Another "free-energy" inventor silenced permanently?

Well-put. Like you, I believe in helping those who genuinely need and deserve help. I also believe in the development of new technology and in keeping an open mind. However, an open mind must also keep into account provable facts e.g. you cannot produce more energy than you put in into a non-nuclear reaction.

The cold-fusion story is an interesting one. The experiment where hydrogen was drawn into platinum cathodes had been repeated successfully several times; however, the results are also wildly inconsistent. Conclusions: no proof that it works as claimed, but at least worth studying further to see what might be responsible for the successful results; at least, that would be the conclusion of any sensible person. For a conspiracy nutcase though, the failures do not prove that the rare successful result is a fluke that needs further study; rather, that it's proof that the Illuminati or whatever bogeyman they believe in is sabotaging the experiments. How these shadowy enemies of freedom can sabotage experiments that may be conducted in secret, with no prior announcement, only these crazies know.

BTW the electrodes involved were usually Palladium which has an enormous affinity for Hydrogen. Many years ago I used a Palladium diffusion apparatus to produce Hyper pure Hydrogen when I helped to grow the very first Indium Antimonide crystals. These were VERY sensitive to even a few atoms of Oxygen.

I have spoken with 2 serious researchers in the Cold Fusion field some years back. Neither of them were "loonies" and both were good experimenters with a quality scientific background.

Both of them got strange anomalous results from time to time! Including "meltdown" of test cells for no apparent reason.

Hydrogen "Cold" fusion may not exist, but I can't help wondering whether a potentially very powerful means of energy storage might lie in that direction.

However "Hot" fusion doesn't exist either since noone has made a reactor (no matter how large or expensive) that produces a net energy gain. They first reported "hot" fusion with "Zeta" when I was a teenager. Now I'm retired, its still not here.

The trouble IMO is that the way to stabilise a fusion reaction is with Gravity. So you need about 0.1 solar mass of Hydrogen before it will work (it's usually called a Star!). In effect you need another of the "forces of nature" to contol the reaction.

Using EM forces to control a reaction seems a hopeless task, as the level of energy needed to start the reaction means that the contol forces have to be both enormous and also liable to destroy the conditions for fusion to take place.

BTW I hope that I'm wrong here, if not we can forget our future and our expansion into space.
Crite40

Thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure whether the electrodes used were platinum or palladium.

Actually, I don't doubt the sincerity of those who report a successful result in this experiment; in fact, I believe them, hence my statement "No proof that it works as claimed, but at least worth studying further to see what might be responsible for the successful results." Frankly speaking, I hope they succeed: after all, if anybody succeeds in using water for fuel, and then getting back only water as a byproduct, it will solve most of the world's energy and pollution problems.

The people that I called "loonies" aren't the researchers, whom I regard as genuine scientists honestly trying to solve energy problems. Rather, the "loonies" are the conspiracy theorists i.e. people like so-called "investigative journalist" Steve Lazarus, who claim that every failed experiment is due to sabotage by the New World Order or whoever, and every claim of "water-burning cars that go 100 mpg" is authentic, and every failure to publicly produce such cars is due to the inventor being murdered and his invention stolen by the Pentagon or the CIA or whoever. Like I said in my initial posting, if ANY of their bullshit is true, then WHY haven't these mysterious forces, who have no absolutely qualms at all about killing amateur scientists and engineers, not silenced the morons who are hell-bent on exposing their crimes, unless it's because such crimes were never committed at all? I seriously doubt it's because it would prove their theories are true, because it would be a lot easier for these weirdos to produce their evidence publicly to expose the "conspirators' crimes" than it would be for them to make such unsubstantiated allegations and then claim that should anything happen to them, it proves their claims are true.

I hope this clarifies any misconceptions anybody may have with regards to my earlier postings.

What's quite bizarre are the experiments by kids with no engineering experience using stainless steel rods and water electrolysis to prove a cold fusion reaction and an over unity result. How do they prove this, well they post a picture showing the rig working with cheap averaging multimeters set to voltage to show that the pulsed waveform out is more than the voltage in. And some people will believe this as fact.......... ITS COLD FUSION, REALLY..... what, I have done almost half a semester of physics and when I go to college I am going to take a beginners course in electronics. GAAAHHH, why wont anyone believe my results!! LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT IS PROOF!

I am really disappointed by the media who also reported one of these backyard experiments. They said that the cold fusion device worked because the purple glow inside the chamber was similar to the purple glow from another (unproven) experiment by some scientists.

