hypnosis

As far as I know, you cannot be hypnotized and forced to do something that you don't want to do. Besides, no real proof has come out that you can be hypnotized without you being aware of it.

Hypnosis usually occurs when the subject is completely relaxed and in a suggestive state (usually something close to falling asleep). If my boss were to notice me being in that condition, my name would be called in a loud voice and in a not very pleasant way .

Excuse my saying so but you seem to be having a paranoia about your boss controlling your thoughts. In my experience, people like that are more easily controlled than those who don't think about it.

Forget it.

Ok, essentially, and rationally, I absolutely agree with what you say. Nevertheless, I have been experienced extremely weird situations, and some of my co-workers which I knew for ages have suddenly behaved absolutely different from what to be expected. I cannot find a rational explanation.

Changes in behaviors can be due to a lot of things. Sometimes, a change in one person's behavior can cause another person to change.

It can even be a medical condition. Something in your office could be making people act strangely. One that I know of is mercury poisoning. Someone brought a certain amount of mercury in their office and spilled it over the floor. They wiped it off but soon, people were starting to act strangely. One of them was correctly diagnosed which reminded people of the spill.

If the change in behavior is toward someone, it may be that he offended the others without realizing it.

It can be anything.

In high school many, many years ago my 12th grade english teacher brought in one of his friends in order to get the class to see something that was locked away in their brains (or something or other). We were put through a whole relaxation routine and then told to go to different places in order to unlock a chest that held the "answer" to our deepest question(s). The catch is that we needed to believe that this was happening (which I did not) in order for this to work. I didn't see squat; except, for a bunch of my class mates looking like idiots.

As an adult I have seen a hypnotist that will regress people and then send them into their future. It is a trip to watch these people slow down as they "age" and when they do not respond to questions it is supposed to be a "sign" that they haven't lived to that age - so in essence they have died. I have seen people made to be stiff as a board and lifted onto the tops of two seat backs and just left there, only to have one of the chairs removed while they are still lying there stiff as a board. People in the audience were putting themselves into a hypnotic state as taught to them by this guy. It was a trip. But again, if you are a non believer, or a non participant then I do not think that you should have to worry.

But still it did not work on me, Mrs Ferris won't try it anymore 'cause once she put herself under at one of these shows. I, still, haven't had any success at being put down (or under?).

It is said that those who are most suggestible are better able to hold their heads fixed and roll their eyes up and "back in their heads." Supposedly this is a test that can be used to measure chance of success at mesmerising.

Interesting response, Vulcan! Also, we should remind the questioner to be aware that hypnosis and control via drugs are two entirely different subjects. It should be possible to induce "hypnosis", or a form thereof, via mild drug application, as in the water (5-gallon water bottle) coffee, etc. But I'm pretty sure there are some pretty strong laws against such actions.

The only time I saw someone else hypnotized was a mechanic in our factory.

Computers were just being introduced and they had these nice screensavers that whirl around on the screen.

One mechanic sits down in front of the computer, watches for a few minutes and the next thing we notice is that he's nodding off. 'Couple minutes later, he was asleep but still sitting on the stool.

I still wonder if he might have slept without falling if I had not shaken him awake.

I once saw a guy do a bang up job of some dowsing. When I talked about it here (CR4)I was trounced for having such non-empirical ideas. Quite a bit of stink really. And no on e ever came to a firm resolve, rather a bunch of chest beating and berating. I digress.

So in that same line of thought:

Yes a person absolutely and without question can be hypnotized. I have seen it with my own eyes beyond any shadow of doubt and defying any logic to the contrary - Hypnosis is very, very real! Aside from my own experience of road hypnosis I have seen stage hypnosis- at a comedy club. Holy crap! My best friends sister, Karen, and if you knew Karen - yes Hypnosis is real. Unless we are now going to wrestle with semantics, quite real.

As to doing it to someone who was not willing? I don't know about that. But maybe.

Hi C_Rummel3,

I applaud your courage here. CR4 members can be tough at times. A related effect is that false memories can be implanted in someones mind (Google "false memory"). This can and does happen by accident at times. It's a scary scenario.

Regards,

S

...someone who was not willing? I don't know about that...

Actually, I meant that you can't be hypnotized and forced to do something that you're not willing to do.

For example, someone can hypnotize you and tell you to murder someone. It won't work, you'll reject it. If you have murderous tendencies then, that may be another story.

