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09/18/2007 11:14 PM

CAD was way after my time and I have been considering learning how to use a reasonable drawing package. I am not going to spend any money on it because it is of limited use to me, and I also don't want to spend a life-time figuring out how to use it. So far my best find has been trueSpace3.2 by Caligari. I have literally just popped the box (so to speak) and hitting buttons randomly produced the picture underneath. It appears to have potential, but does anybody have knowledge of this or better freeware to use (before I invest time in getting to grips with trueSpace). It may just save you all from some of the diabolical sketches I occasionally scan and post. I stress the point that I just randomly hit a few buttons for the 'whatever' depicted below. Constructive comment may inspire me to learn and draw something of use.

trueSpace saves in a ".scn" format which is a slight annoyance for copying to CR4

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09/21/2007 1:41 PM

I am beginning to salivate Randall ! I see your point, but using software to do a job completely is maybe a bit questionable (?). Applying some basic geometric knowledge to at least double check auto-solutions seems prudent to me - we've all seen the howlers that get produced when some folk blindly plug numbers into a calculator (not noticing all the extra zero's that mistakenly crept in or out). Tinkering with the simpler software forces the brain to work a bit more (IMHO). I'll grab a turbocad download as you suggest, in order to give me broader insight.

(I may cheat, and just post up a tomahawk for those interested to print as a template ! They can then paste it to their screens as required.).

Just by way of general comment, I didn't pitch this thread at a specific level or application. More as a free for all, so people could add within their own frame of reference. Anything from freeware to help the kids, to high-end CAD packages is fine by me. Many people have used 'paint' within CR4, though it's laborious from what I hear ( but it does the job here) - some of the stuff mentioned in this thread is free and probably more versatile/quicker.

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09/20/2007 2:05 PM

Hey Kris,

I hope you are going to test all these and publish you findings save bazy lastards like me having to do any work.

Cat give Devil many stars as I recon this thread going to be useful to loads of us!

Nice one Kris.

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09/21/2007 1:57 AM

...save bazy lastards like me ....

Why the heck do you think I started this ! LOL. I will eventually post up 2 identical pictures, one made with trueSpace and the other with Sketchup. If I try to evaluate all the great stuff people have kindly offered-up, I may be doing so for a long time. Glad kitty is pleased. Starting something useful might ruin my rep though !

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09/21/2007 3:20 AM

Whoops...derrrr. Yes My brain hurts.

Yeh that would be why you posted wouldn't it.

(Who are you calling wooden tit?)

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09/21/2007 4:13 AM

LOL. Dante take ita perzonell.

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09/21/2007 11:04 AM

It's off to purgatory for me.

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I always thought purgatory was something you found in a drug store... or at the pharmacist's

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Too late for that, lucky we are a forgiving bunch eh!

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09/20/2007 2:17 PM

Sincerely.

What a great topic. I use Autocad 2006, mechanical desktop, inventor, 3D Vis, Map3D, and Civil at home. Obviously all Autodesk.

I was looking into Alibre awhile back but fell $ short at that time. I have since been very eager to bring a less cumbersome package to my portable pc. something quick, light and convertible and moderatley beefy.

So as Del requested, do the research, post your findings and await the staggering praises and contradictions which are sure to follow.

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09/21/2007 1:35 AM

Seemed like nobody has came across a CAD software called DesignCAD.

I'm currently using DesignCAD 3D Max 16 for drawing floor plans/elevations/details/etc. It's very easy to learn and use, capable both 2D (which I do most) and 3D drawings. Has affordable/reasonable price. The latest release is v18 priced at US$99.95.

The software has been purchased by IMSI and offered as one brand aside TurboCAD.

It's available online DesignCAD 3D MAX . Sadly, no trial version offer anymore.

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09/21/2007 9:47 AM

One thing you left out, willyp06 (t), is it cross platform, i.e., can a MAC or Linux user run it? Also, what is its file format, is it compatible with the dxf foramt? Usually, in engineering, the sharing of documentation is a M U S T!

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09/21/2007 2:38 AM

(Sigh...) Am I the only person on CR4 who uses and likes Autocad?

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09/21/2007 4:19 AM

You're not alone, I started with AutoCAD 10 & moved up the line. I now use Inventor 2008 & really like it.

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09/21/2007 4:30 AM

For basic draughting, charts, circuits etc. Visio is an easy to use drag & drop programme.

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09/22/2007 11:36 PM

After some thought, I guess which software to use depends on what you need or want to do.

If you just want to create an image to post on CR4, probably any of the free drawng programs will work. Which one you use will depend on your taste and individual learning curve.

