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Can you use the mspaint?

02/15/2008 9:11 PM

everyone of us would has this basic tool on the computer if you would use win opsystem. in the toolbox, there is a curve tool, which can draw any curve. can you use it to draw a curve like below illustration?

a small test.

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02/16/2008 1:09 AM

Hello cnpower

My MS Paint has different instructions from yours, I don't have the horizontal bar of Chinese Instructions.

However I have used the curve facility in MS Paint.

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02/16/2008 1:15 AM

Hi cnpower

I have just looked in paint help, searched for tool + curved line. Seems you need to select one of the lines in the box below and then drag it? I have to play with it some more, Yes I find it frustrating, not very good is it.

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02/17/2008 9:28 PM

jd,

Not quite, but close. Click on either one of the two line tools, straight or curvy. The line thickness "menu" opens just below in the tool box pane. Click on the desired thickness. (Hint: if you intend to post line drawings, stay with thicker lines because service compression (re-sizing) after upload could remove just enough data to render the line barely visible or non-continuous after download...to your screen.)

Once a line thickness has been selected it becomes default for all lines and geometric shapes (tools)...until changed again as per above.

Bonus tip: Ever wonder whether your straight line is exactly vertical or horizontal? Let Paint control that for you. After selecting straight line tool, and after (or before) left clicking down on the line start point, hold down Shift key on keyboard. Then drag in the general direction the line is meant to go. If dragging anywhere within 45° on either side of (say) vertical, the line will be held (by Paint) on vertical. Same for horizontal...and even same for 45° sloped lines. So, for example, when drawing a controlled vertical line and using the shift-constraint function, when you release the left button the vertical line will terminate on the horizontal line where the pointer is located when "released," even if the pointer is not on the just-drawn vertical line. However, caution: If you intend to start a second straight line at any angle from the end of the first line, it is best to "converge" the tool pointer directly over the end of the first line; that way: (1) you don't have to worry about "aiming" the pointer to start the second line (simply release, click, and drag again); and (2) you get a nice, clean angle rendering.

Bonus tip 2: With Shift-click it is very easy to redirect the drag-formed line (however long it is...) in another direction from the start point. Simply (and before releasing the mouse button), drag the pointer CW or CCW around the point of line origin. The line will follow the pointer, hopping to the 45-, 90-, 135-...degree angles as the pointer "orbits"....

Question: Anyone seen cnpower? He started this discussion...but now he seems to be lost.

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02/18/2008 2:30 AM

Thank you CowAnon for that bit of insight.

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02/16/2008 1:22 AM

Hi Cnpower - Mspaint is OK but translating the screen image to small mouse movements of my hand is a problem.

I like the icons you use on your main / pull down menu. Have you tried writing that with paint?

I did use Coral draw previously (In the ice/dos age).

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02/17/2008 10:35 PM

Pardon...but, not sure what you mean, exactly, by (menu) "icons," or pull-down menu....as neither is shown in cn's pic. Comparing his and my Paint...s, side by side, I see identical main menu bars, cn's written in pictographs (apparently it takes two Chinese words to say each of File, Edit, View, Image, Color, Help, respectively. The Roman character in paren's beside each Chinese menu bar button appears to be for hot-key menu opening, since there's no Chinese (picture word) way to show F, E, V, I, C, and H...and still have the Chinese menu bar words say the same thing.

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02/16/2008 4:22 AM

The program has only existed for 20 or so years ...
You can't expect Microsoft to have made it user friendly, smooth or bug free yet

(Sarcastic joke)

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02/16/2008 4:54 AM

Hello Del the cat

Amen to that, brother.

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02/17/2008 1:09 AM

Are you trying again to get "Good Answer" ratings on "Off-Topic" comments? Or still trying . . .

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02/17/2008 2:22 AM

Yes.

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02/17/2008 3:23 AM

The thing to bear in mind always is that it's a three-click operation. Click one sets the arc start point (release at the end of drag sets the end point); click two pulls the line towards the pointer (second drag and release adjusts the curve); click three (on either side of the original curve segment repeats the same thing to further adjust the curve (releasing after second drag freezes the curve).

A good approach is to first envision the start and end points before stretching the first straight line out into a curve. For more acute curves, make the second click farther (relative to original line segment length) from the original straight line segment; for gentler curves...closer. In some cases its best to develop the curve as a series of curves, especially when wending the curve around "obstructions." For example, suppose the curve needs to follow a smooth path around, say, one corner of a box. The initial click would be along one exterior side of the box; then drag thru the box and release on the outside of the adjoining side (around the corner) of the box. The second click somewhere on the imaginary line from box center through and to a point outside the box corner will pull the entire line into a curve arching around the box corner on the outside. The third click, drag and release is then used to adjust the curve as desired--however, if no further adjustment is needed, make the third click outside the drawing page (preferably on the curve tool or another tool) to freeze the curve and deactivate curve draw (and reactivate it for the next curve if the "freeze" click is made on the curve draw tool.)