It was a comedy performance where audience members performed ridiculously. I guess she was willing to turn the chair around on stage, sit on her hands, cluck like a chicken 3 times and start doing a mock strip tease.

At least the 4th grade special education students she taught wern't there to inhibit her.

We had a hypnosis demonstration in my junior high school. The guy took students from my school and did some amazing things. Some of these kids were people I knew.

He had the kids act like they were in a rocket ship that was launching, one of the girls fell out of her chair and hit her head on a planter wall. She didn't feel it until after she was brought out of being hypnotized.

He made one girl stiff as a board and then laid her across two chairs like a bridge and then stood on her. She held up.

It might be real. but how could he do it?

Power of suggestion - I have seen psychology students (my school friend choose it as a career) targeting a fellow student by on after the other telling him he is looking pale, later the day he went home sick. They tried it on me as well but I knew what they were doing and I faked a faint and had them worried.

Motivation - A good motivator can do wonders. anybody resisting motivation does not belong in the company.

Corruption , blackmail - (negative motivation) This should be resisted even to the extend of resigning. Motivation should be followed by reward or satisfaction.

Hypnoses or whatever it is called can be resisted. (especially political mesmerizing).

To All: Hypnosis is a state of relaxed concentration. The key word is relaxed. I have personally hypnotized several individuals without their knowledge (long ago when I was very foolish) and it caused more trouble than it was worth. It took all of them several years to discover it, however I have made reparations.

In short one can be hypnotized but it must be in a relaxed state of mind.

Dragon

From my observations, the kind of "hypnosis" I am talking about should work better when the individual is highly stressed and confused; surely, all people I saw to manifest the strange behaviour wanted something nearly desesperately, and reasonably had very little hope to get them according to usual experience. Their "strange" behaviour was to me a kind of strange "way" to eventually receive what they wished when following the "dictates" from somebody above. Not clear to me if they were really so concious about that. I would like to find out if there is a means to supress or interact with those people to interfere with the "hypnosis power", and to absolutely hinder that this kind of actuation is performed in oneself. Thanks to all for all your comments.

"surely, all people I saw to manifest the strange behaviour wanted something nearly desesperately, and reasonably had very little hope to get them according to usual experience"

This sounds less like hypnotism, and more like a program of misdirection and disinformation to me. As if they were being made unkeepable promises for Herculean efforts, or suchlike...

More detail might help.

This is interesting.

Maybe you can share with us what exactly you did.

At a high school assembly 40 years ago, they did a hypnotist show. Your typical "ring the bell, cluck like a chicken" stuff. They asked for student volunteers. One of them was a straight A, star basketball player, father was a science teacher at the school, student. After the event, until he graduated, he struggled to get passing grades and became a class clown.

Personally, to avoid unwanted mind control, I wear a hat made of kitchen grade aluminium foil, avoid water tainted with fluoride and only listen to music by Elvis. It seems to be working so far. ffej

Love the humor.

First check your company's medical benefits plan. Then check check with a psychatrist...to make sure where the perception is coming from. It might be burnout and time for a vacation.

Mind control is a myth. Repeate after me, mind control is a myth, mind control is a myth, mind control is a myth, I want to work for free, I want to work for free, I want to work for free.

Don't worry; schizophreniacs are for the most part, impossible to hypnotize.

As for mind control, you do not want to know the amount of money spent by various governments on research and experimentation to control various subjects, on this on-going area of development.

What sort of work is done in your company?

Yes the hypnotist I was talking about in my first post stated that only about 10% of the population cannot be hypnotized and this is due to nervous disorders.

Hey that was a cool book (your namesake, who was it by?)... to lazy to look it up 'cause I am going to bed at the present time.

I don't remember the author, I read it about 14 years ago.

Hypnosis can only be done with a willing person after establishing a relaxed comfortable feeling. Not all people can be hypnotized. People under hypnosis will not do anything the're not already predisposed to do in real life.

Hynosis used to be used to recontruct memories (details of crime, etc) until they discovered that people under hynosis have a tendency to fabricate what they think the hynotizer wants to hear , so inadmissible in court.

A few references follow:

"A theory of hypnotic Induction Procedures" by T.X. Barber & W.D. DeMoor

"Suggested Hypnotic Behaviour" by T.X. Barber

"The Effect of Suggestion on Visual acuity" by Charles Graham & Heschel W. Liebowitz

" Hynotic Control of Peripheral Skin temperature" by Christina Maslach, Gary Marshall & Philip Zimbardo

Hope this helps. Sounds like stress to me.

