June 1, 5 B.C. to June 1, 7 A.D. by subtracting a negative number: 7 - -5 = 7 + 5 = 12 years That amounts to what you do: there are 5 years before 0, and 7 years after, making a total of 12. But in fact there was no year zero, because the people who invented the B.C./A.D. system didn't know about the number zero yet. (That was, of course, long after the year zero, but still a long time ago!) So reality looks like this: _______________________________ / <-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--> -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 To make that, I just deleted one year's worth from a copy of the first version--and that's all you have to do to find the difference between dates. After you subtract the first date from the second, you subtract one year if the non-existent year zero would have been between them. (7 - -5) - 1 = 12 - 1 = 11 years. If you have any further questions, feel free to write back. - Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/

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That looks better and is more consistent, but it does not work with the Gregorian Calendar, which has year 1BC followed by the year 1AD.

ISO 8601 has a 'year zero,' however the year +0000 correlates to 1BC, so the numbers (and millennia) don't match up going that far back or farther.

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09/01/2016 8:58 AM

Yeah, no reason every millenia needs to be the exact same length.

After all, the U.S. military (and I'm guessing all the NATO allies) run on a clock of 25 non-identical hours. (The military omits the colon between hours and minutes, and does not record seconds as a general rule.)

Hours 0100 through 2300 all have 60 minutes to them. For example the hour of '1PM' runs from 1300 to 1359.

Hour 2400 (midnight) is one minute long, there is no 2401.

Hour '0000' (after midnight) is 59 minutes long, spanning from 0001 to 0059.

The purpose, as far as I've been able to tell, is to insure proper recording of events in logbooks, since the civilian understanding of 'midnight' causes confusion as to which date to attribute to an event. In the military, 2400 is still the same day as it was five minutes ago, but 0001 is the next day. So the military avoids the ambiguity of "midnight on the 23rd" (does that mean the midnight at the start or end of the 23rd?). The military would state it as "2400 on the 23rd" or "0001 on the 23rd," and then the solders know whether they'll need to have their gear back for the mission on noon of the 22nd or 23rd.

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That's because the U. S. Army knows how to "cipher".

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09/01/2016 9:36 PM

The real question here is whether an event can truly occur in a time range of length zero - even the firing of a starter's pistol?

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Only nothing happens in zero time.

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09/02/2016 2:41 AM

I call a "missing" year with a number ending in "0", a large enough slice of time to be taken MOST seriously!! No Joke!

Remember, we were never talking about starting pistols, but "missing" years, significant difference in length of time maybe?

Or is your starting pistol a very slow "starter" maybe?

One made for giant Tortoises and snails?

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Is the number 0 as large as the number 000000000 ?

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Of course!!!

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09/02/2016 9:32 AM

Year Zero is only 'missing' in the mathematical sense, not the 'historical' sense.

New Years Eve, 1BC was followed by New Years Day, 1AD. That's a headache for historians calculating time spans that cross that line, but nothing is 'missing.'

When 'missing time' is discussed, it refers to a span where information on what happened during that span is suppressed, concealed, or destroyed. If Emperor Exampleus the Second declared that all public and private documents made during or referring to the time span when his predecessor, Emperor Exampleus the First, reigned were to be destroyed, all art made during or referencing that time was to be destroyed, and all citizens and visitors to the Empire were never to speak of or hear about that time span were to be put to death, then that span would become a piece of 'missing time.' Anecdotal evidence about 'alien abductions' may also have 'missing time' where the 'abductee has no memories of a time span, and/or his watch may become out of sync with a reference watch left outside the 'abduction zone.'

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I missed a whole semester of college one year, and it's really gone (up in smoke)

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I was once, 34 years ago, in a full coma for three days. Until better informed, I simply thought I went to bed with a headache one night, and woke up the next morning in a strange bed. That was truly, for me, missed time. It was encephalitis/meningitis.

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That was no fun. I'm sure.

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Definitely not fun, but also definitely interesting. When I came out of the full coma, I entered a "stage 3 coma", where I spoke only Spanish (which I didn't learn 'till I was 25), and I recognized some relatives, but not others.

The amazing thing is that once I awakened from the stage 3 coma, it was as if nothing had happened mentally, except that the calendar had advanced a week. This occurred in June, so I had most of the summer to recover. I was able to continue teaching Physics and related topics for another 13 years, when I retired, and shortly thereafter began my engineering career.

