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Art software for use with graphics tablet.

01/05/2008 3:46 PM

I bought myself an A4 graphics tablet . I've downloaded a free art package to try out. Anyone got any experience of art packages, especially ones which make use of the pressure sensitive pen?
It is sooo much better for drawing than a mouse (even in lo-res 'Paint' )
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01/05/2008 10:00 PM

I saw one of these at an electronics store recently. I am anxious to see what the masses think.


I reeeeaaaallllly wanted one. I was told no. Something about diapers, rent and student loans was said. You know how those women can get "pay the bills, clothe the kids....nag, nag, nag"

Seriously, it looked way cool. What do you think so far Del, del Gato blanco?

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01/06/2008 3:52 AM

Pretty cool..it's a Trust 4200 only abot £45 ! yet it's an A4 useable area!! The reveiews all said it was v good or awfull..I suspect the 'awfulls didn't install the latest software/set it up right/have any software to use it on.
The only gripe is the absence of sotware...(but waddaya expect at that price)...and free demos of software are out there for free. One of the set up routines changes line thickness with pen pressure, funky... but I havn't found that on an art software yet.
Even 'Paint' is pretty good using the pen, and on one of the freebie art progs I tried 'project dogwaffle' (I jest not) I could write with the pen pretty much as I would in my log book. All in all 10 out of 10...it does all it says...I just need software to get best use out of it.

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01/06/2008 12:29 AM

I was using the A3 version quite a lot.

1) For digitising field size and shape from areal photos and satellite images for agricultural irrigation design.

2) Digitizing art work for CNC engraving tool paths.

3) Some CAD work replacing the mouse. I made a little program to emulate a mouse.

My thoughts - A bit bulky but nice.

If you can get hold of an old pen plotter you can make a virtual drawing machine.

You take the output from the board as the input of the plotter (Scaled, warped, reverse, invert etc to your liking). I had some CAD features added as well. (lines, arcs , hatching etc). For some drawings I used the proximity mode as pen down.

Myself and children went through reams of paper until the pens became scarce.

Thinking of it I have a A0 pen plotter in the garage to hook up to the board / tablet. (my 3rd garage is used as my computer museum)

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01/06/2008 1:52 AM

These seem to go in and out of favor. I had one many years ago (20 years ago?), a Summagraphics, if I recall, and used it for both casual drawing and drafting. For drafting, it had a printed menu around the edges, so maybe 50 commands were all visible simultaneously.

Eventually, I could no longer get drivers, and I stopped using it. I have fooled around with pressure sensitive art applications, (some of which emulate a paint brush really well) but not recently enough to make a recommendation. Have fun -- for freehand art, they are a huge improvement over a mouse!

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01/06/2008 3:55 AM

Yeh, I had one of those summagraphics ones about 10 yrs ago on my PCB layout PC at my last job...too expensive for home use at the time .

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01/06/2008 8:12 AM

I am a digital Artist and Designer with twenty years in the area of your question. I have used almost every brand of consumer and commercial digital art software in this time. Corel Painter is the most powerful and comprehensive tablet enabled paint program. It has been written with the intention that you will use it with a Wacom pressure sens tablet. Other tablets also work well with it though Painter has specific brushes that are a match for the additional stylus models made for the Wacom tablets. Ryan Church is the leading digital artist for George LKucas on his movies and he is also the Author of multiple Gnomon Labs tutorial DVDs on tablet based digital painting. links to Corel Painter http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1166553885783 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_Painter As for sketching there is no peer to a little program called Alias Sketchbook Pro. It has a natural media mathematical algorythm in it that makes your work look like it was directly drawn on paper with a sketching pencil or pen. Although the art materials in this little program are slim in comparison to Corel Painter it is this elegant sketching style that makes it my first choice for mobile or quick concept sketching. links to Alias Sketchbook Pro http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=6848332&siteID=123112 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alias_Sketchbook I wont say I hope this helps because I am absolutely sure it will help. Happy new year Del.

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01/06/2008 2:04 PM

Great response! Makes me want to go out and get a tablet, Corel and Alias.

Vaguely related:

Seems odd that tablet computing has never really taken off. Writing right on the screen seems so natural.

The handwriting recognition on a cellphone I recently played with was absolutely amazing. I just started writing stuff, and it figured it all out without error and without any sort of training. It was a little too slow (by a factor of about 2 - 4), but otherwise stunning.

In my dream of dreams, I'd design something like a boat or car body in real, full size 3d, sculpting the shape with my hands while walking around this full size virtual 3d image. This can be done today, at considerable cost. But having a single application that would allow rough sketches, cad, spreadsheets and writing on one tablet surface would be next best. (I guess you can do that within Word... but it feels so klutzy, and the Cad end of it is not supported.)

Is anyone aware of a 3D cad system that will take a 2d sketch (in perspective) and convert it into a 3d object? The idea would be you sketch the object in perspective (and add very rough front, side, and top views to at least give the computer a hint), have it converted into a 3d (virtual) object model (no small trick) and then fine tune the object with dimensions, fairing of curves, stretching, making it symmetrical, etc. Maybe the computer, in the process of interpreting your perspective sketch, would propose several possible interpretations, and through an iterative process, you'd narrow down the proposed solutions into what you really had in mind.

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01/06/2008 3:42 PM

Yeh, that'd be nice...When my son and I argue about soccer on the TV..I always end us saying..it'll be a lot easier to see what happens when we get the 3DTV...
It's the room full of smoke and those damn lasers that puts me off

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01/06/2008 7:15 PM

They use this software on the TV show American Chopper which airs on TLC.

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01/06/2008 9:04 PM

Thanks.

They use Solid Works with the Dezign Works add-in which enables pretty quick reverse engineering via a 3d scanning probe. I think Solid works is a great product, and much better than what I currently use. If I had the money sitting around for Solid Works, I'd certainly buy it, but even it doesn't do quite what I really want.

What all the CAD systems are not very good at is shapes that I'd call organic, in which you can't extrude a 2d shape into 3d, or patch a shape from a few simple cross sections, or build it up from primitives like spheres, cylinders, etc. Even sailboat hulls are somewhat slow going in 3d cad systems, because you have to draw numerous cross sections, and then have the program create the surface that fits over them. (Having drawn the cross sections, you may find that the shape is not really fair, or may not really look the way you wanted to to, etc., so you have to redo some or all the cross sections -- there is a lot of fiddling involved.) Car bodies are worse yet, because they are more complex.

What I really want is a system in which I visualize (in my mind) the shape I want, and then simply have the machine read my mind, and create the computer model of that shape. What could be easier?

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01/06/2008 12:47 PM

Have you tried the "GNU Graphics Manipulation Program" aka The GIMP?

It is a GPL'd Open Source application designed along the lines of Photoshop.

It has good support for pressure sensitive pens which seems to be something you were concerned about.

You can download it from http://www.gimp.org . It is available for Windows, Mac and of course Linux. Best part....It's free.

This program is quite powerful and is by no means a cheap, featureless "crapware" application.

Give it a try, you have nothing to lose at this price, $0.

If you try it, please post back and tell us what you think of the GIMP.

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01/07/2008 4:55 AM

Hi Rega,
Great call..I've downloaded the Gimp...it looks brilliant, it's got the pressure sensitive pen thingy... It looks to have all the functions I could want, and more...it'll take a while to get my head around it, but it is still user friendly enough to let me play.
What impressed me is it accepted a file i'd done in the other program that I'd tried despite it being in a daft unheard of format ( .tga file).

Brilliant, thanks again.

Del (and the price is right )

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01/06/2008 3:43 PM

Thanks for the answers guys..I'll check out your suggestions...

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