Hynosis used to be used to recontruct memories (details of crime, etc) until they discovered that people under hynosis have a tendency to fabricate what they think the hynotizer wants to hear , so inadmissible in court.

I once worked with an engineer who had a second career as a stage hypnotist. I remember asking him about hypnosis and about the ability of those under hypnosis to provide information when they were "regressed" to prior situations. [At the time, there were a number of persons claiming to have been famous persons, etc. in a past reincarnation; this would probably be caled the "Audie Murphy Syndrome"]. My friend eluded to having done such a regression on stage numerous times. One particularly interesting time was when a young lady under hypnosis was regressed to a time prior to her birth. She said everywhere she looked except up was "brown.". Aafter further questioning under hypnosis he determined that she believed she was a butterfly sitting on the back of a brown cow.

His considered opinion was the same as yours that people under hypnosis fabricate the story they believe the hypnotist wants to hear.

Hypnosis is real. I know, because I have been hypnotized myself. I went for a hypnotherapy demonstration session, as I was planning to study hypnotism for use as an aid in counselling sessions as part of the volunteer work I engage in sometimes. It was a really interesting experience, and having personally experienced the condition, I think I'm in a position to shatter some common misconceptions about it.

First of all, all hypnosis is self-hypnosis; the so-called "hypnotist" only conditions the subject i.e. the person being hypnotized, into a suitable state of mind and body to be hypnotized. The rest depends upon just how much the subject is willing to cooperate with the hypnotist.

Secondly, a person who's being hypnotized is fully aware of his surroundings at all times; contrary to popular belief, he isn't asleep. Instead, he's in a state of what can best be described as a "heightened sense of awareness or concentration".

Thirdly, even the best hypnotist can't hypnotize someone against his will, because the subject is really hypnotizing himself. And a hypnotist cannot force someone to commit suicide if the subject wasn't already suicidal to begin with, and he certainly cannot force the subject to commit murder if the subject didn't already have latent homicidal tendencies to begin with. A Manchurian Candidate type situation is almost impossible.

The reason why a stage hypnotist can make people do foolish things that they would not normally do, such as performing a striptease or behaving like a dog in public, is because what the hypnotist really does is to strip away the subjects' inhibitions so that they don't feel awkward or embarrassed when they perform them.

Fourthly, resisting hypnotism is easy. Just ignore the hypnotist. It will not work without your cooperation, because as I mentioned before, all hypnotism is self-hypnotism, and it cannot be done against your will.

I hope this lays your fears to rest.

Hmmm- reminds me of the time as a 17y/o at a stage presentation- 99% of subjects performed stupid acts- I didn't- the Hypnotist whispered in my ear" say this"- I did because I thought it was expected of me- but at no stage did I react as the utter fools did- the post that schizos can't be hypoed is interesting- but I ain't a certified schizo!.

Exactly what I'm saying. The reason why you said what the hypnotist asked you to say was because you had agreed to do it subconsciously; likewise, the reason why you didn't pull off stupid stunts was because you were fundamentally opposed to performing them.

I don't know whether the claim that schizophrenics can't be hypnotized is true or not, but you don't need to be schizoid to resist doing what the hypnotist wants you to do even if you have already been hypnotized: you just have to be fundamentally opposed to doing what you were instructed to do. Just for the record though, the claim is probably true, since schizos are unlikely to be able to muster the level of concentration necessary to be hypnotized.

Jedi mind tricks are limited to Force users like myself.

If you think of it, it is not so difficult to make someone think he is being "under control"...particularly if this person is "looking for something" (getting an increase in salary, or in recongition, etc.) and is willing to do his very best to achive what he wishes..if the person in fact is "naive", he might not realize the surrounding reality; if you get to know the person, his habits, and for instance you have access to his internet usage, so that you can control him/here there..I still believe nobody has real access to somebody else mind, the "controlling person" can at most only figure out what the "person-under-control" will do.... But lately, I find even difficult to keep my believe in this assertion...I sincerely appreciate the comments from you all. I am living a really weird situation. And seriously, it "is" real, absolutely real, probably not so "terrible-in-deed", not any Hitchock film made true (no murder inside), but real, even though I do not think a psicologist would believe it.

Ummm, if it is at work and you are having problems with your boss couldn't you talk to someone that could possibly intervene? Like maybe a human resources dept or something like that? Or is it a small company that you are working for? Good luck with whatever you are going through!

