Hello I Would Like Some Help on a Project

That is a pretty bold post.

I for one would like hear why, if you are so sure this is a billion dollar idea, you would come to anonymous forum for engineering help?

Also, what issue do you have with Russian and Chinese engineers? Is this idea military related.

very few engineers are billionaires, are you sure this is the correct pipedream?

Sounds like a scam...

Sounds more like a social experiment. Put up a post with minimal information and big $$$$ and see how many people will jump and fight to get in on the "dream".

Got you to bit too, huh? LOL

Hear are the reasons why it's not a scam one I will never ask you for anything excluding your expertise initially 2 should you see in the value in the idea and only then will we proceed

Simple the market will dictate the price what it can do is equal to it's value and then some

You'll never make a liar out of me i'm a trustworthy person

.. That's a bold statement

No I'm not being bold I'm a very logical person everything I say here is fact Notice how much attention this post has got that is no coincidence I do what I need to get the attention of the right people buzz word No I will classify this is a form of manipulation not necessarily a lie

Attention??? Several of us like to reply to every thread. Did you see the attention on several recent over-unity threads?

Tell you what, P.M. me with a brief synopsis and I will give you my honest opinion. Who knows, maybe I can help you.

Let's say most threads over 7 days average 5 responses a day on average i've done that in a couple hours I'm doing pretty well

We haven't discussed the topic yet.

I'm not impressed with the amount of responses of this thread. One because I am apart of them and two, on 2/1/17 I started the thread Are We Alone, which at this time is in the top 10 of all time for replies on CR4, with 468 replies, 1379 views. It's still slowly going. That's an average of 11.7 a day for the last 40 days.

I have told you I am willing to sign the NDA, haven't seen any other offers on that. If the heart of this topic is not released, I predict this thread will die quickly.

It looks likes this thread just died

No, it just moved to private messaging.

It's military-based and I have already previously looked into the concept and abandoned it, so no I am not going to get the $1000 for proving the concept is worth a billion dollars.

I got PM'd too, also passed on the billion dollars. There's a lot of secret stuff out there that isn't disclosed for general knowledge (for a reason). Tho, I did wish him luck with his endeavors. ?

I think OP Alex12 stated he would pay $1000 to anyone that proved it is not worth 10⁸ dollars.

You should collect on that?

Nope, like him I am not in it for the money.

Why? I don't recall anyone mentioning Hitler...

bang bang....http://www.independent.co.uk/news/new-gun-fires-15m-rounds-a-minute-1240372.html

Yep, that is what alex12 is talking about, but bigger scale. Taking the concept and extending it to long range area effect point defence version to defend against massive projectile, jet or missile ship bombardment, along with the possibility of use as a ship to ship main weapon.

I mentioned to him the problems of projectile range, limited ammo capacity and ammo logistics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0ZAGOuaqg

as an aerospace friend of mine says, "they're making missles faster every day!

I'm a big fan of the seewiz, its quite hard to find or come up with a better (in general) solution to current threats for this neech PD weapon system.

Okay, if you are intentionally pulling our collective leg, this part is really funny....

'...No I'm not being bold ....'

Yeah? Well, I'm not being underlined.

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No, we are just saying that you making a statement typed in bold font.

Any hints as to what this idea is? Bigger than a bread box?

when you cash the check for a grand can you loan me enough for a 12 pack this week end?

I would appreciate anybody with engineering qualifications notify me asap no information will be exchanged first the non Disclosure agreement must be signed and witnessed I can arrange for a non Disclosure agreements to be post to you and postage back time is a factor I predict the world will bring this thing to market within within 3 years anyway i'm just speeding up the timetable (Video verbal contracts in certain countries will be some accepted countries) However they will be long and tedious

The funny part about this invention is it doesn't require that many calculations pretty simple to be honest

It isn't funny at the moment. Abstruse, yes. But not funny.