If you need to produce a simple illustration or production drawing, one of the basic drafting programs will work. An example is DeltaCAD, a program available for about $40 US.

For a more detailed drawing, something like AutoCAD or Microstation may be needed.

For a 3D image of a single item, almost anything that handles 3D should be able to do what you need.

For a 3D assembly, something along the line of Mechanical Desktop, Inventor, SolidWorks, etc. should do the job.

At this point I need to bring up a difference between drawing and drafting programs. Drawing programs usually create raster images, that is, they work on the pixel level. Drafting programs create vector images. They not only create the image, they deal with the math behind the image.

To illustrate this difference, the drawing that Vulcan posted had dimensions. To create those dimensions, I'm sure he had to draw each part of the dimensions: the extension lines, the dimensions lines with arrows, and the dimension text. Drafting programs have dimension commands that allow you to pick a line, or the end ponts of a line, and it creates all the lines and text in a single operation. If a drafter is working on a drawing that requires a large number of dimensions, leader notes, etc., he can do it faster in a drafting program than he can in a drawing program.

This difference between drawing and drafting programs can make a difference in creating a bill of materials or intergrating drawing inforrmation into an accounting system. One client I worked for used an accounting system called SAP, and they were able to take information from the models and drawings and incorporate it into that system.

3D modeling programs can also create stereolithography files for prototyping machines. I once worked on a project where I created .STL files and got to see the parts. I could say more, but the project was for the military, so if I did say any more about it, I'd have to kill everyone who reads this thread.

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09/23/2007 1:26 AM

While not actually a drafting or CAD program, Adobe Illustrator uses vector graphics and is quite useful for technical illustrations.

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09/24/2007 4:31 AM

Graphics programmes like CoralDraw also have dimensioning tools & can produce exact geometric shapes.

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09/24/2007 8:39 AM

Graficalc:-

http://www.inventbetter.com/graficalc.php4

is another interesting concept which will no doubt have loads of imitators in the near future.

It quite effectively combines the power of a (low end) CAD package and a (low end)spread sheet.

Like several other packages the off the shelf cost is fairly high, but, if you download the demo. package, register and wait you get some fairly reasonable "upgrade" offers.

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09/24/2007 10:24 PM

Kris,

Do you want a drawing package or a drafting package? Do you want to make cool 3D pix of stuff like these...

...or boring 3D technical drawings like this one:

All images were made by various individuals using POV-Ray, a free ray-tracing graphics package. Get it now, while supplies last.

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09/25/2007 1:46 AM

Wow europium, my eyes just fell out of my head ! All I started off thinking was something fairly easy to do 'napkin-doodles' a bit clearer. I don't want POV-Ray, I want a europium, superglued to my desk ! Thanks man - it's awesome.

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09/25/2007 2:34 AM

Yeah!...Show off ain't he...

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09/25/2007 4:00 AM

He's American ! whoops, that was me being stereotypical (It's a Brit thing). My liking for our American friends increase exponentially, as it does for others, all via the great CR4.

I'm salivating over those valves;

Mine's a cheat picture, but it's a very cool piece of kit.

Some of the stuff that can be done with software is amazing, especially the fractal drawing stuff because of the surprise element.

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09/25/2007 4:55 PM

Hey Kris,

Are you an audiophile? Yes? Yes?

No one drools over valves like that unless they appreciate what those valves can do, no?

Tessellated Fractal Roof-Tile Person,
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09/26/2007 6:05 AM

Sadly the audio stuff is another gaping hole in my knowledge. However, there's something almost sexual when you see stuff built that way. When people lovingly restore/re-create that stuff it's a beaut just to look at. Also, if you walk into a room, you sometimes stop, and just know it's got to be valve driven sound. Having said that, I still weep over the demise of Gate-fold sleeves on vinyl.

Over here, a '99' is an ice cream. Usually with a 'flake' in it ! PMSL

For many years, I was mis-lead by the term 10-gallon hat. I also thought the Yellow rose was your State flower until I just checked. Bluebonnet - I thought that was hats as well ! Next thing I know, somebody will be saying Dallas wasn't a reality series.

I'll slate you in for more later. Roger Mellie is outlawed on CR4 !

ps - I've got a cool valve story I'll dig up for you sometime.