I would like to add a few points to what my friends have already said before.

As you know..

You cannot undergo hypnosis against your will. It can only be used in a suggestive form wherein a mental delimma can be sorted out. There are people who go to hypno-therapists for anger management willingly. Here, the therapist will put them in a hypnotic trance (relaxed sleep like state) and then strengthen the part of him that wants to quit giving in to anger purely by strong suggestive means.

Unless you want to believe in what is being said to you or are confused it can help... but only if you are willing.

Apart from hypnosis, there are other forms of mind control which may prove to be much more effective in showing clear personality changes. The hypnotists also use speech tone and breathing to regulate their control over the person. You can watch for these signs in anybody you suspect.

If you feel that someone else might actually be controlling the way you think or behave then I suggest you see a professional about this. If any of this is true, your boss is likely to be committing a grave crime.

Also find out if your collegues are also feeling the same way as you are or maybe the stress is getting to you. In any case, it is not a bad idea to seek help.

If anyone in a position of authority in a private corporation is abusing their authority, the company may be at risk of a major lawsuit. I would seek professional counsel privately and gather evidence meanwhile, to present to an attorney at a later date - better have lots of evidence. There have been many developments in the field of mind control recently (including mild doses of "date rape" drugs to condition the subject such as were present in Sirhan Sirhan's blood when Kennedy was assassinated). While highly unlikely, it may be that someone in the company is far enough away fron reality that they could be experimenting is subtle ways. Mind control? Who hasn't stared at the back of a class-mates head and concentrated on a thought - to have the class-mate respond by turning around a looking directly at the source? Is it likely the US and the USSR (among other nations) have an on-going research project to persue this as far as it can be persued??? Leave no stone unturned and you will discover many things - or you aren't looking deeply enough.

Dear Guest, The U.S. had Project Sunstreak and the U.S.S.R. had (translated) Operation Vesper in the late seventies and early eighties. Believe me that you have no wish to be involved in the line of research that they were following. Both were involved in hypnosis, and mind control for the purpose of assasination. The effectiveness of the studies were limited and most of the trainees went insane.

Dragon

I see you are informed; very good. The greatest problem with the trainees is that they could not "turn it off" once they began getting into other's minds, and could not rest or sleep. Planes have been downed, and pilots have frozen up, unable to fire their weapons when the techniques that were developed were used against them - just one scenario. If you believe a project with such powerful potential has been abandoned, well......

Dear SPIJman, Those two projects were abandoned, and they dealt more with remote viewing and telekinesis. The problems stemmed mostly from the fact that there are individuals and groups with equal and greater abilities who were not under government control and resented being targeted.

The research and investigation into this is ongoing. As a test: go to a local "psychic fair" and watch the individuals offering to "test your psychic ability". They are plants for this sort of program. I have personal experience with this. Many years ago I was "recruited", and only after some very drastic measures did I win free.

I am on their "do not contact list" because of those measures. But I know I am still being watched. Paranoid? Perhaps, but you know the old saying, "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean their not out to get you."

Dragon

Most interesting. I avoid settings such as those advertising psychic readings, but not for related reasons. Sometimes one just "knows" things, as I'm sure you are aware. I never have felt comfortable near such places, and others too, for reasons I am unaware of. No skills here - just "sensitive"?

Dear SPIJman, Having not been in your presence physically, I can only hazard a guess, but having a bit of experience it is a well educated guess: you do not feel comfortable in places of high psychic density for the same reason someone with sensitive hearing would not like living next to an airfield: noise. That many uncontrolled and untrained minds is, as my grandsire would say, "Like a train wreck put to music."

Dragon

Are you guys for real? Do you not yet realize there is no end to possible projects, and no shortage of project-ors (pun intended), seeking to soak up existing or potential government revenues?

The only "remote viewing" actually hoped for in your "projects" [project : an undertaking, usually quasi-official and un-legislated, often with complicity, actual or tacit, by foreign governments, to determine the extent and duration of funding that can be concealed within a government bureaucracy] was respecting the view towards the next funding installment...before the game was up.

They have books on astral projection, is this something like that?

Dear Ferris, Astral projection, is to my experience, as piloting a microlight aircraft is to flying a F-35 JSF fighter. You are in the air with either one but your capabilities are very different.

Overall, I am not the most talented, just at my specialty.

Dragon