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How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/04/2007 4:30 AM

An SS 304 vessel developed a leak during a pressure reaction.On inspection the leak was minor but upon attempting to weld cracks seem to develop around the weld. Tried to drill a hole to establish thickness but...... impossible .The plate seems to have hardened due to some form of corrosion {perhaps Cl ion although alkaline} Can I weld this to plug the leak in some way? some other welding rod? Any ideas?

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/04/2007 12:40 PM

I take this as a used tank due to your remarks on posiible corrosion and or chemical hardening.

Assuming that this is a pressure tank and one being ASME. you should be able to trace the material type and thickness to the original manufacturer. Look for the ASME "U" stamp or "R" Stamp. This will also have the national board number as well as a Serial Number Identifier. And contact the original company that fabricated, they would have material tracibilty records on file.

(Sounds like the crack happen on the HAZ)

If its not an ASME vessel, then it gets harder.

Yes it can be repaired. such as using a backer plate with the required weld prep. (cleaning, grinding, ect..) if possible.

Remember what its uses is for. If your tanks is ASME Certified and your not. That could be alot of liability you picking up.

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/05/2007 1:46 AM

Possibility of cutting a bigger hole seems impossible as you state.

The only possibility remains to weld a patch plate, if still weldable. Select a better material of the tank and replace.

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/05/2007 3:50 AM

,<weld a patch plate>

If you can--from Inside-pressure side.

If NDT dyes REVEAL SMALL SPREAD- go ahead -just deposit metal with manual stick .

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09/05/2007 6:47 AM

MUKULMAHANT is correct I just finished repairing 2 pressure vessels that were 304 ss I tig welded the crack then patched over the area I had to do it on the outside but they held fine at 100 psi

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09/05/2007 7:32 AM

Sound Advice!

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/05/2007 6:52 AM

I would recommend you to take a small sample piece, just enough for micro-structure examination by whatever cold means possible from the leaking area and get it examined for microstructure. Hardening of Stainless Steel can occur by impact such as a hammer stroke during fabrication due to spontaneous transformation of Austenite to Martensite structure.

The easy solution is to remove whole of the defective area and reweld with a fresh piece.

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/05/2007 8:43 AM

Im assuming your crack does not transverse a sealing face?

If the operating temperature isnt too high, I've had sucess with brazing such things.

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09/05/2007 9:46 AM

304 SS should not be cracking like this. I have welded literally miles of this stuff in my career and anytime I got cracks there was a cause other than it just being 304 stainless. I currently oversee the inspection and repair of over 650 tanks and vessels in a paper mill and have seen allot of different problems on tanks. It sounds like some sort of caustic embrittlement to me. You should be able to drill 304 easily with a good cobalt drill bit. I have to ask was the contents concentrated brine or alkaline substance? I have had some really weird corrosion on 304 SS tanks that had brine accumulate in their bottoms. If it were me I would have a piece tested by a lab to see what is causing the cracking. It is my opinion that what usually causes cracks in 304 SS is vibration, improper welding, or wrong filler metal. Are you all using E-308 or ER-308 electrodes which would be the preferred electrode/rod for 304 SS? I have seen sometimes stress from opposing tacks on a flush patch plate cause one or more tacks to crack but this doesn't seem to be your problem to me. If you are going to try installing a patch plate please follow API 653 standard. If this is a pressure vessel and you don't have a R-stamp from the national board my advise would be to get someone that does to fix it. You can be taking on some huge responsibilities if you do it wrong and it fails without the proper certifications.

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09/05/2007 10:01 AM

Awesome, to all of you.

This is why CR4 has become my portal of choice for answers and thought provocation.

Sometimes, early in the A.M., I just post to be included, because I know it will eventually get interesting.

And, as an Inspector type of guy, I cannot re-stress enough the Potential for Liability and the "R" Stamp.

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09/05/2007 9:47 AM

hi dear ,

i think the minor leakage stopped by weld a plat around the leakage if possible welding done by 308l grade material.you try to tig welding process.

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09/05/2007 12:59 PM

Is your company a certified repair facility? NBIC "R" stamp

Welding a doubler on ASME pressure vessel is not an acceptable fix, stress risers may develop around the perimeter.

Remove the defect to sound metal and weld the defects, use NDT to be sure or insert the shell plating.

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

09/06/2007 5:15 AM

The SS vessel has developed heat stresses so if you weld, it will develope leak at other place or get enlarged. So, in my opinion, you have to do stress relieving first at the place, where you are welding. So heat it first before welding. Keep in mind not to oxidize or carbonize the area.

You have not given the size and welding rod used for repairing.

If you give more details, Forum members can give better suggestions.

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Re: How to Correct a Leak in a SS 304 Vessel?

10/08/2024 5:38 AM

The first thing to do is open a dialogue with the Engineer/Surveyor from the company providing burst/collapse indemnity insurance cover on it, and ask for advice there.

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