<cringe>

Another energy publication down here reported (right next to real neal news articles regarding hydro, infrastructure, etc) another Kiwi inventor developing a water powered car, and a project to put a tiny (500W I believe) wind turbine on numerous business buildings for green energy. Not surprisingly the project was set up and being pushed by a backyard small-scale wind turbine manufacturer.

<criiinnnnngggggeeeeeee>

Well of course we are so frequently cursed by having "leaders" who are TOTALLY ignorant of science or even "common sense".

Until recently we had a mayor who genuinely believed that a car could be run on water! Please note NOT Hydrogen or Methane but WATER. I heard this directly out of his own mouth.

The same "genius" also though that a Hypersonic transport could travel from NZ to the UK in about 30 minutes.

When I pointed out that the starship "Enterprise" couldn't do it in much less than 45 minutes he simply refused to believe me.
This of course is without using the infamous "tranporter".

For those who are interested in the phsychological aspects of the "backyard" inventor who "solves" impossible problems I recccomend a book called "Operation Trojan Horse" by John Keel.

It is obstensibly about the UFO experience but it covers many of these "disappearing inventor" cases. A warning though, it is a VERY disturbing book and not to be read by the faint hearted or conventionaly religious.

I am always amused by the Wright Brothers being used as an example of backyard inventors. The reason they succeeeded was that they did their flying experiments with a degree of care and research that noone else had applied to the problem.

Otherwise NZ's Richard Pearse would be the inventor of the practical airplane, or even Hiram Maxim let alone Langley.

<>It was good to see that NASA is talking about a Mars trip again. Hopefully this will help with the improvement of the CO2/H2
reactor to make methane from water and air without any net increase in greenhouse gasses. It means of course that our existing CNG pipelines could be used to distribute Methane without the prohibitive losses of Hydrogen.
Crite40

Until recently we had a mayor who genuinely believed that a car could be run on water! Please note NOT Hydrogen or Methane but WATER. I heard this directly out of his own mouth.

Bear in mind that what he said is actually entirely true (hold on, I will explain!). You can in fact run a car on water (after you convert a vast quantity of it into hydrogen using electricity and then store it to power the engine for a short period of time). But like many things politicians say, it is true in one sense but totally flawed in the same way I could say you can run a car on AA batteries. In fact I believe it would be more efficient. It is possible, but it is so hopelessly inefficient as to be total worthless (I should know, I researched converting my car to run on water, and what a waste of time that was). Now if he said that water powered cars were the future and could replace petrol powered vehicles, well that is a much different story.

We had a (rather famous) inventor/farmer down here working on powered flight (before the wright brothers I believe). His powered flight ruined a perfectly good farm fence. Close, but no cigar.

The interesting thing about the wright brothers is that others could not replicate their prototype because they lacked the understanding regarding lift and drag. This example of lack of understanding of aerodynamics has been used by free energy tinkerers as justification that their device could work because the wright brothers did it, when in fact there is a big difference between not understanding a scientific field - aerodynamics (but breaking no universal laws in the process) and not understanding a basic scientific field (such as magnetism or chemistry) and breaking numerous universal laws and constants in the process.

Just as an aside, look up the Six stroke engine on the web at:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_stroke_engine

Now that is a way to use water in an IC engine to great advantage!! If it ever gets finally developed!!

The links are also there to go directly to various inventors web sites....

Have fun.

Ah Jack! Please re read my posting.

I fully understand the idea of the electrolysis of water in fact I've just been doing some research into the early generation of Hydrogen using red hot Iron and steam which even predates that to fill military observation balloons in1794.

What our ex Mayor said was that the car would run on WATER, H2O and specifically NOT externally produced Hydrogen. Since I was talking to him face to face I was able to get this point immediately.

He wasn't just being a politician, just stupid and ignorant, which these days, seems to amount to the same thing sometimes!

<>Richard Pearse actually flew further than the Wright's 1903 flights
if the memorial at the site is to be believed. In fact although handicapped by its lack of a tail his plane was as good a machine as the 1903 "Flyer". Less aerodynamic research, but a better, lighter engine and primitive ailerons.

I've always reckoned that history has it wrong, by all the definitions of "controlled" flight anyway. By those standards the first real airplane was the 1905 model Wright. At last there was an aircraft that could land and take off reliably and go in any direction the pilot decided without stalling or getting out of control.

The inability to duplicate the Wright "Flyer" of 1903 I refered to was about those who tried it in 2003!!!

None of them got off the ground properly at all with anything like the same power plant.