I'm not asking for anything for free if you can verify that you're a highly qualified engineer I'll probably pay you but in the end I would just take that as an insult if you give me those 15 minutes and you still want to get paid I just give you a lower percentage of Ownership of the device you'd just be screwing yourself out of money anyway

So P.M. me the info for the non disclosure agreement, I'll sign it. If you email it as a pdf, I'll get it back to you a.s.a.p.

what are your qualifications

I am a project manager for the Curtiss-Wright corporation, their Surface Technologies Division. I design, build and test machines for engineered coating applications. I am also the process engineer, designing the processes for all new jobs. Also I am in charge of the maintenance department. I have 33 years experience in the field.

Good enough for you?

Well, J, he got you to spill the beans, didn't he?

I'd like to note that I'm only bringing in qualified engineering because one I would like to get this done as fast as possible two having a qualified Engineers only going to help with that Good old fashioned rubber stamp One thing to go to a powerful person or people with money as an average Joe with no qualifications on the record but to go with the tick of approval from an engineer up stating that everything will work the way it's supposed to is not a completely different story

Sorry, as others have said with so little information provided and what has been provided, this just looks like a scam.

I promise $1000 for just 15min to anybody if they can......

Email me their bank account details?

If this is a real genuine enquiry, perhaps you should try contacting a local university that has a research and development program you could partner up with. As of now we don't even know what country you are in let alone what Engineering disciplines would be relevant to whatever you are offering.

...which is why it is abstruse.

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Haha... He's going to pay you money, but he'll need all your personal information first.....and of course your bank account number to wire transfer the money...phishing

Is your exclusion of Chinese and Russian individuals for ethnicity or citizenship?

How the literal f*** can you justify to me if I train can move at 8000 kilometre per hour the fastest your bullet you can move is mach 5 a train is over taking bullet going 6125.22 kph

Your statement make no sense at all, WTF?

This is not the sort of clarification I was hoping for.

Care to explain?

For anyone reading this and confused this is related to a completely separate CR4 PM discussion on railguns and has nothing to do with this thread.

Well, when you put it that way, it is obvious that I was silly to ask and that you (litterally) couldn't have been more clear.

no hmm nice one it's easy to call somebody crazy without hearing things out i kinda sounds like i'm crazy i understand that I'm sure there's been thousands of people in history who have been proclaim crazy people Then 100 years later Proclaimed geniuses

It sounds like very sound logic wasting time calling somebody crazy on a website this whole comment is a waste of my time

Welcome to CR4. As far as worrying about some on this forum "stealing" your ideas is kinda far fetched, it's Patent Attorneys you really need to worry about! And if you're worried about your idea being stolen, then you need to put in writing your basic ideas with some basic drawings then copyright (©) them. That's called CYA

You're not the first person to come here looking for "help with a project", there are 10 pages of the subject on CR4 and growing. Most, that come here looking for engineering help give some vague idea of what they like to design and build. Vague information results in vague answers if any at all.

As far as the responses to this thread, that because everyone here is always willing to help people that request "Help With A Project". Yes, that statement is an eye catcher, so don't pat yourself on the back just yet.

You should look at Ron Popeil, (who is not a certified Engineer) and what he did with Ronco to bring his "ideas" to market- using catch phrases.

Metal Storm with Rotating 30X3 barrels/magazines with individual suspension increase the spread of the metal storm covering multiple trajectories at once creating small scale trajectory nets isolating areas that you don't want things to pass through large scale version of it could be used to fire rounds consecutively almost all vehicles and with the rights sensory technology setup it would take naval vessels down extremely easily they are very slow moving and are very big Target When compared with jets and other items used by the military

i could cover a 4 foot area to 100 square metres or just start firing multiple consecutive lines

Simply a higher rate of Fire wider spread more precision think of it like a dart board fire at double 2 10 shots at the same time you could be firing at 18 the only extra weight would probably be magazines not the bullets Basic frame could be made out of carbon fibre things such as the barrel magazines make out of whatever material heat resistant enough and strong enough to absorb blast Locking/unlocking for mechanism suspension/Hydraulics one device automatically unscrew them second device to bring in new magazine barrel load it Probably use it takes a few torpedoes same thing just lower velocity explosive rounds maybe

Um guys, this isn't off topic this is actually what alex12 has been hinting to and Jpool and I have been discussing via CR4 mail.