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There's an old joke that follows your experience where the patient is being told by the doctor that he has recovered completely and will be better that new.

Patient: "Doctor, will I be able to play the piano"?

Doctor: "Yes".

Patient: "That's great, because I've always wanted to play one".

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09/03/2016 12:12 AM

I think that we all have experienced periods of "missing time" whether it be relatively brief due to anesthesia in a dentist's chair or prolonged as was your experience.

Does this mean that whatever happened during our period of unconsciousness didn't happen?

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"Does this mean that whatever happened during our period of unconsciousness didn't happen?"

Well, from the factic point of view, they happened, but there are other situations that happen during special states of the mind, during which a person may not have control of his acts or thoughts as during an epileptic episode, metabolic disorders (dehydration, diabetes, etc), which are considered by law as special cases. In these cases a person may be considered not responsible for his / her acts as he / she was not aware of what happened

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09/05/2016 8:59 AM

So does that mean since I am diabetic, I am not responsible for my acts, since wifey says all I do is walk around in a stupor until she commands me to work on her projects. I have all but forgot about the nuclear reactor I was working on, now where did I put that confabulator coil?

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09/06/2016 8:36 AM

I'm not sure if 'henpecked' is accepted as a valid defense yet, but if your blood sugar crashes(1) and you are hallucinating and/or stumbling around like a Walker(2), then you have a valid 'I was not in control of my body/actions' defense. Doesn't mean you'll automatically get off scot free, but at least the judge will let your attorney argue from that position.

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  2. Is it okay to call them 'zombies' again? I know those modern 'undead apocalypse' shows are being all edgy by avoiding the Z-word, but it's getting to the point where the 'ambulatory living-impaired' are being treated as a protected minority, instead of the terrifying monster horde they have always been.
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Last time I checked, it is impossible to be upright in standing when dead. Many people need a check-up from the neck-up. That does not mean they (or me) are zombies. It is also said that puffer fish toxin has something to do with alleged zombies in Haiti.

Hocus pocus, dominocus. I find the whole topic uninteresting, when there is so much reality that needs attention out there. I have seen and still know some who are stockpiling ammunition for the "zombie apocalypse". I think these guys are just itching to get into a fire fight (probably a syndrome related to complicated rules of engagement), with whomever shows up that they don't like very much. So an excuse like, having the electric grid out for a few days should just about do the trick.

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09/02/2016 1:49 PM

12/31/01 BC -> 01/01/01 AD....somehow that almost seems like two years missing. What happened to 0 B.C.? OH snap, there was no zero back then.

Oh well, then Baby Jesus was born already two years old? It's a miracle!!!

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Two? I thought the historians had put his birth in the summer of 6BC?

Then again, it's easy to see how disagreements can come about with an event over two thousand years ago. There are arguments about Elvis Aaron Presley's favorite recipe for fried chicken. And there are still people alive today who walked with him and spoke with him, and were considered close friends.

You can almost imagine the arguments that DIDN'T make it into Acts:

(Scene: PAUL and LUKE are standing in a dusty plaza)

Paul: "Now remember, when performing the Communion, break the Matzo into pieces large enough to hold, but small enough to place entirely in the mouth without the receiver having to bite it."

Luke: "Matzo? But Christ used Pita at the last supper!"

Paul: "No, he used Matzo."

Luke: "Pita."

Paul: "Matso!"

Luke: "Pita!"

(THOMAS enters)

Thomas: "Guys, guys, let's be civil and Christian about this, no need for yelling. Besides, it was Khebz."

(PAUL and LUKE chase THOMAS, all three exit stage left)

(End Scene)

(yeah, I went a little vaudeville there, however, I personally believe God has a FANTASTIC sense of humor. He gave us Mel Brooks, after all.)

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After reading that I wish to swear in Yiddish, but I forgot the words.

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Max: I was a protege of the great Boris Tomashevsky. He taught me everything I know. I'll never forget, he turned to me on his death bed and said: "Maxella, alle menschen muss zu machen, jeden tug a gentzen kachen!"
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Maxella, alle menschen muss zu machen, jeden tug a gentzen kachen!"

My translation, with no guarantee of accuracy, but I am pretty sure of the second half, which helps with the first half I feel:-

"Maxella, everyone must do it, every day a little shitting!"

