Disguising the H2O2 bad taste.

some people advise that rather than ingesting hydrogen peroxide that we observe the warning label which suggest, and I quote "for external use only'

here......is one such example.

It seems some folks have expressed concern in Canada as well.........here.

Who in the hell is suggesting that you eat poison? Either someone is trying to kill you or you do not care to live, but I implore you to spend at least 30 minutes researching what you are doing.

My God, where do junk ideas like this come from? I wish I had caught a ride on Halle-Bop.

I would be surprised to find that hydrogen peroxide can last long enough in our GI to get into the bladder and urethra, since all animal cells produce an abundance of peroxidase to rapidly remove peroxide from our systems (it is highly toxic at a cellular level and organic peroxides are constantly produced, evolutionary method to combat the build up of peroxides is peroxidase). Let alone all the reduced organic compounds in our intestines that would degrade hydrogen peroxide as they react. I would guess that if you have an infection in the bladder, there are better delivery systems for anti bacterial agents, and probably safer anti bacterial agents to use. Hydrogen peroxide can oxidize to almost any organic compound (except some organo halides), equating to damage at a molecular level, i.e. you can damage DNA, RNA, protein, etc. if the peroxide overwhelms the peroxidase and make it into a cell.

Ditto

Stop!!!! Hydrogen peroxide has no taste. The disgusting taste is the dead cells that the peroxide has killed!

The only reason hydrogen peroxide is used even on the outside of skin is because it kills almost everything it touches. Poisoning yourself will get rid of the problem.... But not the way you think! http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/R/R_i_p_.asp

It is a Toxin that is Imedieately Dangerous to Life and Health with a dose as little as 75 parts per milliion

From Energency response Guide

HEALTH
• TOXIC; inhalation, ingestion or contact (skin, eyes) with vapors, dusts or substance may cause severe injury, burns or death

Here is the known data on Hydrogen peroxide from NIOSH

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/772841.html

Tell that to Dr. Douglas, and all the biooxidative medical professionals.....

I am an RN and I sometimes work in one such clinic....and OMG. we actaually infuse food grade hydrogen peroxide intraveiniously!!! Guess what you morons....Insurance usually pays for it too. You ought to ask these COPD, and cancer patients their "personal" opionion before you go spouting off what the FDA tells you. Don't be a sheeple.

oh, please reply to my line.... even though it will be more sheeple rhetoric.

Bahhhh!

At what purity levels are you injecting Guest.

Ah yes, the H2O2 racket. Sucker Sity LOL

Strange how the injection of a substance that costs about 1 cent a gallon costs so much.

The insurance pays? Never. these fake clinics give you forms to fill for insurance, and when you presen them they are denied, yet you have paid cash.

I also heartily recommend Del's suggestion of the cranberry juice. Not sure why it works but it is effective against UTI's. It is always our first course of action and if it doesn't clear up in a couple of days, then it is time to see the doctor for something more powerful.

It works the best because it completely changes the acidity (PH) level to a point where the bacteria cannot survive. The purer the Cranberry the better. Be careful while purchasing. read the ingredients carefully. Pure cranberry juice typically will run you about $12.00 per liter(quart). The cheaper = the more diluted.

I bet AshrafSiddiqui could hook him up with a good shaman.

cranberry juics does not kill the bacteria, it interferes with their adhesion to the walls of the ureters, bladder and urethra. Once they cannot adhere, they cannot form a film and creep upstream. It will not kill an established infection, but it is a good prophylaxis to eat 2 ounces of craisins a day.

http://www.oceanspray.com/products/craisins.aspx

There is an illness called "honeymoon cystitis"

works there to as a prophylaxis

http://honeymoons.about.com/cs/femalebody1/a/cystitis.htm

Damn, son! You'd be better off pissing on an electric fence!

I think it best you consult a doctor or specialist in this field! Would you ask a doctor how to grind a crank? No! Would you ask an Engineer how to treat TB? No! Ask a doctor and get the correct treatment! I'm sure they will know what is best for you!

you seem to be the victim of many myths. Why are you on an engineers site? You cannot be one or you would shed these myths.

hydrogen peroxide has one role in people, wound cleaning. A protective enyzome called peroxidase breaks it up, ealeasing nascent oxygen, a cell killer and mutagen. That is why it fizzes on open curs. Kills germs and surface cells.

eating it does zero good at all. None of the H2O2 reaches the bladder . It all decomposes in the stomach.

you are ignorant.

Seriously, I don't kno any physician who would prescribe hydrogen peroxide internally. On occasion as a gargle for dental/gingivitus reasond, but never internally. By the time it reaches the areas you need, it's no longer the peroxide. pH control is what you're after, athe cranberry juice specified (not prescribed, take notice tort lawyers!) above will work as well as anything else, aswill anything with live acidolophus (live yoghurt, &c). The real question is which mixes best woth gin of vodka. (This is not medical advice, jsut anectdotal information)

Do these bacteria keep you up at night with their talking? How long have you had these bacteria? Are you at constant war with the bacteria in your bladder, urethra, and penis? If so, it doesn't sound like you're winning!