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C'mon you guys! I just posted the link, I didn't do the artwork (see bottom of my post, and note credits at the bottoms of most of the pix). I do use POV-Ray, though, except that right now I can't get it to work on my Intel Mac (Apple is aware of the problem). If I can resurrect the hard drive on my old WinDoze machine, I'll post some of the stuff I did on that machine. One piece is a rotating, iridescent soap film bordered with specular gold beads (technically a Henneberg Minimal Surface. And yes, POV-Ray lets you do very nice animations). The other is a transparent marble sphere (illuminated from within) rolling over the ground (not on the ground) and through various crystalline ellipsoids. Something you typically see on a starry night, non? I'll post these at some point.


Now about that Being-an-American business. Not only is it true (sadly), it's actually worse than that. I'm a Texan, and that says it all. Y'all.

(PS: 'Texas' is derived from 'Tejas,' a Spanish word (allegedly said to be derived from a Native-American word) meaning "friends")

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I thought it meant roof tile in Spanish! (Then again, my Spanish is pretty rubbish! Only been 'trying' to learning it for 6 years so I could be way off!) Lucky your name is not Len! ie Lentejas-Lentils, now that would make me laugh!! Sorry, Been a hard day at work!! too much sun....think I'll have a siesta

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Heck, as far as I know tejas may actually mean "roof tile!" I'm just going by what the PR people tell me.

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Pulling yer legs could be real fun ! Mr Brains addition of you possibly being tessellated is inspired. LOL. I'm living in Kent, so I'd best shut up. Being born in Essex attracts even worse jokes. Can you believe the French used to call us Brits 'Lobsters' ! Strange but true (think miliitary uniform).

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Can you believe the French used to call us Brits 'Lobsters' !

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OMG! You should never have told me that! heehee

Oh, boy, is this gonna be fun!!!

(Quick! Somebody duct-tape PlbMac to a chair cuz he's probably gonna go ballistic just thinking about some Texan (of all people!) poking jabs at Brits! )

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Kris,

Brit nicknames! Why are the people from Hartlypool called Monkey Hangers?

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Probably for the same reason people from Louisiana call themselves "coon-asses?"

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Not exactly! google it!

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Oh my! Does this mean the monkey was of genus Crapeaux Sapiens?

I need a banana. Mayor?

MAYOR!!!

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Gimme one of those...

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09/26/2007 6:32 AM

" I was drunk as a judge your honour."

" You mean drunk as a Lord ! "

" Yes m'lud "

I really must stop fooling around ,and produce some drawings with all the links folk have supplied ! I expected a couple of useful bits of software, but theres been an avalanche of stuff. Hope all (including those just reading and not posting) have found something of use to their purpose. If I post another scanned doodle after all this I'll deserve the barrage I get ! Thanks to all who've contributed.

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I'm glad I paused , I was about to launch into a long description ! Some people from up there still get up-tight if taunted about it. That's about the worst thing to do. He he he. Taking the **** out of each others regional accents etc is a national sport in Blighty. Have some more fun here.

ps- europium. I think PlbMak is from what we call 'carrot munching' territory, on account of the large expanses of open fields for agriculture. Del 'the absent' cat is from 'Chav central'. They're gonna kill me. As mentioned, I was born in Essex and even lived in Basildon (like Stinky Pete). I escaped, more recently ending up here.

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I you're a man of Kent, we're almost neighbours, I'm in 1066 country.

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He he.. I'd noticed before. There's a couple of us CR4ers South of the Thames. Occasionally I take the kids on a day out to Hastings/Rye - I prefer the latter, but of course they like the amusement type stuff in Hastings. Wahh ! That bunch from London and further NE are a shower aren't they.Bally well let the side down. LOL (that'll bring 'em out). I'm a sort of interloper - most of my life living in one part of England or another. Are those lifts in Hastings 'water' ones ? I've not been on them. The town has a real 'Deco' architecture feel to it in places.

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09/26/2007 7:02 AM

Rye is quite interesting but I still get lost in the one way system.

The funicular railways are driven by an electric motor aided by the two carriages counterbalancing each other, they've both been out of action recently, one for refurbishment & the other had a derailment that caused minor damage. I'm not sure if either is working again yet. Hastings has some charm but it's mainly confined to the 'old town' area.

If you're going to visit, try the 13th October & take in the Hastings Day parade & firework display, it will be one of the best displays you will see. (I'm a little biased because I'll be with the guys on the beach lighting the fireworks.)

Although I work in Hastings I live 10 miles down the coast.

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Hey, that's really cool about the fireworks ! Where's the best view, down on the front or up on the cliffs ? Not sure if I can make it without some checking, but it sounds like fun. I mentioned the lifts because Folkestone (not far from me) has similar. At one time there were 3 I think, and a restoration project for one of them is sort of slowly happening. At one time Folkestone had some charm, not much now sadly. Best be careful or our Scottish chums will invade talking Falkirirk Wheel ! They're on another plane though.

