Theory of a Parallel World

There was a recent article in the news about a new theory that essentially contained an infinite number of universes as a possibility. It is an alternate to String Theory You might try doing a search on the web.

While these theories are grounded in science, there are a lot of unknown bits and pieces of the puzzle that make them speculative at best. From my perspective they make an interesting read, but you can't go much further than that.

"Will it finally lead to time travel?" Paradoxically phrased. :D

"Will it finally lead to time travel?" Paradoxically phrased. :D

I like your wit :-)

hmmm ... since there has never been time travel, does that mean there will never be time travel?

"hmmm ... since there has never been time travel,..."

Not so my friend!

Each and every one of us has traveled from the past to the present.

(just stirring the pot a little)

you mean you cant use time machine to go back to time when time machines existed if they never existed in the past?

No, because you can't have killed your parents! If you had previously killed your parents how could you be reading this post and debating it? hmmmmmm...

Are you a guru. tell me about that.

Should i assume you did not kill your parents since yoiu are talking to me here or that you did kill your parents in the past

"Should i assume..."

Only time will tell!

One of the greatest humans to have ever tread on earth is no doubt - Dr. Albert Einstein. He firmly believed:

"Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited; whereas imagination stretches and embraces the whole universe"

At this point in time, the idea of a "parallel world" is at the imagination level. But that is the starting point. The concept comes from the mathematical observation by a few scientists, who theorize that the speed of light is NOT constant (as against the constancy of speed of light originally propounded by Einstein), and infinite speed is achievable. They have propounded two things:

(1) There is a Mirror Universe

(2) Tachyons are particles that could exist anywhere in any situations and these particles would reach infinite speed

The concept of "mirror universe" is interesting. We know that there are sub-atomic particles called positrons. But these particles get annihilated in this universe. However, positrons are the building blocks (like the electrons here) in the mirror universe. Zero datum level here is infinite point in the mirror universe; Gravity here is anti-gravity in the mirror universe. Essentially it signifies that the gravitational force, which attracts and keeps all mass centered at one point in the materials, in this universe, if transcended into the mirror universe would disintegrate through anti-gravity, and vice-versa!

But it would take long time before objective and conclusive evidences arrive. But we are moving toward that!

It may also be possible that what we consider good in this universe may appear bad in the mirror universe.Terrorist may be considered good and saints and monks will be treated differently.There is no end for imagination.

Philip Dick the author of Blade runner wrote the archetypal parallel world novel where the Germans won the wolrld war. They exterminated all of the natives in Africa and replaced them with white people. He took all of his plot elements from Nazi propaganda and recordss from the Nuremburg trials.

Thank you Mr.Ramani for all the references .I am certainly not disputing the existance of Tachyons and the possibilities of travelling back in time or the existance of other Universes. My only concern is people should not introduce fiction in to science by mere imagination without proper studies.

I definetly endorse your view that Dr.Sudarshan deserves more than a nobel for his great contributions in the field of particle physics.

Hi Gopalakrishnan

Nice to note that you did look at what Dr Sudarshan has done and contributed to the field of Physics, and science in general. In fact, there are not many in the One Billion Indians, who could be considered "real" scientists in India ... baring Dr Sudarshan

Be that as it may, you are definitely echoing the "philosophy" of the scientific community when you note that we should not call "fiction" as scientific. But at the same time, we should also not pooh-pooh ideas which we may not understand. Science would automatically reject ideas and concepts, if such themes do not fit in the realms of science. I request that you may also read my other comments in this discussion thread:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/149557

Have a nice day

Best wishes

pvhramani

No. There is one world. It's very screwed up and most of the people are not on earth.

It all depends upon how you interpret information. As for me, NO WAY. As for infinite universes, absolutely! NO MIRRORS, NO PARRALELS, all that is just interesting science fiction. As for time travel, only if you are categorized as a tachyon, (no elaboration).

Hi DevidaRheault

Let us NOT arrogate ourselves to the point of being the "CHURCH against Galileo"

Please read:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/149488

and also:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/149553

Science, Technology, and Engineering are NOT like magic or Alchemy; but as the processes that take one idea to the final acceptable level is pretty big, time consuming, many ideas that are "illogical" today could be PROVED right later.

It is on the individual to decide whether one NEEDS to put time and effort on ideas and themes that he/ she cannot understand

But let us not simply pooh-pooh other's ideas. Here silence is GOLDEN!

You missed the point! read MY post again. It is clearly "MY" opinion, but doesn't dog anyone else's. "as for me" means MY interpretation of the information. But as einstien said, "imagination is more important than knowledge". I have a wonderful imagination with absolute simple logic. One thing many people don't have is logic, not imagination!

In at least one of the infinite universes, I married the blonde rather than my ex-wife. I have wondered for years how that might have worked out...