I believe I have covered this in the mail between alex12 and myself but now alex12 has now started posting publicly I will post what I have already below as I feel it would be far more helpful for the thread (hope that's alright alex12). Feel free to add anything if I have missed it (or if you think I am wrong).

Alex12, probably best you post here instead of private mail with me. I have covered most of it and would probably just be repeating myself. A larger audience would help, I cannot be the only one here who has done conceptual design work on the stacked projectile system concept.

You may be, I have not done any work on the stacked projectile system, but I am very familiar with it, Metal Storm, something like 2 million rounds a minute. Not sure how you can turn this into a gatling type gun, how would you reload it at a speed to make it effective? Stacked, caseless ammo is not going to load fast.

alex12 is thinking of lots of barrels (still very, very limited ammo and long reload time).

Conceptually I never came up with a good concept for fast loading while still maintaining the super fast rounds a minute.

About the best I could think of was a rapid magazine loading system giving a burst firing pattern (which should be acceptable). Belt or similar loading just wasn't going to be nearly fast enough and was too bulky, expensive and unreliable since you need lots of barrels with individual loading systems to get the speed back up. Still good for (potentially) replacing standard case ammo.

I don't see how this could be as fast or as effective as the Phalanx CIWS. Plus directed energy weapons are coming down the pipe. To me, precision weapons, rather than, mass projectiles are what is the future. Is this not akin to spraying the sky with AA fire, as in WW2?

Yep, said it all before.

Right, how do I take, "Don't tell me that won't make your piss ant Navy ships obsolete"

I consider Australia as an alley to the U.S., he says he is from Australia, sounds kind of like a threat to me.....

That is the main reason I backed out of helping him, that and everything I could do would be at work, and Curtiss-Wright would have claims on it, as Alex said to me.

My take on his comments was that hi considers a scaled-up metalstorm-like ship to ship system would make modern navy technology and tactics obsolete, rather than a slight against the American navy in general.

OK, maybe true, but I must and did back out because I work for a company that is a U.S. defense contractor.

Yup, I think you nailed it I don't think I'll be committing on this thread any longer, Alex may start thinking he's got more comments per day than .... any other thread

I expect the US Navy is already light-years ahead of this thinking, and has pretty much wiped out any expected threat from over the horizon. Thank you very much.

Guided munitions on US Navy destroyer vessels are already basically one shot, one kill.

"Don't tell me that won't make 'your' piss ant Navy ships obsolete"

That "your" makes it sound pretty personal and direct. Anyhow, that's how I'd interpret it

Yes, I did use Bold type, it seems that's the way I can empathize his statement

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Hi Alex,

As an inventor yourself, I'm sure you're familiar with the life story of Nikola Tesla.

A good part of his life was spent trying to convince people of the magnitude of his inventions, in much the same way as you are doing now.

Some thought him crazy, while others saw his foolish naivety and profited from it.

The entire world is now dependent on one of his most valuable inventions - but he never adequately secured the commercial rights to his own inventions and he never made anything like the amount money from his inventions that he deserved because he was too wrapped up in being an "inventor" - and because of that obsession he ignored the commercial side of his affairs.

He ended up giving his best inventions away for peanuts.

His biggest fault was he was so keen to prove his ideas that he virtually gave them away to the robber barons who trickle fed him enough money to keep him busy while they took all the profits from his inventions.

You won't find robber barons here but you may want to re-read Tesla's story because if you really do have what you claim to have, it sounds like you could easily fall into the hands of modern day robber barons and you could meet the same fate as Tesla.

In spite of all his genius he ended life broke, destitute and begging for a living because he didn't know or care to learn anything about business.

Business and those who have what you need to advance in business are ruthless in their ambition to make money and you need to get some of that ruthlessness before you go spraying your ideas to anyone who'll listen.

From the lesson of Tesla's mistakes I'm suggesting you look at the life stories of inventors who've been successful and made fortunes that they were able to enjoy, and take your life lessons from those, rather than the guy you're sounding like now, Nikola Tesla.

Don't get me wrong here, I have enormous admiration for Tesla's genius but I also have frustration for his bone headed way of handling the commercial side of his affairs and it worries me that you look like you're making the same mistakes as he did, over a hundred years later.