Perhaps you might want to talk to a doctor?

Dear Cornelius,

Please heed the advise of these scientific and engineering friends before you do irrepairable damage to yourself.

Cornelius, I hope you're still with us (in all senses). I agree with all the dire warnings people have posted, but would be interested to know more of what you've been doing. Who lead you to believe in this therapy, what concentration have you used, for how long etc.

There's no shortage of people who will suggest quack-remedies to you. That's always been the case, but even more so now we have the internet. Some of the people out there seriously don't care if you die. In my opinion Homeopathy is rubbish, but is unlikely to kill you (other than if you ignore more proven treatments for a serious ailment). Here is another questionable 'treatment'.

Go see a proper Doctor, and if uncertain get a second or even third opinion, but don't drink rocket fuel.

For Urinary tract infections, drinking plenty of water is probably one of the best things you can do. For cystitis, some people suggest adding small amounts of bicarbonate of Soda to combat acidity. Ignore me and ask a qualified Doctor about all this stuff.

I hope we hear back from you. Good luck in finding a treatment that works.

You should seek a new doctor!!! That stuff is poison. Drink water instead. If you have bacteria in your system you need a real doctor.

I thought (as with many compounds) that they were mixed first with water to some percentage needed for the job in hand.

It cannot be that poisonous (especially in diluted form) if it cleans wounds (have seen that personally) and can be used as a mouth wash (have also used it for that reason!).

Although I am no doctor, there is a form of medicine which mixes very poisonous things with say a million times that amount of water (just as an example!) and this almost "nothing" mixture helps certain illnesses....almost magically.

I am guessing, but I would say that a weak solution of H2O2 probably will not hurt anyone and is probably gone in the stomach area as someone else already mentioned, but who is to say from us, if this will have some beneficial effect on certain ailments......

It certainly is a possibility that ought to be studied first I feel......

H₂O₂ is a powerful oxidising agent and causes skin burns. It cannot be formed into a tablet.

http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/HY/hydrogen_peroxide_30pc.html

For safety's sake, please stop ingesting it and consult a doctor. IMMEDIATELY!

Surely that only happens when taken undiluted or should I say, not diluted enough!

Otherwise how could you use it for cleaning wounds and as a mouthwash, both of which are quite normal uses for Hydrogen peroxide.....?

Using it to turn other hair colors Blond is well known, and in that form or strength (unknown to me, I am a natural hair color person!!), it is not very nice for the skin as some pseudo Blonds can tell us.....the smell alone when I am having my hair cut of the chemicals used to dye hair for other customers is appalling enough!! YUKKK!!

My point is, is it still dangerous when diluted correctly?

It is used topically to clean wounds because it kills everything it touches. The use of hydrogen peroxide is like taking a baseball bat to a fly.There are other better products that clean wounds without killing the tissue as well most medicines will kill the bacteria without killing the host

Normally your upper layer of skin is dead already, so to kill the exposed tissue has little danger of causing problems. (for people who like to take a baseball bats to a fly) All the cells inside your body are living and should not be killed by poisoning since you cannot target only the bad bacteria you may kill billions of good cells and actually help the bacteria.

Hydrogen peroxide has no benefits to anything alive and should never be taken internally. It should be used externally only if there is nothing else around.

As said in earlier posts, the use of cranberry juice or doctor prescribed antibiotics is the best way to go.

I reference Wikipedia in English and found that with domestic solutions of 3% or less (which is what is in lens cleaners and mouth washes or for wound cleaning), the following was mentioned under hazards:-

Hydrogen peroxide is naturally produced as a byproduct of oxygen metabolism, and virtually all organisms possess enzymes known as peroxidase's, which apparently harmlessly catalytically decomposes low concentrations of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen (see Decomposition above).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide#Hazards

So I personally feel that we are probably off key, to put it mildly, on saying that it is a dangerous chemical to humans....it did mention that even a 3% solution could stain many articles around the house though!!!

I have used the "wound" version, I have no idea exactly what strength it was (domestic 3% or less according to Wikipedia) at the time, but it did a great job of cleaning the wound and did not attack my living cells in anyway at all, painless......and as I have peroxidases in my body, I do not anticipate any problems!

Wikipedia does mention that a 3% solution was not a good idea to drink:-

3% H₂O₂ is used medically for cleaning wounds, removing dead tissue, and as an oral debriding agent. Most over-the-counter peroxide solutions are not suitable for ingestion.

Which seems to suggest that some solutions ARE OK to drink......which ones I could not find out....

But I do not propose at this moment in time to drink it myself I must say, but guessing only, I would suggest that a solution of <1%, is probably not going to do any damage. Whether or not it actually helps is another question!! I would need further strong positive medical evidence as to its good properties before drinking any of it myself!!

Cheers!!