Now suppose the line must follow a more circuitous path: for example, around two or more corners of the box; or between and around two boxes situated close to each other at different levels. (Or you could be trying to make a pointer from a label to an object and, in order to have room for the label text a long, curved pointer line is needed.) In cases like this you will have better (and easier) end results by first envisioning all of the curve segments between start and end points, whether concave or convex, and doing each segment one at a time, adding each curve, in succession, onto the end of the previous curve. Each change from concavity to convexity along the curve path would be the endpoint of a curve segment.

Summarizing, the essential idea is to start with the shortest path from Point A to Point B (however many such paths will be needed) and then adjust the straight line into the curve you want, keeping in mind that second and third clicks close to the existing line will result in more gradual curvature, and second and third clicks farther out will result in more acute curvature. And always remember how many clicks...to avoid screwing up a satisfactory curve and having to redraw. The key to making the tool work well is to plan out in advance what you want to end up with.

A good way to practice—rather than just making squigglies over the drawing sheet—is to first draw a pattern of obstacles using the box, oval, etc. tools. Then practice drawing a single line (a series of arcs) around the obstacles (from point Α to point Ω) without the line cutting through the obstacles. As you get the knack of it, continue using more and more complex obstacle layouts to wend your way through. Then it might be fun to create a maze (drawing polygons within polygons, etc; and then selecting, and deleting openings in polygon "walls") and then try to draw a single line which traces from an entry opening on one side of the maze to an exit opening elsewhere on the maze; this will require much finer control and looking ahead to where clicks should be made. And it's fun to do. (Don't forget Edit>Undo, when any line part gets messed up and intersects a maze wall.)

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02/17/2008 3:57 AM

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02/21/2008 4:38 PM

Here's one solution—copy the pic above to Paint if anyone wants to try—of the maze...in 5 steps.

Hmm, this give me an idea for a game and skill development tool for kids and foto-edit learners.

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02/17/2008 5:06 AM

I suppose it's Sunday, so I may as well.....

It's more satisfying to do this on paper. Bisecting the angles and inserting tangential circles etc. All sorts of cycloid shapes can be made like this. British 20p and 50p coins will run smoothly into a vending machine because of the beautiful and wonderous cycloid. Wankel engins would turn nasty if they didn't get it right. Oh no, I'm digressing ! My almswer was 'almost', because I was a bit lazy with tidying up my drawing number 2.

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02/17/2008 2:12 PM

How about a sketch on paper, matted and framed and hung on a blue wall?

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02/17/2008 2:40 PM

Presumably entitles 'Spring is Here' ?

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Spring is Sprung (On Idle Winter's Sundays), actually.

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02/18/2008 12:56 AM

Poor zeberdee,,,,

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02/18/2008 1:15 PM

...Gulp!

A Paint master if ever there was one.

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02/18/2008 8:17 PM

Hi,Cowanon.

why not share us all how to draw the spring with your paint tool?

step by step,

you are a wise user.

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02/21/2008 4:42 PM

Thanks, cn. I would guess that slightly obsessed user is a bit more accurate. I'll see about working up an illustrated procedure as time permits.

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03/18/2008 8:54 PM

Are you eating your words above or you really busy?

you hvnt made your promise.a month past that we are waiting

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03/19/2008 4:51 AM

Are you eating your words above or you really busy?

CN, Actually, both. Haven't forgotten, haven't had time to finish just yet. Will get back to it soon as possible. Lot's of more pressing duties right now with seasons changing...things that can't be put off. Thanks for patience.

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03/20/2008 6:46 AM

haha, sorry for my words.

only a joke, hope you dont mind

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02/17/2008 3:31 PM

"everyoneAll of us >who use MS Windows OS< would has this basic toolhave >Paint< on theour computercomputers. if you would use win opsystem. inIn the >Paint< toolbox, there is a curve tool, which can >be used to< draw any curve. canCan you >(anyone but me ?)< use it to draw a curve [collection] like >the one illustrated< below illustration?"

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China,

It's really no "small test." I tried, but without copying and pasting (which would be cheating) I can't do your drawing for the life of me.

But while we're on the subject, there's one other thing maybe you can answer for me. I heard that Windows in China also comes in the "Calligrapher's and Zen Master's" version. In that version, I am told, Paint has only two tools: a brush; and the line tool (for making practice tablet lines for students & disciples only, and for setting brush stroke thickness). And, the "C&ZM" version also comes packaged with a free blindfold (). Is this true or are people just pulling my leg?

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02/18/2008 8:13 PM

I can only put forward one sample of this 3 order curve drawing. it has 4 control points to approach a curve.
different path, different curve.and once you fix the two terminal points, you can get that curve by careful choice the position of the rest two points. ha ha.



