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Meteorite or UFO?

01/16/2008 5:20 AM

I was out in the country again yesterday. After completing my work (in 31degree sun) we were sitting chatting in the shade of a big tree. The conversation eventually involved the Vredefort meteorite impact and he said he had something to show me.

He bought the property with an existing house 25 year ago. (From the design I would guess it was built in the 1950's ) The corner of the house were sinking (dolomite) and he had a trench dug next to the house. He went to a distance below the foundation and jacked the foundation up and concrete fill the cavity.

He found the object about 2m below the surface. The object is 180 x 130 x 110 mm and gave the impression that it was broken off the corner of a bigger 110 mm slab. The top and bottom is rather flat 2 off the sides are also almost flat and square. The weight is 11kg.

The Object is almost pure chrome with signs that it was exposed to heat.

Embed in the top seems to be a black glass like substance. 8 to 10mm wide (Tapering slightly) and 60 mm long, flush with the surface. At the top of that orientated at 90 degrees to the first is a 15 cm long x 10mm diam. substance dark brown in color and even more glass like in appearance. (like a piece of 10mm branch that was turned into stone). There is even a difference between the inside and outside like a growth ring)

On the bottom irregular ripples is visible (almost equivalent to the water trapped in the corner of a side window when traveling at a speed).

The brown and black substance were apparently confirmed to be Tektite. (and looking at wiki I have to agree – The only difference is that it is embedded in the chrome).

He theory is that the force of the impact caused the Tektite to form and the object was thrown up into space and dropped 175 km further. The direction is however 70 degrees to my estimate of the direction of the impact.

My questions

1) Was the object really molten when it hits the earth?

2) Can a blop of chrome (molten or not) break up into regular shaped pieces?

3) What do CR4 think about the jumping /reflected pieces.

4) Are there any more examples of tektite embedded in metal.

5) Given the regular shape of the piece, what about it being ripped out of a floor or panel of a UFO?

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01/16/2008 6:43 AM

5) Well, that is one heavy thick floor if it is!

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01/16/2008 7:45 AM

The impact of the meteorite caused rock to melt and flow. What to say what you were looking at was not different materials that melted together during the impact and flowed out into a slab. If kept molten for long enough same substances would separate out. The different substances cooling and solidifying at different rates would leave appearance of growth rings.

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01/16/2008 11:24 PM

Interesting. Any photos you could supply?

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01/17/2008 1:50 PM

I will get a photo and post it.

Here is am interesting piece www.namibweb.com/hoba.htm .

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01/17/2008 12:43 AM

In order to answer your question, please answer the following questionnaire:

  1. Have you ever been visited by sinister Asian-looking men wearing black coats, black neckties, black sunglasses, black fedoras, shiny black shoes, and white shirts and socks, and who drive shiny black Cadillacs?
  2. When you pick up the phone, do you hear inexplicable clicking noises in the background?
  3. Do you have dreams of alien abduction?
  4. Is your blood type Rh-negative?
  5. At any time, do you feel a need to wear tin-foil hats, drink unfluoridated water and listen to Elvis Presley?
  6. Do unmarked black helicopters fly over your home late at night?
  7. Do you have inexplicable scars with tiny, metallic-feeling objects or implants in them?
  8. Have you ever been approached by a tall and handsome FBI agent and his short, pretty, reddish-blonde partner for your cooperation in an ongoing investigation?
  9. Has any self-proclaimed "investigative reporter" ever approached you and urged you to tell the world "the truth about what you saw"?
  10. Have you ever had unexplained nosebleeds?

If you answered "No" to all of them, then it's a meteorite. On the other hand, if you answered "Yes" to one or more of them, well..........................

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01/17/2008 3:13 AM

Guilty as charged - I do listen to Elvis but do not even wear a textile hat.

The rest of the questions are a negative except 4 where I am negative to the question but positive in blood.

About 1 - I don't know about the car but Asian sounding salesman regularly phones me for taking out insurance. Is that bad?

I don't think the object I saw came from the Vredefort impact but may have been a separate smaller impact.

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01/17/2008 3:36 AM

"Guilty as charged - I do listen to Elvis but do not even wear a textile hat.

The rest of the questions are a negative except 4 where I am negative to the question but positive in blood.

About 1 - I don't know about the car but Asian sounding salesman regularly phones me for taking out insurance. Is that bad?"

You have to clarify this further then.

  1. Have you experienced lost time?
  2. Do the Asian insurance salesmen seem to know uncanny details of your family life?
  3. Do you ever get sudden flashes of inspiration on how to build zero-point energy or anti-gravity devices etc?
  4. Have you ever experienced flashes of memories of life on Zeta Reticuli or the Pleiades?
  5. Do you sometimes catch glimpses of tiny, skinny gray-skinned men with huge bald heads?
  6. Have you ever caught glimpses of Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones lookalikes following you around?

If you answered "Yes" to any of the above, then yes, it is bad; very bad.

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01/17/2008 5:06 AM

Oops I must be doomed.

1) keep loosing time, passwords, keys and more.

3) Often flashes of memories of the old . . . whatever.

5) I think they are dark green (Silicon / tektite based)

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01/17/2008 4:37 AM

Hi Hendrik,

you should first check if the part is radioactive or not, it may be really dangerous!

If radioactive this may come from your country's experiments with nuclear bombs. This would explain also the glassy tektites-like parts.

Then please make some fotos and post these here.

I don't think that reentry from space will be able to break up such a massive plate, nor is it likely that the plate is coming from space.