Surely that only happens when taken undiluted or should I say, not diluted enough!

Household H2O2 is typically 3% or less.Links have been posted that accuratley discuss the hazards.

We use 90% H2O2 in my industry. It is one of the most feared substances on site. Primarily for fear that if there is a spill or leak some moron will come along and say "it's only hydrogen peroxide, my mom puts that on my boo-boo's" and then go to walking or wiping.

An interesting study, I read it completely......at the end, it did not make a clear statement for humans with regard to solutions well under 1%.....above was not good though it was suggested, at least for rats ....I am hopefully not a rat!

I will not be drinking it myself for any reason at all.......wounds and mouthwash will be it!!

Many thanks Kris, a good post on this subject.

No joke, I was asking a valid question, which nobody answered, so I checked out Wikipedia myself, which suggests that drinking normal off the shelf solutions of 3% is not to be recommended.

Other than it stains things, you can also use it for wound cleaning and as a mouth wash!!

Andy...

You and I are SO much alike, (we must have the same father), hahaha

In most everything in life, if we are smart people, not just educated idiots, we must always consider the source..

I appreciate your intellect in approaching this H202 thing.

Dr. William Campbell Douglas wrote a book called Medical Miracle..

Very enlightening, and informative..

I read all the Horror Posts, and can just see the AMA sitting back with giant smiles on their faces, saying, damn we are good at protecting our vested interest, (Disease)

Sure, there may be isolated cases where H202 is not good, but heck, how many people have died from "Normal" medical procedures? Nobody takes those doctors license away...

I have a friend that has asthma, she had to use several inhalers a month..

Since taking H202 orally, she has needed ANY inhalers for several years..

Go figure..

Donald

Now 90% is something to be very far away from!!

Gladly it is not available to the general public.

It killed some British submariners in the 50's and several German pilots in their mini rocket aircraft during WWII....

I was only talking about freely available solutions, that Wikipedia suggests are 3% or less....not the stuff you are talking about!!!!!

Terrorists make bombs with it I believe too......

The realtionship of Dose to Toxic Effects

It's not available to the general public?! Well, where's the sport in that?!

Poison Poison Poison PoisonPoison Poison Poison Poison

This is what you are taking and you wish advice from us so that it taste good?

Well here is some advice get your will written or up to date, buy a burial plot and pick out your casket.

I am beginning to fear it is not himself he wishes to offer the tablets to.

I am drinking it too ocasionally (I would do it more often but the taste is not so pleasant) and it is very good for me when I need to boost my immune system
When properly diluted and taken at the right intervals it can be a miracle cure for almost anything

If you want to find out more details, just do a little research, google "H202 cure" "Hydrogen peroxide cure", "H2O2 info"

Most doctors will not talk about it because medical research and pharma companies are ignoring it. The reason for this is H2O2 is almost free, it cannot be patented and little financial profit can be made out of it. And because it heals everything and using it widely will put the whole drug-based pharmaceutical industry out of business

Right.....

But it obviously won't cure mental retardation and paranoia - often found together among drinkers of H₂O₂.

Just in case, it is an oxidizer (or oxidant), and why does everyone keep telling us to get plenty of anti-oxidants? Oh, that's right, they're all part of the AMA-CIA-NSA-FBI and pizza pie conspiracy franchise!!!

""Most doctors will not talk about it because medical research and pharma companies are ignoring it. The reason for this is H2O2 is almost free, it cannot be patented and little financial profit can be made out of it. And because it heals everything and using it widely will put the whole drug-based pharmaceutical industry out of business""

most doctors do not use it internally because it is decomposed as soon as it hits the bloodstream by peroxidase. Similarly, if ingested, it decomposes rapidly. If you gargle with it in strong form it will kill the surface layers of your mouth and throat, leading to discomfort or death.

So guest, how about drinking some 5% H2O2

I have found this intriguing. There are quite a few examples of "alternative" treatments that suggest H2O2 as a viable treatment in some illnesses.

However, I find that the daily or routinely ingestion of said in an uncontrolled environment is not a good /safe practice.

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/HydrogenPeroxide.html

I looked at that article and all the references point to people who want to charge a fat fee for a useless treatment.

Soaking in a bath of a low %H2O2 is of little use, as any that permeates into the skin will be broken down into H2O and a single oxygen atom(called nascent oxygen), this will soon react with another O atom to make O2 and be just another free molecule of oxygen out it trillions of them. If it does not combine, it wil react with some part of our skin, or a bacterial body(harming it, enough hits kills it).

A high % of H2O2, 3-6% will foam up immediately and damage all sensitive skin and mucous membranes, and might leave you screaming or with a high pain threshold.

What I see is an uneducated and unlettered group of people committing frauds on fools. Any letters they flaunt, I would need to check with their college, since there are so many diplomas printed on laser printers these days. Online diploma mills will sell you a PhD for $100 and respond to any inquiries as if they were a real accredited college. I feel pity for the fools they may lure to their deaths and rage at them