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Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/07/2008 8:10 PM

I am trying to repair the switching power supply of my Advantest R4131A spectrum analyzer. It has the number PTA465-00 and was made by Fuji Electrochemical (www.FDK.co.jp) about 20 years ago. I found a similar schematic on www.coilws.com in "A sample Switch Mode Power Circuit" page.The difference to my power supply is, thay mine delivers 4 voltages (5V,12V,15V,-15V),so the secondary is more complicated.

When you see the schematic of coils.com there is an Aux. Transformer on the bottom. On my power supply this transformer delivers 20V to the IC (MB3759). this is to much and it dont works. But when I disconnect the rectifier on the secondairy the voltage goes down to 12V. The frequency changes then from 70khz to 90khz on the PRIMARY side.

Previosly I disconnected the output of the IC to the Driving Transformer so that it can't oscillate.

How is it possible that when I change something on the secondary side it affects the frequency of the pimary side?

There is no connection inside of the transformer between the secondary and the primary.

Can anybody help me to repair or to find a such a power supply?

Thank you

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/07/2008 10:06 PM

Hello Guest,

You don't give your location.

Best thing is to contact the makers, direct, they are an honourable Company who should be able to assist.

With most Japanese Companies, they can manage to source old parts, and I have found that even after 30 years, parts for equipment have taken months to locate and arrive at my location, in original part numbered boxes, and are often free, because of the great service.

So...contact direct as follows:

America:

FDK AMERICA INC.

Contact: Takeo Aridomi

Address: 2270 North First Street

San Jose, California

95131-2022, U.S.A

Phone: 408-432-8331

FAX: 408-435-7478

Email: taridomi@fdk.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Europe:

FDK ELECTRONICS GMBH

Contact: Jin Hasegawa

Address: Heerdter Lohweg 89

40549 Dusseldorf, Germany

Phone: +49-211-537-464-0

FAX: +49-211-593-549

Email: jinh@fdk.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Japan:

FDK CORPORATION
Contact: Jun Akutagawa
Address: Hamagomu Bldg, 5-36-11 Shimbashi
Minato-ku, Tokyo 105-8677, Japan
Phone: +81-3-5473-4674
FAX: +81-3-3431-9436
Email: jun@fdk.co.jp

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01/13/2008 12:04 AM

Hi

Thank you for the email addresses but it was not possible to use them because the server could'n find them.

I live in Costa Rica.

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01/13/2008 7:28 AM

That does not make any difference, you just need to use an email program and the supplied address. You can live anywhere (except maybe China, they block some things!) and it should work......they were not web links.....!!

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/08/2008 1:01 AM

In some (maybe all) switching power supplies, a change in the secondary circuit will affect the primary because of a change in the load. It would be too much to explain here. I'd rather replace it.

Practically, if the power supply only supplies power and no other signals, you can buy or build one that can supply the 5V, 12V, 15V & -15V that you need. Fitting it inside may be a problem but if it's okay to have it in a separate box outside the analyzer then it would be okay. Just take care that the replacement can supply the current as well as the voltage.

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01/09/2008 5:24 AM

Good advice, I was going to say the same.....I will rate this as positive.

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/09/2008 2:43 AM

Try http://www.xppower.com navigate to your part of the world then choose selector.

You may need to settle for

ECM100UT33 85-264 VAC 5 V/10 A, 15 V/3 A, -15 V/0.8 A

And add a 15 to 12 Volt supply

Or there's a quad 5V, 24V, ±15 V.

Don't know your time space constraints. Your cheapest option may be an old PC PSU (5V and 12V) and an off the shelf ±15V unit.

The load on the secondary changes the load on the primary (otherwise you'd quickly develop an over unity engine )

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/09/2008 3:18 AM

Hello again Guest,

I meant to address your other questions, but missed them out, sorry.

  1. "How is it possible that when I change something on the secondary side it affects the frequency of the pimary side?
  2. There is no connection inside of the transformer between the secondary and the primary?"

There is no electrical connection between the primary and secondary transformer windings.

There is, however a magnetic circuit linkage between the two, and that magnetic linkage strength alters, as load or otherwise is increased/decreased on the secondary winding, or the voltage is altered into the primary winding.

If you are intending to use an Advantest R4131A Spectrum Analyzer, you should understand the basic physics of an electrical transformer, as discovered by Michael Faraday.

Learn the basics about Transformers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer

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01/10/2008 10:12 PM

Hello

Thank you for the mail addresses. Iwill write them to ask for a power supply.

The problem of my spectrum analyzer was, that when I was working on a homemade radio the power supply I was using failed and delivered suddenly 60V on the common. This destroyed the power supply of the analyzer and also something else, I guess it is the attenuator.

I will post you everything new what happened to my analyzer.

Joachim

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/09/2008 8:49 AM

Good morning,

Many switching power supplies have a inherent problem, in that you must draw a minimum load (usually 10%) of the main output's rated current in order for the supply to regulate properly. What you'll see in many cases is a lower voltage on the secondary outputs, and the supply will oscillate as it "hunts".

Which brings me to my second point-output sensing. Again, many switchers have remote sensing to regulate the voltage at the load, rather than at the supply output terminals. If the sense leads are left open-circuited, the supply tends to "run away", or if there's open-sense-lead protection (usually a resistor between the +out and + sense leads), the supply will run at a higher voltage.

Vicor (www.vicr.com) has excellent application information on switching power supplies.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/12/2008 11:15 PM

Hi,

You helped a lot

I was triying to repair the power supply out of the analyzer.(no load).I supplanted the aux. transformer with a fixed 12V power supply. All the outputs oscillate.

After I read your comment I connected the power supply to the analyzer and, bingo! the analyzer worked again. That means, the functions worked.

Now I will try to find the broken transformer and repair the analyzer itself, starting with the attenuator.

Excuse my english. I live in Costa Rica and english is not my my best language.

Thank you.

Joachim

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Re: Power Supply for Advantest R4131A

01/13/2008 7:46 AM

Hi, The best thing I can suggest you is to get a new smps (you will get any size and ratings now a days).

The primary freeq is changing with a change in the secondery voltage! Yes that is the very same principle of the working of an SMPS.

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