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Heat Transfer Reduction

09/04/2007 2:40 AM

Good morning every body.

I want to ask about heat transfer reduction in heat transter when I change the material of tube.

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Re: heat transfer reduction

09/04/2007 10:42 AM

hi m2h,

when you change the type of material of course there is will be change in

heat conductivity coeficien, there is different way to represent heat transfer

in tube , sphere , or thin /thick wall,

in special case you can combine the material and you will get different

heat transfer reduction

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/05/2007 7:17 AM

Hi m2h

What was it you wanted to ask?

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/05/2007 8:24 AM

May I join you- asking the SAME Q

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

10/23/2007 7:53 AM

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/05/2007 7:31 AM

Could also be a heat transfer increase depending on the present material and what you are going to.

I think my answer is as vague as the question.

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/05/2007 8:34 AM

Well, as the old saying goes, it all depends.

If you are changing from one metal to another, then the change may not be that great. Of you are changing from a metal to graphite or something that is not a good conductor, then you will probably see a difference.

The main driver on heat transfer is the boundry layer on the tubes, not necessarially the tubes themselves. If you have low turbulance or laminar flow in your heat exchanger, then the material of the tubes will probably not be noticable since the boundry layer efffects will be very high. If you have a high reynolds number, then the resistance of the tube material may come into play as the resistance to heat transfer is much reduced in the boundry layer.

My experience is that the smallest resistance in heat transfer is the tube itself, therefore changing material probably will not change performance much and may in fact not be noticible at all.

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/05/2007 11:15 AM

Depends on the delta T. At high delta T the resistance due to tube material is pretty insignificant, at low delta T the tube resistance may become a small factor. Flow rate, convection, and turbulance are much more important issues.

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09/15/2007 9:03 AM

IMPORTANT WARNING!!

as an example, consider two exchangers provided with tubes respectively made on carbon steel and stainless steel. Thermal conductivity of carbon steel is about three time the stainless steel one. Under same conditions of flowrates, in/out temperatures, kind of involved fluids and thermal duty, U-factor of carbon steel case is higher than stainless steel one, up to two time if fouling factors are very low.

You can check it after an easy theoretical calculation.

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/06/2007 6:03 AM

Consider a hypothetical tube made of a metal, and replace it with a hypothetical tube of similar dimensions made of, well let's take an example material, expanded polystyrene. The heat transfer rate depends on the thermal conductivity of the material, and will, in this hypothetical situation, be much greater for the metal tube on account of its greater thermal conductivity.

Is this going in the right direction?

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09/06/2007 8:55 AM

Presuming the hypothetical expanded polystyrene has similar structural strength, heat exchanger tubes are usually relatively thin, on the order of 0.025 to 0.10" thick. Heat transfer losses from conduction through thin materials are usually low. I will grant metal might have greater heat transfer capability, but the delts T and flow rates (which affect turbulance) have a more significant impact.

If you get a copy of USA Coil's coil sizing program and play around with the configuration options, you can see the minimal impact tube thickness has on heat transfer rate, compared to flow rates and delta T. The reason copper and brass predominates for tube material selection is corrosion resistance and fabrication costs, not necessarily thermal efficiency.

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Re: Heat Transfer Reduction

09/15/2007 7:57 PM

Sound great! Where can I get it in a spray can?

I build a forced air furnace that's located outside. I don't care to heat the outside

The inner and outer skin is seperated by 1" of air.

What do I need, where do I buy it and what's the price.

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09/17/2007 9:34 AM

Tom,

Try the web site: www.USACoil.com for information.

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