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Flow Metter for Painting Application

09/24/2016 4:50 AM

Dear all,

Does anyone know the most suitable flow metter used in the application as below:

  • Normal flowrate: 1 l/minute
  • Normal temperature ~25-30; Max pressure ~ 5 bar
  • Fluid: It is a mix of painting powder and water (viscosity not high-I don't know exactly the value)

I 've considered about PD type or magnetic type flowmetter.

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09/24/2016 5:03 AM

Please describe the application. Of immediate interest is why a flow meter is needed at all, for instance.

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09/24/2016 5:12 AM

Dear,

Fluid (Painting power is mixed with water) and then the is pumped to another process. The flow metter is used to measure the flow rate.

I need the type of suitable flow metter (such as : PD type,Magnectic type, corriolis type..)

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09/24/2016 5:37 AM

Measure volume, not flow rate, then.

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09/24/2016 5:25 AM

I needs to know if my slaves servants employees are painting fast enough. This is step 1 of an SQC process. Later on, we will address whether the paint is going where it is supposed to, rather than onto cars in the parking lot.

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09/24/2016 6:05 AM

Wouldn't that be something.

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09/24/2016 11:09 AM

You'd be surprised. (Or not)

One of my first jobs in life was working for a guy who did commercial boiler work. One job we had was a large public school heating systems that had two main boilers.

To clean the stack and flues out we would first scrape and scoop everything we could then just hit it hard with high volume air jets to blow whats left out the stack. Given that process we made it clear to the building management that everything in one down parking lot is going to get dusted in ash and advised them to not park vehicles there until we are done.

The school custodial crew put out cones and signs early that day before anyone arrived saying to not park there yet half a dozen teachers/idiots who were apparently color blind and couldn't read went around the cones and signs and parked their anyway.

They were warned so we let it fly! Every vehicle was covered solid top to bottom and look like the went through the Mt St Helens fallout by the end of the day!

Much whining and fussing followed relating to the mess we made and OMG they would have had to park further away and walk another 100 - 200 feet if they had went to the parking lot on the other side of the building too.

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09/24/2016 11:15 AM

People are idiots!

We close down two blocks of Main Street once a month for a motorcycle meet-up. A thousand bikes show up sometimes.

We forever have cars drive around the barricades (not cones) because, by god, they ARE determined to go wherever the please!

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09/24/2016 1:55 PM

My brother and buddy of his own aDJ service and I used to go out and work with them on street dances and whatnot. Mostly because at the time it was my pickup trailer and generator they were using.

Like with you many small towns do something like that every summer where they close off a block or two of the main street through town and everyone gets out and has a good time and just like you every time there are idiots who (live locally no less) try to go around coned barricades and even right under barrier tape so they don't have to drive an extra block or two to go around.

Now I can see where there are certain circumstances where it's an allowable like if they have to drop off or pick up something that's inside the blocked off area like the beverage trucks, a garbage truck grabbing a full dumpster or something related to the festivities but rarely thats the issue.

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09/24/2016 10:11 AM

This is a waste of time and money, but Graco makes them.

Graco Flow Meters

More to the point is applied coating film thickness.

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09/25/2016 2:07 PM

Can you just time how long it takes for the paint vessel to empty? Or count how many vessels are consumed in a shift?

Otherwise a much more simple and affordable option would be to place the paint vessel on a scale and weigh the loss of weight. You can do a manual calculation, or purchase a scale indicator that can perform the calculation for you.

This also offers more benefits such as alarming when the paint vessel is about to need replacement or refilling.

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09/26/2016 1:45 PM

You will have too much trouble measuring flow rate, due to issues with various flow meters. If you insist on this path, then use a cheap G F Signet meter (paddle wheel meter probe) set up for the pipe diameter and liquid velocity range of the meter.

This is not rocket science, so you can even figure it out, or just tell the instrument salesman, and they will recommend what might work.

Otherwise, draw down vessels are what you need. It could even take the form of a calibrated side column (gauge tube) on the paint tank. Or it could be a set of scales on tank, and that is probably going to be your best solution to the issue at hand.

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09/25/2016 2:22 PM

A mag meter relies on the fluid velocity,and generally have a turn down ratio of 100 to 1.

A very small diameter tube would be required to measure such a low volume.

I would recommend a Metering pump,with a micrometer flow adjustment to maintain accurate quantities for mixing.

If you just want to measure the flow rate, a Doppler meter would work,with a totalizer added to the system to give total quantity.

Good luck!

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09/25/2016 2:32 PM

I think the OP is a bean counter.

"Painting powder and water" is hardly a way to describe making paint.

Besides, flow rate means nothing. It's how much paint is actually applied to the substrate that's important.

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09/26/2016 2:46 PM

While we're on the subject, what is this?

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09/26/2016 3:02 PM

Micron units wire gauge?

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09/26/2016 3:04 PM

Not even close.

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09/26/2016 4:25 PM

A European spark plug gap gauge.

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09/26/2016 5:03 PM

Nope.

Unless you've actually used one, or cheat, it won't come intuitively.

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09/26/2016 5:37 PM

Piano string spacer.

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09/26/2016 6:21 PM

Nothing musical here.

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09/26/2016 7:09 PM

No surprise; I just made that up.

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09/26/2016 8:39 PM

Wet film comb!

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09/26/2016 9:16 PM

Yes, wet film thickness gauge.

Each of the teeth is progressively longer/shorter and marked with the distance from the substrate surface.

Used to measure the coating thickness before the solvent has evaporated, so that the amount applied can be adjusted to achieved the desired cured coating thickness.

Knowing the solids/volatile ratio, one can get the desired cured thickness.

A witness coupon is used so that the finished product is intact.

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09/29/2016 2:06 AM

I think you posted that one before. But then the company name gave it away. Looks like they use electronic instruments for this now.

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09/29/2016 3:34 PM

I don't believe that is correct. The first instrument I mentioned was a dry film gauge.

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10/03/2016 12:08 AM

Lyn, it was not in this post, but "before" in another post, which is maybe years back.

I am too lazy to dig it up, but you off all could know!

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09/27/2016 9:06 AM

It is the Surfa Test comb for measuring wet lacquer thickness, I don't really get how that is supposed to work, is it capillary action that determines what tooth gets wetted?

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09/27/2016 9:55 AM

I guess I could tell by looking at the thickness comb that the edges were offset.

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