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The front is best if you like the energy of the crowd but the West hill is better if you prefer a quieter view.

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Diary permitting, I'm there !

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So how's the drawings going Kris? Have you had time to try any of the programs yet?(LOL!) So is it true what they say about Essex girls? It's true what they say about the Scummers (Southampton Girls!) Grew up there, dated a fair few, got the t-shirt, ran away!! They are scary people who won't take no for an answer, not that I was going to say no in the circumstances, but after a while, self preservation kicks in!!!

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09/26/2007 1:37 PM

I've downloaded a bucket-load. In time something will emerge.

Talking of which, you were in Southampton - are you sure it was a gal ? A friend of mine had a slightly embarrassing experience in the far East. It was a friend, not one of those slightly personal problems.

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09/27/2007 11:35 AM

You've downloaded a bucket-load of what? Essex girls or Southampton girls? Jeeze, Kris, you're such a letch.

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09/27/2007 3:14 PM

No, no....Mr Brain was in Southampton, I merely visited upon Essex. Too many Sailors in Southampton for me to chance it.

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I thought they all went down with the Titanic. Perhaps Mr. Cameron hadn't done his homework? Hollywood really should be more rigorous.

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A popular conspiracy says it was the Gigantic !

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09/28/2007 11:25 PM

..........and WHAT is wrong with sailors may I ask.

I was a sailor once, in the Royal Australian Navy. I suppose ther is some difference come to think of it, between the RAN and the RN. We were far more cultured than those of our "shipmates" in the RN.

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09/28/2007 11:42 PM

Kris is a fragile lad with delicate features, so he must take care when venturing out.

Also, I suggest you watch it around him. One false step and he'll change your name to "SPOTTED."

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09/29/2007 2:23 AM

He isn't frightened of sailors is he?

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09/29/2007 2:48 AM

Scared to death after his five years as cabin boy!!!

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Did they call him Roger?

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Being from Silicon Valley, I have absolutely no idea what the heck you're talking about! You'll have to give me a hint!

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09/29/2007 3:22 AM

Captain Pugwash had a cabin boy called Roger, Roger the cabin boy! Get it? (don't know if you guys use the word roger or not but loosely translated it means to perform an act of procreation on the said cabin boy!)

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I see !!!!!!

"Throw me another cabin boy................."

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LOL. europium was being careful with his choice of words. The Urban Myth of Staines et al.

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When I was I kid we used to go 20-30 miles out in the Gulf in a 24' CruiseCraft to fish for King Macs and shark.

In preparation, I took a 2 day class (organized by my step-dad and his cohorts) to gain some knowledge about good fishing practices. Long story short; at the end of it all the old salt offered me and the other 2 young men a certificate of completion.

It read: "This is to certify that Charlie 'Tres' Rummel is now recognized as a Master Baiter"

Ohhhhh, how they laughed when we read our 'certificates' out loud!

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Just like this?????

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Yes, I came to know it as a great joke. But at age 12, I thought it so uniquely personal.

Now I am waiting for my boys to turn 12!

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When you shave, be sure you shave the palm of your hand(s), too.

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Just don't get caught looking at the palms of your hands to see if they need shaving.

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My vision is so bad I can't see the hair!

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I have inspired my teenage son to take an interest in electical circuitry. Suggesting that he can make a circuit to flash a lamp when anyone approaches his bedroom door, has done more then his School teachers have managed. Well, I guess we've all been there. All things have an application !

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Just as well one is not on the Good Ship Venus Kris!!!!!

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I didn't know you lot had spiked hair down-under ! Anybody curious will just have to google that one, I ain't saying.

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From Singapore to Dover?!

WOW. I'm not sailin' with you guys!

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Hey, your picture has changed to profile. What were you arrested for ? I hope you're not in Hartlepool !

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Je vengerai mes ancêtres!

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Quite right too, remember it was Hartlepool ('oop North' as they say) though.

This week there is due to be a TV programme on Ham, and his training. All sorts of nasty endurance/isolation type stuff. Still, I suppose he got back to Earth and had (reportedly) been found in a market for bush-meat.

Having so far been remiss in my drawing, I pinched this still from a film (that explains how higher dimensions can simplify math);

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What would they have done if it was a kangaroo??

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Sent it to Au.......Doh ! (Link for non English speakers).

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You're right we all come from good stock down here, only the best!!!

However, what if it was a platypus?