This is not by far my best idea or my most profitable it'd just be the most helpful i've got one that would make me the richest person in the world relies on existing mechanical feats That have been proven I'm just using them in completely different ways I don't really care about money to be honest

and....

and the separate question on railguns and the use of vacuum in the barrel....

If it is something to do with weaponry then it doesn't matter here what the rewards might be, as many CR4 subscribers are bound by moral issues more strongly than by pangs of personal greed.

Further, this is an international forum and not a national one. So the prospect of several nations getting hold of a military idea and using it to rattle each other is not something that many Engineers might countenance. some hive higher principles.

For those reasons, <unsubscribes>.

come on Slack, this is a good one, toy with Mr Arrogant a bit longer

Declined.

all I have to say is

All of it? That's a disappointment...

Multiple versions would simply do a better job there existing defence system and let's talk ammo capacity of three of these things 30x30=10800x3 32400 this ammunition could be expanded precisely at a 180 degree Direction over minutes or hours it gives you much greater flexibility in terms of area you can shoot out one of them can cover multiple areas you simply cannot say that about other Technologies doing same thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS VS half million rpm in any direction

Your posts would be easier to follow, and you might get a bit more credibility, if you learned to use punctuation and paragraphs.

i'm doing most of it via a phone it's not easy i have a 9 to 5 job you try typing this much up on a phone during your breaks i Don't double check my work usually on my phone I don't care about grammar ((Note the ammo capacity is only 1080 the individual gun)) 3X1080=3240 Provide well define evidence as to why it won't work better than a Gatling gun besides ammunition capacity and a small weight increase the trade off being Increase rate of fire Increase coverage area little bit of extra weight that's a good trade off In the worst case of scenarios you'd would be better prepared

this is the competition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure) range limited my device could get about 800 metres with the right set up even further

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-51 has the tendency to destroy itself with its own velocity and can only go straight or make slight changes in it's trajectory making it's very easy to shoot down or being very inaccurate due to not being able to change direction anything going over Mach 6 can have issues dealing with air resistance going to have problems with velocity problems with laser systems are completely useless they can't introduce enough thermal activity to destroy most missiles Rail guns are very slow to shoot you guys/girls Are quick to Talk alot of s*** without providing any technical specifics only useful for stationary targets slow moving large targets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS has a Extremely low coverage area and rate of Fire if they're both running the same Calibre bullets my device would win out in everything but ammo capacity although I could get my gun fully loaded just as quickly

You'd need a much larger version of this gun to take down ships and planes from a distance you'd have to use existing sensory technology

" I don't care about grammar..."

Then how the hell do you actually expect anyone to care about or even read what you wrote. As a communicator, I give you an F-. Anything you have to say after that is on you.

Incorrect grammar and arithmetic do not make a good impression.

Before you go commenting things like that the standard Gatling gun would not be barrels are the magazines essentially it would give it a faster loading mechanic automated loading system think of how fast Formula 1 pit pitstop crews replace a tire it won't be a Gatling gun in terms capacity however it will be getting destroyed in terms of rate of Fire and spread multiple targets at once and as far as I know there's no way of shooting a bullet out of the the air without luck create a scatter shot the size of a football field in allotment of line creating a trajectory net any naval vessels would be destroyed

Were the trial target to be Alex12, then no-one would be surprised.

I wish I lived in the US and I could build guns and make designs for guns legally but I cannot it's very illegal here i have to settled for what I can legally do i'm building a PVC Nerf gun 3 nerf bullets back to back each supplied with adequate air pressure from 3 different directions at a 45 degree angle per nerf bullet essentially mimicking the metalstorm making the Hydraulics being replaced by small scale spring system I won't be able to time each individual nerf bullet firing proving conservation of ammunition can be achieved but i can cover Targets at a much greater distance by increasing bullet density per the area i'm shooting out essentially proving if scale to the right Calibre of bullet covering a 4 metre area with a scatter shot 5km taking your chances of 0% to 100% it would of courses only be used on high grade targets Ammunition conservation has already been proven by The Metal Storm project As well as the ability to time firing i'm just simply putting bullets where they should be

I don't think we could build these guns unless we had a Type 7 F.F.L. (manufacturers)

And if you did get somebody in the states to build it, have you thought about how you would get it imported back to Australia?