Bill

You mean that in some other universe there's a man married to same wife as mine? worse than that, he was also marries to my EX?.

Can't believe it, God (Gods?) can't be that cruel. This is a sufficient evidence that a parallel world can not exist.

Wangito.

PS: The theory of the possibility of converting copper into gold, was also based on scientific grounds. (of the 15th. century of course.)

Wangito.

"Can't believe it, God (Gods?) can't be that cruel. This is a sufficient evidence that a parallel world can not exist."

Could it possibly be that each universe would have its own God? If so, then there would be only three, since such matters always occur in the form of a Trinity.

I just hope that my alter ego in a parallel universe has had better luck than me! lol

I think it is indeed the stuff of SF to consider 'parallels' and 'mirrors', but there is (to my exceedingly small way of thinking ) room to consider 'other' universes.

Not being so skilled in the higher realms of math, its always easier for me to think in terms of analogies rather than actually consider other dimensions (4th through 27th, pick your number).

If we were two dimensional (I believe I have met someone like that before ), living on a plane, we would have no concept of a third dimension. We might theorize about it, postulate on the conditions of its existence, even define it mathematically, but it would be a little beyond our comprehension.

If, living on that 'piece of paper', we were suddenly granted the ability to 'look up', we might see another piece of paper just above. Maybe its microns away or maybe miles, but since we are only two dimensional it is, to us, infinitely far away. We, with our new power, could view it, but maybe there is no way to get there, unless of course we had the ability suddenly to travel in this third dimension.

So, what's on the next piece of paper? If we can assume that its beginning (a tricky concept considering the beginning may also have been the beginning of time) it was at the same point in space-time as our own plane, maybe (or maybe not) it was created (literally or figuratively ) with the same laws, but maybe not, and if it were created with exactly the same laws, with the first minor change, the entire historical chain would be disrupted (butterfly effect) and it would hardly be a mirror or parallel at all of our own universe. Being a SF buff for years, I know the literary benefit of exploiting parallel or mirror universe scenarios, however, I can't see how this 'other' dimension need parallel or mirror another at all.

I can imagine (well, not really imagine, but speculate ) an infinite number of other 'pieces of paper' existing along with mine, but here's another twisted idea ... in my totally invented multiple-two-dimensional universe, who says these planes are in geometric parallel, and if not, would they not have reason to intersect? I wonder if all the other (speculative, I know) 'parallel' / 'mirror' / 'other' universes we are discussing are totally isolated from one another and if indeed at some point in time-space they do or will intersect.

Okay, one final thought (big lie here, as I am rarely at the end of my thoughts ) ... we say 'this' universe, compared to an 'other' universe, but (back to my invented two dimensional world) if we had the sudden ability to see all the 'pieces of paper', in other words, suddenly granted the ability to see or travel in this 'new' dimension, would not the true universe be the compilation of all of these? In that case, what we call our universe is actually only an infinitely small portion of the true universe.

Ahhh, the stuff of science fiction, but who knows

Hi DCaD

Nice presentation

It's like some beautiful explanations in the book:

GRAVITY: by Dr. Gamow

Best wishes

"If we were two dimensional (I believe I have met someone like that before ), living on a plane, we would have no concept of a third dimension."

Just a point of clarification regarding those 2-dimensional folks living out their existence on a plane. I have heard some CR4 posters say (on other threads) that the flatlanders would "see" a cylinder as a circle. This is flat out wrong! Since their eyes are fixed within the plane they could only see a cylinder (or anything else for that matter) as a straight line. In order to see a circle would imply that they be above it looking down.

But hold on! The flatlanders could neither see a straight line either. In order to "see" a line segnent would imply that is have breadth and height, which violates the 2-dimensional world of the flatlanders.

The only valid conclusion we 3-dimensional folks can have is that the flatlanders cannot see at all.

Three [flat out] blind mice.

-John

... we say 'this' universe, compared to an 'other' universe, but (back to my invented two dimensional world) if we had the sudden ability to see all the 'pieces of paper', in other words, suddenly granted the ability to see or travel in this 'new' dimension, would not the true universe be the compilation of all of these? In that case, what we call our universe is actually only an infinitely small portion of the true universe.

You are sort of correct sir. That, to which you refer is in fact the Omniverse (your entire stack of papers). With the Universe being one of those sheets.

It is clear to me that WE are the mirror universe ... the "negative", as it were .... and out there somewhere is the actual or positive universe. How do I know this? I'll tell you.

It is common knowledge that each person's mirrored self from that mirrored universe wears a goatee. The well known Evil Twin Effect.

Since I find myself sporting that goatee ... it is clearly evident that I am, in fact, The Evil Twin. And it follows therefore (through logic), that THIS is the Negative universe.

Has no one yet realized this?