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06/27/2019 2:25 AM

A 15 tonnes overhead crane when hoisting a load of 8 tonnes when brakes are applied the brakes are able to hold, but when you want to hoist the weight higher the crane will start to lower it.

What can be causing this?

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06/27/2019 3:18 AM

Simple: an outstanding deferred maintenance issue.

A telephone call to the equipment manufacturer can often provide a useful pointer to the cause and is highly recommended.

If local Technicians cannot solve the problem, then a call-out visit by the manufacturer's Service Technician may be overdue.

As cranes are strongly in the focus of safety, do not delay in making the call.

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06/28/2019 5:03 AM

Good answer!!

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06/27/2019 7:13 AM

If it’s a slipring motor on the hoist check the resistance banks.

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06/27/2019 12:13 PM

Could be any number of things depending on the type of drive system incorporated...It sounds like the motor is failing to engage and the secondary brake is kicking in...

https://www.thefabricator.com/article/safety/six-dangerous-misconceptions-about-crane-safety

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06/27/2019 4:15 PM

It seems to me that the spring between the lifting motor and the brake is relaxing when the brake is applied.

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06/28/2019 4:02 AM

The higher you lift the more wire that winds on to the drum. As the O/D of the outer layer of wire increases the torque that the brake has to hold increases and in this case to a point beyond the holding power of the brake. Servicing the brake should solve the problem.

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06/28/2019 5:22 AM

A rider to that answer, though: <...want to hoist the weight higher the crane will start to lower it...> the Original Poster has withheld from the forum whether the crane motors down on selecting motoring up or whether it runs down freely before motoring up. Wrong-way motoring would suggest a control problem rather than a brake problem.

GA, though.

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06/28/2019 8:45 AM

Most high capacity cranes use a cable drum with spiral cable grooves as shown. This prevents damage to the cable as a result of winding upon itself. It also maintains a constant diameter and a constant torque throughout the lift.

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06/28/2019 8:55 AM

When the crane is in "hoist" mode, the brakes would not be engaged as that would be counter productive to the brakes and the motor.

it is obvious to me that the brakes can hold the load but it is beyond the power of the motor.

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06/28/2019 12:06 PM

SAFETY First, I agree with all of the gurus on here: PWSlack, SolarEagle...But you did not provide enough information. I work with over 150 cranes on this site from 5tons to 700tons. Most modern cranes use variable frequency drives (VFD's) and on a hoist drive utilize a torque proving feature in the drive. This is very likely cause if someone has tampered with parameters or sometimes the drives will revert back to default parameters. (sometimes due to lightening strikes, power spikes, welding...) Most drives have several hundred parameters.

DO NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE PARAMETERS YOU WILL KILL SOMEONE!

Call the manufacturer or crane support company.

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07/08/2019 1:08 PM

I ASSUME the crane is very old and operates on DC. If this is the case it is common to have to lower heavy loads on first point up. That is brake released but motor TRYING to go up but overloaded. Since you are only at about half of capacity of crane (not a heavy load) this probably indicates an electrical problem causing first point up to be too weak. I would suspect one of the resistors has changed value (possibly poor connection, loose or corroded). Or it could indicate motor deterioration (shorted turns in field or armature or worn brushes). Ignore this if it is an AC crane or not very old.

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