It's really no "small test." I tried, but without copying and pasting (which would be cheating) I can't do your drawing for the life of

you put down a new issue of probability. I'm afraid I can't give you out a solution: how much redrawing or repeat probability it is? Maybe your colleagues can make a clear answer. or even more explain about the B curve as well.

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02/20/2008 7:32 PM

I can't reply your the last question, because i haven't dealt with those people.
there are lots of artists around me, they use computer type articles and surfing. some of them can draw a wonderful picture. because they are painters. they use complex software like Maya, 3ds etc. rather than the Ma paint. They make many titles for TV program or movies. they are good at features creating and rent, from particles to ray and stream etc. Some of directors use composition software for their works editing.
If your company wish to make advertisement. We are please to serve for you. However our charge is more lower than you do in your country. from shoot to post product. include processing if you like to use film medium

if your company need publish brochures, our group can offer that business as well.

I know you are in a big electronic company. I can still declare, if you need some design, which ignored by your engineers , we can complete them as well in time.

For your curious, I can tell you that the monks are very rich now, they needn't play such simple brush, they have the most fashion mobile phone and the fastest computer for their playing the most modern games. those games I hvnt heard and seen ever.

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02/18/2008 8:05 PM

Its not everyone has such small painting tool in spite he is using windows operation system.
Certain reason is that he may lost this application program, or he think its no use very much and delete it during installation. In my old system, I have lost that. Thats why I said carefully if... he would...

today seems polling day, I vote for your #8 thread again. The description is more details than what I will post. After all you are from Big Company. and is aware of more knowledge than our small firm. and wonderful words.

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02/18/2008 8:40 PM

Hi, cowanon,

you neednt look down upon this simple tool, although its simple very much, it can cause many fancy and imagination.

if you hope to build your model, either standard human image or car running on the street, you hve to face with the function.

you can introduce more about its implements to visitors and its math principle of Bezier curve. and extend to B-spline or even more so much as nurbs. I think it must be interesting.
Im afraid I forget them all, you can

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02/19/2008 2:41 AM

A graphics Tablet (£45) and some free software lets you draw tacky chocolate boxey kitsch things like this mostrosity...makes me sick

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Hey, you've been holding out on us Del ! That's cool. Is it all freehand ? I was thinking of cheating and getting a program to convert photograhs to look like hand-drawn (the kind of thing you sometimes see in photo-booths *).

* For some reason the passport office don't like them.

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02/19/2008 3:03 AM

Free hand but copied from a photo mirror.
I just did it for practice...it is a tad cheezy... but cats n furry critters a hard to draw. The pressures sensitivity of the tablet/pen allows that subtlety. It's about using the constarints of the tools... so in 'paint' I'd do it like a cartoon.

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I'm tempted to get a graphics tablet, but have a nagging feeling it's one of those impulse buys that would get consigned to a cupboard fairly quick. Have you found any other good applications for it ? I was wondering if you can use it to store hand written notes/back of envelope designs etc, but I'm not sure if it would have the right 'feel'. One that could be used whilst not plugged into a PC might be of use.

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02/19/2008 8:53 AM

The freebie software translates graphics file types which is quite handy....

I'd done a plumbing diagram in a pcb package ans saved it a windows metafile (wmf) CR4 wouldnt accept it ! So I pulled it int the drawing packacge and saved it a a jpeg... bish bash bosh .

I just got it for fun but it is so much quicker for quick sketches for CR4 and such like than any other medium...

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I'm getting more and more tempted. The 'Cupboard of Folly' that houses my impulse buys is rather full, so I must proceed with caution.

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02/19/2008 4:23 AM

Actually, that's not a bad start! You and the squirrel-boyt might want to see if you can get your hands on a copy of Photoshop (one that may have fallen off the back of a truck). Works really well for drawing freehand.

Of course, for $2,000 you can get a tablet that acts as a high-res monitor, so that you're sketching directly on the screen! Now that would be cool!

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02/19/2008 4:35 AM

Now you tell me. I can't remove the crayon marks that got left when I tried to copy Del's picture.

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Well, you weren't watching your Winkie Dink action, were you.

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02/19/2008 7:16 AM

28 minutes ! It looks cool, he starts off like Rolf used to with that clear screen. There are masses of 'toons out there that I never saw before.

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03/21/2008 4:08 AM

Spring is coming, spring gives living things vigor and activity, spring has energy, spring likes spring, as said by kris.

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03/23/2008 3:33 AM

Hello cnpower

You can make a paper spring, which really works, the the instructions for making one are here.

Have a look here, for more springs.

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03/24/2008 9:32 PM

very interesting, I like play,

pLaying it, I think I come back to childhood

Our china has much more such paper games and more wonderful cutting paper arts!

AS soon as you see these arts you will amaze at them

Haha.

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