Reentry is simply not violent enough to do such damage. The plasma that is generated by any part coming with 10 to 30km/s trough (first very low pressure then gradually higher) air will heat the surface to above melting temperature. But the heat will take some time to go into the material. The stress that is induced by heating and expansion on rising temperature will break up the material (if this massive). Thin sheets will readily be heated and blown away as in the Space-Shuttle accident.

Then let the "pure chromium" be specified: analyse the composition, this may help.

The ripple is an indication that there was a high velocity air contacting a partially molten surface.

Your questions:

1. the part was molten only at the surface,

2. really regular breakup cannot be in good metallic material, only in cleavable crystals

3. Reflected pieces can be existing as an incoming heavy object is generating a pressure wave that has a pressure distribution around the impact point that is radially more or less constant in amplitude. So this pressure wave can throw parts to the side.

4. I saw many tektites from different origins but only one was a mixture of stone and tektite material: the shock-waves caused the transformation in layers and were not so intense to transform the total piece. This was in a small meteorite.

5. Any extraterrestrial visiting party would use optimised structures. This part seems more likely as the armour of an early battleship.

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01/17/2008 6:41 AM

Hi Rhabe

I will get a photo and post it here.

I did some surfing and got hold of www.namibweb.com/hoba.html What could be the reason for the cuboid shape? The sample I saw must be described as cuboid.

I am more at home with the random shape of the Gibeon-meteorites.

About the Chrome - That was what the man told me. Only a small area was cut and faced. It most probably consist of iron, nickel, cobalt, chromium and other.

I think it came down separately.

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01/17/2008 1:51 PM

Sorry the correct link is www.namibweb.com/hoba.htm

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01/17/2008 8:02 PM

If it is really a meteorite, then it is worth some serious money, stop working in the 31 degree sun, sell it and get under the air conditioner!

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01/18/2008 11:48 PM

Hi Steve

Unfortunately it is not my piece of rock. (Maybe it is fortunate.)

In SA we have load sharing (darkness sharing - due to bad planning) - I mean what is the use of an AC if you do not have electricity to run it.

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01/19/2008 10:03 AM

Ah, but if it were your rock, with the money you could buy a gen set and some petrol to run the air conditioner, regardless of the grid!!

I will think cool thoughts for you. This weekend is the two days of winter we get here. It should actually be 0 C tonight. But we'll be back into the 20's by next week...

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01/19/2008 6:05 PM

Look into photovoltaic... it will help you with your power (or lack of) problems... Is it true that they have cars down there in SA that will shoot flames out of the sides to protect against car jacking? Dumb question, just someting that I have been told by people that have visited your country.

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01/20/2008 12:43 AM

Our power situation is rather bad at present, I had about 30 dark hours in the past 6 days in spite of a promised 2 hours max per day.

Solutions are plenty but nobody budgeted for that and availability is low.

"Is it true that they have cars down there in SA that will shoot flames out of the sides . . . . ?"

Our crime rate is quite high - We have people from Africa (Zimbabwe and other|) streaming in illegally. And they often do carjacking. A lot of people may be devising plans for protection. (Spring loaded bars underneath the car, chains on a spindle, flame throwers, spring loaded spikes under the seat, snakes in the car etc etc. I haven't seen any implementations (most of us are rather law abiding and would not) but I cannot rule out the possibility of a hot head doing it.

Such devices are dangerous to yourself and innocent bystanders and i don't think a person will have time to use it.

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01/18/2008 2:08 AM

pictures, pictures, pictures, pictures oh I am sorry I am being redundant...

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01/18/2008 3:01 AM

Hi Hendrik, excellent thread, right up my street! I'd love to see some picture as well.

NB. My feelings on UFO's are - Why would they come all this way and only kidnap country bumpkins - or only talk to the people in the gov.com who can keep a secret, you know, the ones no-one else can find?

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01/18/2008 5:30 AM

"Why would they come all this way and only kidnap country bumpkins"

Because the so-called "country bumpkins" are the only ones who are open-minded enough to believe in over-unity free energy and to actually construct the devices, so they are the only ones entrusted with the knowledge.

"or only talk to the people in the gov.com who can keep a secret, you know, the ones no-one else can find?"

Because they are the only ones brainless enough to obey without question, nor try to protect themselves from alien brainwashing by wearing tin-foil hats, avoiding fluoridated water and listening to Elvis Presley. Must be something about bureaucracy that reduces once-intelligent people into mindless drones.

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01/18/2008 5:55 AM

Are, so the exact opposite of the ones who are always in the public eye, but are only really keen to point out all the reasons why something can't be done?

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01/18/2008 12:35 PM

By the way, even if it is (only) a meteorite/fragment, and it was found only 2 or 3 meters beneath the surface, and it is only worth a little money, it may still be worth the expense of conducting a geophysical/seismic survey in order to locate and recover any other such fragments within your property boundaries...

As for extraterrestrial visitors, possibly attracted by our various broadcasting media, but it's (content...) may concern them so much, that they may simply be afaid to make contact with us out of fear that such contact will contaminate them with our affliction, which may in turn, be symptomatic of our collective history, which is little more than a chronology of conflict, over cosmically miniscule issues...

But, quickly now, have the fragment assayed for current market value so you can get your own (techno-trinket-of-current-interest), while they're still in stock...

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01/21/2008 12:58 AM

Actually, the ones in the public eye aren't real; they're just psychic projections placed in our minds by the aliens. The real leaders are the ones the aliens contact directly, but you already knew that, didn't you?

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