This proves to me that the 1903 plane was so underpowered that it could only fly at all when sustained by the onshore winds at Kill Devil Hills. In other words it was a modified glider/kite. This was almost entirely due to a heavy 12 Hp motor which despite the brothers best efforts aerodynamically was just too feeble.

Cold fusion however always intrigued me because it was at the interface between Chemistry and Physics and so much of it showed the ignorance of experts in both fields of the other discipline. I still reckon there is a difficult but fertile field there in the area of energy storage if nothing else. Something produced or stored enough energy to destroy some of the cells used and it was not always just bad science. If you had personally experienced as I have the enormous ability of Palladium to "soak up" Hydrogen it might be easier for you to accept that there might be something in it.

<>As to "universal laws and constants" well several of those are very much in question already, have you looked at the state of Cosmology lately? There seems to be a new force or form of undetectable matter popping up every month at the moment and even Gravitation is coming into question.

For example if convetional Nuclear Physics was perfectly correct, just why don't we have a working "hot" fusion plant somewhere generating plenty of energy for whoever owns it?

That's always been my way question EVERYTHING!
Crite40.

Yea, I thought that was the case too. The thing is politicians are not scientists or engineers so I cut them a little slack when it comes to trying to understand very technical matters. Even if he did only understand the overall picture of running a car on water (and hence repeating the overall concept), the principle is still wrong (no matter the technical details behind it).

Regarding cold fusion, things that always put me off are the experiments by uneducated (in the applicable scientific and engineering fields) using stainless steel with proof in the way of lousy and totally broken lab work.

Regarding hot fusion plant, well there is at least one in the US (at least I think it's still running). Before you soil yourself just be aware that they never actually managed to break even in terms of energy in verses energy out, so at the moment its just one big electrical load. I still think that we need a few more technical developments and a much greater understanding of quantum theory before we will achieve a good result. Just give it some more time.

I may not be completely up to date, but I read somewhere that hot fusion will probably not be available for at least another 10 years or so....they are getting there, but it is as slow as was expected....my words from memory only.

If someone has more up to date infos I would be glad to read them...

Hello Andy,

"If someone has more up to date infos I would be glad to read them..."

We already have a functioning Hot Fusion Unit.

It supplies billions of people with heat, light and power, and the energy from is free - mind you there are some who would tax its output heavily, if that were possible.

It has enabled us to fly in aeroplanes, drive about in cars and make plastics, and grow our food, among so many other benefits.

It does not have a maintenance crew standing by, just in case of trouble.

As its fuel supply gets lower, the Hot Fusion Unit automatically shifts into a different mode, to maintain or increase output.

This Hot Fusion Unit will not need refuelling for some 4 billion years, and has been quite reliable, for a similar duration, according to some scientists.

So every morning, and every night, be grateful for that Hot Fusion reactor, some 93,000,000 miles away.........

...I meant the earth bound mini copy!!!

I guess that I've had too many runins with thick politicians to be as charitable as you Jack. If you don't have the (very basic) training to make sensible decisions then you shouldn't be a decision maker, is more my position. Acceptance of a "perpetual motion" machine as fact would be a good disqualification point.

<>The US project Shiva (I think that was the name)was finally put off line by an earthquake that upset all the laser alignments, at least that was the story I heard. The EU is still trying but "HOT" fusion remains a pipe dream just as much as "cold".
Another thing that worries me about current theories is the failure of LIGO, look it up sometime. So far it hasn't detected a micro wobble of "gravitational radiation" and in fact I have a standing bet with some of my old Physics friends from University that they get $25 each if it ever does. So far I feel VERY safe!

<>In fact I think we may be even more wrong than just a bit of adjustment of Quantum theories and that the inherent problem of controlling one of a force (EM) to pinch a reaction, with the same force to contain it may be a very serious dead end. As an astronomer I can't think of a single astronomical source of energy which isn't basically powered by gravitationally controlled fusion.
Except Supernovae of course but they are more of a fission reaction when the internal pressure fails.

As it is I generate about 8Mw hours from the sun every year with my own solar power systems so perhaps I'm using fusion a bit already! But don't get me wrong I'd just love to see a reasonably safe fusion reactor, just like I'd love to see a much more efficient and compact source of energy storage.

Crite40

Oil is an obsolete fuel. It's just that the oil giants won't accept that yet.

Because they are still making too much money on it. Maybe Oil is becoming obsolete? Not so sure it is obsolete yet....