Selling it to the country with the biggest wallet (usa usa) and that has a democratically elected president ((moral obligations met)) they are not being very nice lately but whatever

In the end location location location one of the nanny states of the world (australia)

I wish I lived in the US and I could build guns and make designs for guns legally but I cannot it's very illegal here i have to settled for what I can legally do i'm building a PVC Nerf gun 3 nerf bullets back to back each supplied with adequate air pressure from 3 different directions at a 45 degree angle per nerf bullet essentially mimicking the metalstorm making the Hydraulics being replaced by small scale spring system I won't be able to time each individual nerf bullet firing proving conservation of ammunition can be achieved but i can cover Targets at a much greater distance by increasing bullet density per the area i'm shooting out essentially proving if scale to the right Calibre of bullet covering a 4 metre area with a scatter shot 5km taking your chances of 0% to 100% it would of courses only be used on high grade targets Ammunition conservation has already been proven by The Metal Storm project As well as the ability to time firing i'm just simply putting bullets where they should be

Yes I would have to go to the usa provide principle and design to the right people they spend 50 + billion dollars on a jet what do you think they would pay for a gun with the ability to take out those same Jets my gun with A specific sensory technology designed for my gun design And once that's done only the cost of about 1500 rounds of ammunition objects can only move so fast turn at so many angles and the higher speed = less Angles it's a Basic principle when it comes to taking down jets Slowing down won't help them give me an easier Target 1500 round in 0.02 of a second jet are not that fast they can be faster than a bullet they cannot be faster than the spread because of the required distance to moved to get the spread is only 3 Metres to An area of a couple hundred feet If you attached them to missiles attack a relatively low speed Target like a ship or stationary Target fire just outside there ability to take down a missiles haha to sad

((Read carefully))

500000rpm of the Metal Storm is higher by the way so i am low balling here 500000/60=8333 rounds per sec 8333/100 that's 83 rounds per 100 of a second jets at mach 3 3704km/h 3704km/60min=61.733kmh 61.733kmh/60=0.611733kmh/area You'd only need to hit 2.5% of it 0.611733kmh/25= 24.446932m vs 83 rounds If your accounting for delay if that's not the case 24.446932m vs 13.83 rounds because i'm Accounting for the time between bullets getting from point A to point b The area of the jet is going to be greater than 5 square metres Let's use that as a basis but Now I'm not looking to hit the whole thing Just enough of it to destroy it the aa gun of old could fire at a velocity 1000m/s let's half the avg speed over distance 3000m Please correct me if this details Incorrect cuz I really didn't do much research into it 500m/s 83 rounds 1/100 of a second plus 5 1/100 of a second Remember we are targeting a point about the size of a basketball Not the entire thing honeycomb trajectory net I know of no computer or human being that could respond in within 6/100 of second it takes the average human pilot 12/100 of a second to respond in any physical let alone any sort of thought base reaction potentially a specialised computer I don't see how it could analyse this sort of threat fast enough and ever respond to it in any physical manner such is changing directions

Was that one actual sentence? P.W. - is that some sort of record?

Alex12: Go back and learn how to write a coherent statement. Use periods to delineate sentences. Otherwise all your output is garbage. Are you off your ADD meds again? Process and write one thought at a time. That is how the English language is structured. Surely you don't want to tackle re-framing the syntax of English?

Take two Ex-Lax, and come back tomorrow.

After lost of email discussions (starting to devolve into insults against first JPool and now myself) I have suggested to alex12 that he contact Metal Storm Ltd and pitch his ideas. They are local and likely his best (and only) chance partner for his ideas.

Everything else is just a sprited discussion regarding conceptual thinking and personal opinion and not the sort of thing you can go to Kickstarter or into partnership with a business development program or University to develop (being an expensive military development project possibly stepping on Metal Storm's IP and patents).

He was insulting me??? I hadn't noticed, must not be that important to me.

He lost me at the P.M., "Don't tell me that won't make your piss ant Navy ships obsolete"

After that, I didn't care what he said.

Sorry, mate, was lolled into submission by the OT goons!