Growth Hormones

"Polyphosphates" might be worth a Google.

While working at DuPont there was a unit that made the stinking stuff called Hydan. We were told that it was to grow chickens. I cannot give you the ingredients but it was made from feed stocks from the other units that produced ammonia, analine dye, plastic (nordel), methanol, HCn, etc.

I worked at the Cyanide unit over there in Orange. Dangerous place. Nice people. Yet to find anything much on the growth times and specific chemicals. I haven't googled polyphosphates yet. Got a little sidetracked.

Seeing a 8 year old with boobs makes one worry.

I have contact with chicken breeders, they spend a lot of time perfecting the breed. I also have contact with some of the producers and I think that their chicken are almost natural.

You are a bit optimistic with the few days.

Broilers takes about 42 days (6 weeks) to grow. allowing 1 week for cleaning and you can do 7 batches a year in one building.

If the time can be reduced to 5 weeks another batch can be raised. Maybe some are adding growth hormones. 16% more turnover is nice.

In the not-too-distant past, I saw some research was being conducted on the levels of pesticides, plasticizers, hormones, antibiotics, etc., and biodegrdation products of these substances found in waterways (Chesapeake Bay comes to mind as one of those places). The next step being, of course, to evaluate the effect of micro-levels of these substances on living organisms. I don't recall all of the details, but there are some remarkably remote sites where anything tested had observable levels of man-made chemicals present in various organs and tissues. Without even knowing more than that, I can confidently predict that there is some level of adverse effect to be had. And the fact that we don't know what the effects of such low levels CAN be gives me no further sense of confidence.

Not to mention the possible synergistic relationships among these various pollutants; some can weaken parts of the living system making them more vulnerable to other impurities. Yet "we" continue to produce them, invent more of them, and release them with abandon. What was the biblical verse...as ye sow, so shall ye reap?!?

Your point is well taken, but the chickens won't develop or mature "in a few days". Back a number of years ago, the people who raise chickens in Brazil or Argentina had an event where too much of the "growth hormone" was added to the chicken feed, and the local girls, 5 or 6 years old, were maturing (and not overnight) to look like older teen agers, complete sexual development. That's very powerful stuff!

This precocious sexual development from hormones in your girls is well known.

I also makes them have oestrus and menstruate, grow breasts etc. There have been a number of fatalities in children like this who were impregnated by various deviant males. In a modern society a pregnancy that would kill the mother would be aborted.

With chickens, there is an unusual growth situation. The traditional method was with growth hormones. Now they have found that an amino acid governs the growth rate.

By adding the particular amino acid to feed the growth is accelerated. The method to manufacture is proprietary.

It may get around FDA and organic review because amino acids are not covered with regulations. The plant you are talking about is in Beaumont, TX. It was operated by AtoFina and now may be part of the Arkema group. (TOTAL OIL sold off the chemicals Atofina to become the Arkema group.)

Just another Frankinfood in the chain. Be careful where you buy products.

It may be worth your efforts to check that amino acid supplement's to govern growth meet the intent of Organic Farming.

Nothing has been proven by repeated scientific studies and experiments. Everyone just "knows" that all the hormones, antibiotics, fertilizers and insecticides are the cause of everything bad that happens. In the past children were considered adult at 13 and many 13 and 14 year olds were married and parents. Society from the Victorian era on, denied early maturity and covered it up. Suddenly we discover that some girls mature early, as they always did, and our society glorifies it and we have to blame it on something other than ourselves.

Organic pyrethrins are stronger and longer lasting than those made in factories. There is no chemical difference in fertilizers made from organics and those made in factories. BHT does not stimulate lactation in women, only in cows. While I do not advocate heavy use of chemicals on our foods, neither do I regard "organic" as a holy state. We need ro meet somewhere in the middle to ensure our food supply.

Genetic engineering is not evil either. Taking the DNA from a soybean and putting it into corn to grow high protein corn does not create a poison plant, a monster corn that will kill everyone. Taking DNA from plants to make plant more resistant to disease or insects is using organic means rather than chemical to grow better crops.

Yes, there have been some errors and there have also been errors in reaction to those. Some pesticides have been banned and as a result many people die of diseases that could be prevented. Can't there be some sensible balance instead of "organic fanatic" versus "chemical solutionists"?

"Can't there be some sensible balance instead of "organic fanatic" versus "chemical solutionists"? "

Concur there needs to be a sensible balance struck, but it will always remain controversial whose definition of 'sensible' we should subscribe to. Doubtful you should choose mine, I tend to be a trifle passionate about things, and might alienate some who actually ARE sensible. But then, if you actually made everyone happy, you'd have done something wrong...

Personally, I think the huge corporate farm interests are much of the problem, because they are seldom good observers, and hence stewards, of the land. Seems to me they pick industrial solutions and try to make them fit all of the cropland instead of seeing there are differences (think of the microclimate differences in the Napa Valley wine region, for example) from one field to the next, or even within a field.