The only online Yiddish translator software online gave up and did not translate.....

You really need someone who speaks the language.....

As I don't really!!! But its (considered) to be similar to German......and I can read "good" Yiddish, but not so sure of bad.....and this is really bad.......

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I agree with you Andy! / Total miteinverstanden!

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Ah, considering Max's next line was, "But in my heart, I knew what he was saying. He was saying when you're down and out and everybody thinks you're finished, that's the time to stand up on your two feet and shout: "Who do you have to [*BLEEP*](1) to get a break in this stinking town?" I had assumed that the advice was a way of saying "Show biz sucks, go get a real job to support yourself."

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Your question confuses me. Outside of Derivative Calculus, a time range of length zero is meaningless. Even the starter's pistol involves non-zero time lengths.

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Based on the data presented, wouldn't the BOW and STERN of the vessel be in different hemispheres as you noted, and the PORT and STARBOARD sides be in different dates and years?

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Casper:

If the bearing was 180 at that moment, yes.

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That's why I opened my reply "Based on the data presented..."

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That 90° bend in the international date line at the equator screws up the port & starboard thing. The ship was traveling roughly toward the southwest, so at the center of the ship, both sides are west of the international date line.

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Based on the map I presented, which was/is representative of the current situation, you are correct.

I had no knowledge of the International Dateline as it was in 1899/1900, so your analysis might be even more accurate than mine.

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Whether true or not, That is indeed an interesting scenario.

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Interesting post, thanks for sharing.

The common man always takes the change (as in this case), in going from 1899 to 1900, as its simpler that way, but as USBPort says, its not true mathematically. But who really cares?

While serving in the RN on HMS Puma, in 1968, I had two (22 y.o.) birthdays, one after the other, while crossing the international date line from west to east, while on our way from (guessing!) Funafuti (Gilbert & Ellice Islands? Or Fiji?) to Hawaii, if I remember correctly!

Quite expensive for me as I had to "push the boat out" TWICE in two days!!! But its a great memory still!!

If we had been travelling in the opposite direction, I might have had no birthday at all!!!

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Guess you have to draw the line some where... And the SS Warrimoo found it and crossed it.

For over one hundred years, minstrels will be writing sonnets about it.... Singing its praises.... or at the very least, bring it up in CR4 general discussions.

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The United States Navy has specific terminology for this Nautical Event.

If your ship crosses the International Dateline at the Equator, you are referred to as a Golden Shellback.

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n 1. (Animals) dialect Brit and US and Canadian another name for tadpole 2. (Nautical Terms) informal a sailor who has not crossed the equator. Compare shellback [C15 polwygle; see poll, wiggle] Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

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(ˈʃɛlˌbæk) n 1. (Nautical Terms) informal a sailor who has crossed the equator. Compare polliwog2 2. (Nautical Terms) an experienced or old sailor Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

Line-Crossing Ceremony link: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/golden+shellback

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Duckula:

Thanks for the "Shellback" lesson ! I wish I had joined the Navy.. oh well !

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If I was 17 again (great film of that name!) I would instantly re-enlist in the RN!!

I tried to get my youngest daughter interested about 12 years ago, but she was not interested......sadly!!

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Warrimoo, (?)

Seems like an odd name for a ship. Did it carry milk, or fighting cows ?

Was it named after : General Warrimoo, prince warrimoo, Mr & Mrs warrimoo ?

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Tony:

You actually made me laugh !!!

Are you from Jersey ?

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They're not fighting cows, they're battle cattle.

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09/01/2016 8:51 AM

They are most definitely cows, did you not see them run into battle, teats a' flopping?

Otherwise we are talking udder nonsense!

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Look at what I just found! :

In 1895, Mark Twain was travelling to Australia aboard the S.S. Warrimoo. In dire financial difficulties, he was embarking on an around the world speaking tour during which he also wrote ‘Following the Equator,’ his account of the journey. In it, he notes the moment the ship crossed the equator.

Read more: https://quadriv.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/mark-twain-and-the-s-s-warrimoo/

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08/29/2016 11:14 PM

GA!

I love the Mark Twain Quote (as I do most Mark Twain quotes).

Next time, use the Link tool (three chain links) to make your link clickable.

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08/30/2016 1:14 PM

r&ddoc:

Nicely done !!!

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08/30/2016 7:12 PM

Thank you!

And welcome to Cr4!

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