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Locomotive power

01/19/2008 8:02 AM

I will be travelling to Paris next week, how much power is drawn from the 25 Kv overhead line to drive these 300 Kph trains.

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Re: Locomotive power

01/19/2008 9:03 AM

To be honest I don't know.

But if the engine power needs to be 10 000 horse power, that's about 7.5 MegW....

Hmmmm so that would be a current draw of about 300 Amps from those 25kV lines...?!! Which I suppose isn't unrealistic?

I will be interested in reading other more informed answers to this!

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01/20/2008 12:54 AM

We follow the power chain from pantograph to wheels, in the specific case of the TGV Atlantique 24000 series power car. The TGV 24000 does not contain any particularly exotic components, and in principle shares many of its features with most modern electric (and even diesel-electric) locomotives. The drawing below shows a cutaway view of the 24000, and is followed by a more detailed description. There are two power cars per trainset; each develops 4400 kW (5900 hp) and weighs just 68 tonnes (150,000 lb).

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01/20/2008 6:44 AM

From what I can gather, the TGV only takes power from the catenary for around 10% of the time, the rest is spent free-wheeling. Braking is regenerative, so when slowing down power is fed back into the overhead, and thus into the grid.


The control electronics are impressive, both in size and power...

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02/02/2008 9:59 AM

<for around 10% of the time, the rest is spent free-wheeling>

Depending on Slope on track you may reduce power intake---but expecting 10% time to feed in and 90% freewheeling--NO,NO!

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02/02/2008 10:11 AM

I thought that wildly optomistic for a 300 Kph vehicle, I there was such a large difference in the power required for acceleration and that required for running flywheels or some such energy storage system would be appropriate

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