Previous in Forum: Capacitor Value Calculations   Next in Forum: Differential Protection And Auto Transfer System
Close
Close
Close
14 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1

Short Circuit Calculation

12/12/2007 10:30 AM

sir,

Please give me the basic calculation for short circuit calculation of AC circuit breaker up to 1200 AMpere rating.

thank you,

renato

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#1

Re: short circuit calculation

12/12/2007 10:35 AM

Surely the equipment manufacturers publish this sort of thing - the results of their testing? <sigh>

Is it wise to rely on a calculation from an anonymous user on an Engineering forum site? Not at those sort of currents!

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: chennai,India
Posts: 592
Good Answers: 19
#2

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/12/2007 11:23 AM

The question is not clear.There is calculation to find out the short circuit at a particular busbar/node which depends on transformer capacity,percentage impedance of transformer.incoming supply fault level, cable impedance etc.I have not come across any calculation for a short circuit of circuit breaker.

The circuit breaker has to withstand the short circuit current for a particular period, this has to be designed by the manufacturer.

If clear question is posted, we can try and give proper solution.

__________________
Ramesh,Freelance Electrical/automation Consultant
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - ESD - New Member India - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Energy Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Pune , India
Posts: 875
Good Answers: 42
#3

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/12/2007 3:04 PM

There is nothing like short circuit rating of a circuit breaker.It is the short time with stand capacity of the breaker and is a designer's problem. It is not a simple calculation that can be simply stated in a formula in this forum. The manufacturer designs the rating depending up on the components they use for their product and they specify this designed value and with stand time of each model in their product catalogue for your selection depending on your requirement. Most of the cases the rating of breaking capacity and short time with stand capacity of a breaker are same but not necessarily so in all cases.

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#13
In reply to #3

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

07/29/2009 2:40 AM

formula of breaking capacity of 40A MCCB

Register to Reply
Guru
Canada - Member - If there is a way to screw someting up, there is someone to do so! Safety - Hazmat - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Iqaluit, NU. Canada
Posts: 1854
Good Answers: 140
#4

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/12/2007 4:25 PM

You must admit that one of the curses of the Internet is the proliferation of people who decide to just ask questions of others instead of actually doing the leg work to figure something out by themselves.

Some of the questions asked point to an extremely low level of discipline knowledge on the part of those asking the questions.

The <sigh> issued by PW Slack is warranted.

__________________
Joe Contractor to Electrical Inspector, "What do you mean you are going to make me follow the code?".
Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/13/2007 7:49 AM

Hi Del,

you wrote:- "extremely low level of discipline knowledge", I disagree with that statement completely, Sorry.

It should have said "a complete lack of low level of discipline knowledge"!!

Have a great day! My English Grammar is not so good, but I am sure that you understand that I actually fully and completely support your comments!

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1604
Good Answers: 63
#14
In reply to #5

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

07/29/2009 11:31 AM

Andy

Your English Grammer is so good I thought you were from London.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Eastern Kansas USA
Posts: 1503
Good Answers: 128
#6

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/13/2007 1:21 PM

Renato,

Your question has shown up twice in today's forum. I posted a fairly complete answer on the other blog where you appeared as "guest".

Regards--JMM

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#10
In reply to #6

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/15/2007 11:40 AM

Renato,

Your question has shown up twice in today's forum. I posted a fairly complete answer on the other blog where you appeared as "guest".

Regards--JMM

Hi Mr. Jmueller,

Thank you very much for sending Bussman reference materials.

I found it very interesting.

I hope you can still extend your help to me in the future.

Best Regards,

Renato

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 43
#7

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/14/2007 4:26 AM

Find out the possible short circuit value of the circuit that the circuit breaker is supposed to protect. Voltage divided by the impedance along the line starting from protective circuit breaker to the point of short circuit is the value of the short circuit current Then choose a circuit breaker which has a breaking capacity(Pouvoir de Coupure Pdc) of at least 1.25 times the calculated short circuit current. Breaking capacity (Pouvoir de coupure ,Pdc) is decided by the manufacturer of the circuit breaker. Impedance of the circuit is composed of the contact resistance of circuit breaker and the resistance of the cable staring from the circuit breaker to the point at which short circuit is to be calculated.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#8

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/14/2007 8:09 AM

I think that several nice people have done their best, the original poster has NOT done his best at all, no does he appear to listen...

I'm off, I have better places (Blogs) to waste my time in than such ones like this!!!

Byeeeee

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Safety - ESD - New Member India - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Energy Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Pune , India
Posts: 875
Good Answers: 42
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

12/14/2007 8:26 AM

You are absolutely right. I also feel there is no meaning in wasting our time to these query as the person originally posting the query vanishes after posting it and do not even check or acknowledge once to the answers. He only want others to bother if they want. Bad manners I feel.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#11

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

01/09/2008 4:13 AM

sir,

Please give me the basic calculation for short circuit calculation of AC circuit breaker up to 1200 AMpere rating.

thank you,

DEEPAK

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: chennai,India
Posts: 592
Good Answers: 19
#12

Re: Short Circuit Calculation

01/09/2008 4:29 AM

I think some guests are making fun of us, who contribute to the forum,by posting the same question.There should be some way out for these happenings!

__________________
Ramesh,Freelance Electrical/automation Consultant
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 14 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Andy Germany (2); Anonymous Poster (3); jmueller (1); lordravindran (1); North of 60 (1); PWSlack (1); ramvinod (2); V.I.Abraham (2); wareagle (1)

Previous in Forum: Capacitor Value Calculations   Next in Forum: Differential Protection And Auto Transfer System

Advertisement