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Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/19/2007 9:43 AM

recently i had faced a problem in level transmitter the level transmitter in the fo oil level tank bottom the total height of the tank is 3.7 meter and the transmitter is mounted at the height from 0.7 meter from the bottom plant is at running condition the transmitter output milli amps is given to dcs and the flow control of the fuel oil is controlled by output of the transmitter because level should maintain between 2.87 meter if the fuel oil is decreasing means the valve opening will be more today suddenly the tank is over flowed ( due to bypass connection pipe also chocked )

why it is over flowed and what is the technial problem is happened?

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/19/2007 1:50 PM

The causes could be many, and you need to work through the problem in stages. The tank sensor could be faulty, sending the wrong signal to the transmitter. If the tank sensor is flange mounted at the bottom of the tank, then there could be an orifice plate between the sensor and the fuel, and this could be choked. You need to disconect the sensor at the transmitter, and simulate the full input range, while checking for the correct transmitter output. The transmitter could be faulty. You need to check that the power supply is OK, and whether for full sensor input range you are seeing the correct transmitter output range. The controlling valve could be faulty. You need to simulate the full range input signal, and check that you get the full travel of the valve stem. If all these are Ok, then look at the valve seat? You say that the "bypass line was choked?" This would indicate that the fuel is heavy oil, in which case I would look at a blocked orifice plate at the sensor, or sticking control valve.

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/20/2007 6:14 AM

What is the measuring technique? If it is capacitance, for example, then a slight change in the dielectric constant of the material will cause false level signals to be presented; a similar problem occurred in a pharmaceutical plant many years ago because a change in a liquid was invoked without considering the consequences. This would not have happened if the hange had been subjected to a formal HazOp study.

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/20/2007 9:42 AM

Check to see if anything has changed...Assuming all instruments and valve are calibrated and sensor is OK:

1.Is the valve operating correctly?

2.Any foreign substance in the vessel? Water?

3.Mains Power/Local Air Supply adequate?

4. other, etc.

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/20/2007 10:42 AM

The tank overflowed because the control system design is inadequate for the application. You are relying on a single transmitter to control the level of an explosive liquid. In most places this is a violation of safety codes.

Over time, all sensors will fail. All an engineer can do is to reduce the chance of failure and to improve the chances of a safe failure. Explosive application should have at least a redundant level sensor (or two) to force the system to a safe failure mode if something failed. The simplest solution is to add a float switch as a High Level Alarm that would have controlled a secondary fill cut off valve.

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/21/2007 5:37 AM

suddenly the tank is over flowed ( due to bypass connection pipe also chocked )...why it is over flowed

You seem to have answered your own question! In your statement, you gave the reason before asking the question.

I'm assuming that you have a bypass valve on your control valve and the bypass has either stuck in the open position or it's leaking internally. When that happens, your control valve may be closed but the leaking bypass valve will allow fuel to continue flowing.

Another possibility is that your control valve itself has an internal leak. Same symptom, different cause.

You didn't mention if your level transmitter was indicating normal when the tank was actually overflowing already. It that is what happened then your transmitter may be defective.

If you're using a wet leg system, fuel oil may have solidified in your impulse piping rendering it useless.

These are just a few of several assumptions since your post doesn't have enough information for me to provide a definite cause.

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/22/2007 8:44 AM

thanks for all the suggestion guys

what is the slope of pH ?

what is the solution used first to caliberate the pH sensor?

what is the difference between the pH and ORP measurement?

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/22/2007 8:46 PM

One at a time:

You don't need to know the slope of pH.

To calibrate a pH measuring system, you need buffer solutions. These are liquids that have specific pH values. You'll need at least three. I recommend pH 4, pH 7 and pH 10.

  1. First, you use the pH 7. Put your probe into the pH 7 buffer (I'm assuming your instrument is temperature compensated). Wait a minute or so or until the reading stops changing and make your zero adjustment.
  2. Then you remove the probe and wash it with distilled water to remove any traces of the pH 7 buffer.
  3. Put your probe into the pH 4 buffer. pH probes react faster with acid solutions. Once the reading is steady, adjust your span to read pH 4.
  4. Remove the probe and, again, wash it thoroughly with distilled water.
  5. Put your probe into the pH 10 buffer. In this case, all we're interested in is that the probe makes a correct reading. After a few minutes, if the reading is incorrect, your probe is probably defective (it's also possible that your buffer solutions are expired).

ORP means Oxidation Reduction Potential, also called Redox. I've never used this measurement though. For a more comprehensive explanation, here's a link to Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox

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01/10/2008 10:36 AM

I've seen that method used before. Probe measurements have come nearly dead on.

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Re: Overflowing Fuel Oil In Transmitter

12/21/2007 8:30 AM

i had recieved all the sugesstion thank u guys

please keep in touch with me to resolve many more problems facing by u and me

another question iam asking

1.what is caliberation procedure to caliberate the PH and Which solution u keep first to caliberate ?

2.what is the two point caliberation in pH Analyser ?

3.what is the slope of pH ?

4.What is the relationship between the mV Vs pH ?

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