Oil and coal may be obsolete but they are still currently the only viable fuels to power the main base load of the world's increasing energy needs. Yes we are lucky to have plenty of gas, hydro and geothermal available to us down here in New Zealand but even we have to use coal (well we import much of ours and sell our purer reserves to Australia to fuel their vast iron smelting plants).

While we (the world) are developing new ways (and enhancing old ones) to ween ourselves off of coal and oil we don't have many alternatives to replace our main base load. However, great advances are being made to increase the efficiency and reduce the polution generated by coal and oil. It's a start until we can find something better that can be scaled to take over from coal and oil (which is not going to last for ever).

Why our (only) oil refinary is a good example, almost 100% of the product that goes into the refinary gets turned into a saleable product, not just fuel oil and bitumen but the byproducts are also extracted and further refined in a closed-loop process - sulpher for fertiliser, carbon dioxide for softdrinks, etc, so very efficient (for an oil refinary that is). Hell, it's built right next to a bird sanctuary and has won enviromental awards.

(Nuclear left out of discussion).

Hello jack of all trades, and other interested.

The coal reserves in New Zealand would last for some 2,000+ years.

The coal reserves here are the greatest per capita in the World.

Of course under the Kyoto Protocol, we are penalised for every quantity of coal which is burned right here at home, hospital, power station (we do have 1 coal-fired power station), or factory.

I hasten to point out that over 90% of New Zealand's electricity is produced by that wonderful renewable resource: Hydropower, with more Windpower installations installed and more under construction.

But, getting back to that coal: It is mostly mined on the western side of the Southern Alps, brought by special train through the Alps, to the Port of Lyttelton, in the City where I live, at the rate of 1,000,000+ tonnes per year.

The railway line is going to be upgraded at a cost of over $120,000,000 so that an extra 1,000,000+ tonnes of coal may be exported to the same destination.

That destination is Japan, where the Kyoto Protocol was signed, and they are allowed to burn that coal, while we cannot burn it locally, or use it for chemical factory feedstocks - a far better idea, in my considered opinion.

Now an odd set of figures are involved, because if you add the mining costs, rail costs, port costs, they exceed the price per tonne actually received per tonne of coal loaded on the ship taking that coal off to Japan, the home of the Kyoto Protocol.

So in all that, there is evidently some quite dodgy dealings going on.

Conspiracies, of course there are Conspiracies, but I don't believe them all.

But a careful study of History over the last several hundred years, and far more recently for bigger events, proves exactly that there truly are Conspiracies, each forming part of a larger whole.

The bigger the Conspiracy, the more difficult it is to believe it, because no person or group of persons, could possibly do that sort of thing: Conspire against others, would they.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, unless you are God" - Lord Acton + others -

Thank you for reading my unusually short Post, now for a cup of Earl Grey Tea, to soothe my shattered nerves.....

Thank you for that. This exchange of personal experience and observation is, in my opinion, part of what makes this such a powerful forum.

cr3

I was shouted at once because I said thatcher engineered the coal strike to bring down the unions in revenge for them bringing down a previous conservative government. (I thought it was a given) What got the guy's goat was the idea there was still lots of coal. "OK if there's lots of coal where is it?!" he was under the impression that mines were being closed because there was no coal. I have since come across others who believe the same, what I don't understand is where they got this idea. (I suspect the daily mail) I remember the term uneconomic being bandied around, but we all know that is a political term rather than a financial one. Disinformation is the key, by having lots of conflicting views available no-one knows the truth or what to believe any more. If there is a conspiracy it is easy to camouflage, just generate lots of rival theories. Fashion plays a part, too.

let's not forget this.....here

And no one seems to be able to run so much as a Stirling pump off of it profitably.

Hmmm. Hot turbine ran on injected gray water anyone?

Brad

obsolescent, perhaps

Good day

Free-Energy? No problem!

Heat engine uses heat ,else , it is no heat engine such electrical motor ,ect ,ect

Now ,abundance of heat is excessive(green house effect),itis same forme of energy uses by heat engine, it is a free energy !

Bes regard Gaz et chaleur

Nice interesting Blog, no loonies (at least not yet!), so many thanks to all of you for some skilled observations.

Yes, no loonies yet! AMAZING!!

Nuclear energy is looking pretty good

as you see what we have wrought with oil products..

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Until someone fingers out how to tap the infinite zero energy

related to the space/matter continuum,

looks like we're going to be forced back to something

CLOSER to "hunter gatherers" in our lifestyles.

(eventually)

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There ain't no free (energy) lunch, nohow..

on the nuclear topic, if you haven't come across it this site makes good reading http://www.energyadvocate.com/