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What grinds me is that you all seem to now lead an idyllic life ! Can we send you some hoodies ? At leas you had the good sense to kick 'snoop Dogs' butt back to the USA. Shame about the indigenous people around Alice Springs. Nah, not having a go - it happens all round the world. At least Oz people are independent thinking and see themselves as having a global place. I LOL'd myself silly reading how y'all told GW + retinue where to go. Good on ya ! The only bit that baffles me is that people fall for the whole 'drop-bear' thing. A bit like them haggis running around in Scotland.. Spring-heeled Jack does a fair turn himself.

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Shame about the indigenous people around Alice Springs.

It is? Oh yes.......... of course it is.......I think!!!

Now I shouldn't have said that, should I?

I read in the news this evening that Australia, Britain and Israel have "expressed interest" with the US to carry out "surgical" bombing raids on Iran. This "expression of interest" amused me, as does "surgical."

Must go now, gotta go bush teaching, or something like that.

Seeya in the soup.

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'expressed interest' means they've carried out detailed strategic ananlysis. The conclusion was 'We can't get away with it.... yet.'

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Did you hear any more of the rumor that Israel bombed Syria yesterday?

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Huh ?

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Yes vermin,but, it is of interest to note that before the bombing raid, they carried out an undercover raid and knocked off some uranium and had proof that it came from North Korea.

Ah ha the thot plickens.

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ositively poozes.

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Huh! My ancestors were mentioned in the first paragraph!

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Did they slather as well ?

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No, those guys just foamed at the mouth.

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That's lather. ( Except I doubt got handy travel packs with toothbrush and mini-soap)

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Forgot to mention Kris the reason those convicts that had 7 year terms stayed in Australia was because they couldn't afford the airfare back, They had to stay!!!!!

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Sure! Why wouldn't anyone want to stay in the land of the "most poisonous things is the world" country?! Dang! Even the cows have poison spikes on their udders!!!

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You are not referring to our girls are you vermin????

Also you are probably right about them there poisonous things. We also have a few problems with those things that swim in the sea, not box jellyfish or coral snakes, but those big things with sharp teeth..............not salt water crocagators,but sharks.........white pointers. I do not have a problem with them, as we made a pact many years ago

.........."I don't swim in their sea and they don't swim in my beer.

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Maybe that's why people talk of 'the 7-year itch'. Where do all the gorgeous Oz girls go now that the equally nice Polish ones work over here ? I was in London yesterday, and reading the local papers , even sharing a room in some outskirt of London can cost 120 GBP/p.w. ! A bit much if you're waitressing etc. The Oz targeted magazine TNT was full of adverts for cheap rate container shipping back to Oz.

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I remember hearing on a very widely broadcast sit-com that if a girl in Australia wasn't sexually experience at 13, she was considered slow. Is this really true?!

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True that you heard it ? Probably. True that she couldn't run ? Almost certainly.

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I didn't know waitressing Kris!!!!!!!!

All the gorgeous Oz girls have got fat due to a splendid diet of fast food.

Off to the bush again until Friday. Some people have all the luck.

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I should have been more generalised and said 'Service Industry'.

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Back from the bush for the weekend.

......and what was that "Service Industry?"

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Well helping people of course !

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Oh!.......... Thanks for that Kris, I am pleased that that point is cleared up.

Probably something wrong with my mind??? After all it is a little confused most times.

You know that's what happens when you carry on teaching and you are an old fart.

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I'm glad you didn't stick an extra full-stop in that least sentance ! Teaching's a noble profession, but it must require a certain level of insanity. If true, I'd certainly meet at least one of the selection criteria.

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Point taken and I might add very astute.

A certain level of insanity is essential, it gets you through those hard times and there are certainly some of them. I must admit it is a lot easier teaching mature age students than the younger rabble, They are there because they not only have to learn but, actually want to learn.

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Oh, really?

Any good supervisor, especially in engineering, must be a teacher. When one floats at the top of the pyramid, he is supported by buoyancy provided by those under him. In order for him to rise to new heights, he must raise the heights of each layer below, thus imparting his knowledge (or knowhow) to the two supporting him so they can fill the void left when he move upward. Anyone with ambition to improve knows this and works hard to train his replacements while graciously accepting the training from those whom he supports. Also, if he is wise, he will reach out and continue his education from what ever source he can find, realizing that he can never know too much. Learning is on ongoing requirement of life.

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Speaking of "old farts", I bet none are older than mine.

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I wouldn't bet on that one...........you need to ask those I work with and most of my students.

Re your previous to this, certainly fair comment. Thanks chtank.

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