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Motor Duty

02/04/2018 7:56 AM

Whether a 10 HP S1 duty motor can be replaced with 10 HP S4 duty motor.

Whether a 10HP S4 duty motor can be replaced with 10 HP S1 duty motor.

kindly mention why for yes or no for both the cases.

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Re: Motor Duty

02/04/2018 9:02 AM

The S# duty ratings for a motor refer to how a motor will be used. Properly following these ratings should optimize the lifetime of a motor for the lowest machine lifetime expense. (I don't like how that is phrased.) Bearing clearances are a common difference in these motor ratings but it is not the only difference. For instance, a continuous duty motor can have more "play" in its bearings before reaching thermal equilibrium than a short time duty cycle motor.

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02/04/2018 10:14 AM
S1Continuous dutyThe motor works at a constant load for enough time to reach temperature equilibrium.
S2Short-time dutyThe motor works at a constant load, but not long enough to reach temperature equilibrium. The rest periods are long enough for the motor to reach ambient temperature.
S3Intermittent periodic dutySequential, identical run and rest cycles with constant load. Temperature equilibrium is never reached. Starting current has little effect on temperature rise.
S4Intermittent periodic duty with startingSequential, identical start, run and rest cycles with constant load. Temperature equilibrium is not reached, but starting current affects temperature rise.
S5Intermittent periodic duty with electric brakingSequential, identical cycles of starting, running at constant load and running with no load. No rest periods.
S6Continuous operation with intermittent loadSequential, identical cycles of running with constant load and running with no load. No rest periods.
S7Continuous operation with electric brakingSequential identical cycles of starting, running at constant load and electric braking. No rest periods.
S8Continuous operation with periodic changes in load and speed Sequential, identical duty cycles run at constant load and given speed, then run at other constant loads and speeds. No rest periods.
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02/04/2018 10:23 AM

Yes but there might be consequences to the maintenance requirements and life cycle of the motor...in both cases

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02/04/2018 12:39 PM

Yes for both questions...because you CAN do it, does not mean you SHOULD do it. Depends on the application.

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02/04/2018 1:20 PM

You can use the motor rated for continuous duty in the low duty application. It is made to work at rated output 24/7. The light duty motor will probably have a shorter life, as well as a lower cost for low temperature insulation, cheaper bearings etc, when used in 24/7 service - but it will be cheaper. When it fails you must buy another and you will not have any warranty - not made for 24/7. Continuous duty stuff is made better and costs more. Reminds me of the Chinese cheap socket spanners - the ones that break to avoid over stress on bolts and nuts...

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Re: Motor Duty

02/04/2018 4:05 PM

Anything <...can...> be done.

It is a matter of judgement as to whether things should be done and the <...why...> will be the outcome of that judgement.

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Re: Motor Duty

02/05/2018 4:51 AM

S4 duty is more stringent involving frequent high currents through the stator windings as well as in the rotor.

Hence, it is possible to use S4 duty motor for S1 and not vice versa.

S1 duty motor if used for S4 duty may suffer rotor thermal damage more specifically.

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Re: Motor Duty

02/05/2018 7:24 AM

Dear Mr. SRINIVASAN,

S1 duty motor can be replaced by S4 duty. But, S4 duty Motor should be replaced only by S4 duty motor and NOT by S1 duty motor.

For S1 duty the frequent on-off will not be there, load will be more or less constant.

But S4 duty motor S is designed for 300 starts per hour and SHOULD NOT BE REPLACED by S1 Motor, since S1 is NOT designed for 300 start-on and off.

Hence the starting current for 300 starts will be always higher, and many times in transient state continuously and some times the motor has to start against the load. The winding temp. of S4 duty Stator as well as ROTOR will be always higher than the S1 duty motor.

Further the S4 Motor will be subjected to sudden or instant reversal direction starting, and the Torque demand will be high and where as for S1 it is not so

Hence S1 duty motor should not be placed and used where S4 Duty is demanded.

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02/05/2018 10:09 AM

"300 starts per hour" is 5 starts per minute. That's a start every 12 seconds.

Are you sure that number is correct?

I'm asking because I can't find any data to verify the 300 starts per hour and believe that the number of starts depends on number of poles and wiring of the motor, also.

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02/07/2018 10:31 AM

Yes Mr.lyn.

It is 300 starts per hour as specified in INDIAN STANDARDS INSTITUTION. It is 12 seconds gap between starts. Hence the kick load, and winding temp. effect is considerable when compared to S1 duty, Motor is of constant running, no. of starts per hour is less.

I will try to get the copy of the standards and post here, in 2 days time.

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Re: Motor Duty

02/08/2018 12:13 AM

Key:

P= load t= time PV= electrical losses TC= time of one load cycle Θ= temperature

ΔtD= starting/accelerating time Θmax= maximum temperature attained ΔtP= operation time at constant load ΔtR= time de-energized and at rest Cyclic duration factor = (ΔtD + ΔtP)/TC

The appropriate abbreviation is S4, followed by the cyclic duration factor, the moment of inertia of the motor (JM) and the moment of inertia of the load (Jext), both referred to the motor shaft.

Example: S4 25 % JM = 0,15 kg × m2 Jext = 0,7 kg × m2

In my opinion,if P[S4]=<P[S1] you may use S1 duty motor as S4.The problem is the bearing could be quickly worn out.

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02/11/2018 12:33 AM

The overlapping of the two duties - S1 and S4 - was unsuccessful. I think the present diagram is correct.

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