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Adding value to scrap before sales

03/18/2008 5:03 PM

1. In my country ,export of scrap is prohibited unless value is added to it.

so how can I add value to pc boards before selling?Also may I know buyers

of such materials.

2. Which scraps have silver in reasonably recoverable ammounts and how best can I easily recover the silver pure?

3. I hear of brass shots.how can I make them from brass scraps?

4What is black sand ?Does it contain any precious metal/

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yours sincerely,

Chukie,Lagos,Nigeria.

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03/18/2008 6:15 PM

Chukie,

1. In my country ,export of scrap is prohibited unless value is added to it.

so how can I add value to pc boards before selling?

PUT THEM IN BULK CONTAINERS

can't help you with the rest of your questions

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03/18/2008 6:59 PM

hi phoenix911 of cr4,

It's like you are a joker.Be a serious person.

your answer was rude please.

chukie.

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03/19/2008 10:04 AM

Chukie,

Joker, Rude.......? How did you come by that conclusion.

I could only answer one question, please explain

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03/19/2008 8:14 PM

phoenix911,

Well I was just wondering how you could advice a friend looking for a method of

improving the quality of his material to just lock them up inside a container.

You can compare your contribution with Hendrik's.

But its ok.I have to make my questions simpler next time.

cheers,

Chukie.

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03/20/2008 9:08 AM

I thank you for your politeness and calling me a freind, if you think I'am trying to insult you, you are mistaken.

In this coutry, USA. we had a proposed tax that the government is trying to push through with limited success. Its called the value added tax. sounds similiar to yours, export issues.

Where any thing you do and I mean anything you do to it that adds value, that government would take it and tax it. packaging falls under this catagory.

I felt that as simply and low cost as bulk packaging would be, this would be would be to your advantage.

Or maybe my solution I purposed is too simple, after comparing it to Hendrik's.

good luck,

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03/19/2008 3:29 AM

Hi Chukie

We don't know your law but the law you are referring to must surely only apply to scrap metal in larger quantities. The law will be aimed at preventing capital (in the form of metal) from leaving the country.

For example: if you have pieces of copper wire the law requires you for example to make a word of art and sell the art at a higher price than the copper involved. Therefore anybody buying the product for its copper contents will be a fool.

The cost of extracting metals from a PC board will most probably exceed the value of the metal.

Maybe you can add value to a PC board.

Heres what to do.

Take 2 PCB's of the same size.

Take off any sharp wires sticking out at the bottom.

Join the 2 boards with a hinge.

fix a notepad to the bottom one.

You can name the product "Nigerian Electronic Notepads"

Pack in plastic pouches with a nice pamphlet.

Export the product.

Your price should be set high enough for you to make a decent living.

You can further improvise and make useful / ornamental everyday use articles.

By the way I don't think Phoenix intended to be rude. Your request sounds rather strange.

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03/19/2008 11:33 PM

Hi Chukie;

Lagos, Nigeria. That in itself implies problems. Legalities are usually commercially

Vrelated, and if you live there, I'm sure you are aware.

Now, as for what elements you can extract from pc boards for what value depend on the types of pc boards and your access to the technologies to extract them.

Buyers for elemental extracts are global. But most pc boards, the only extracts are copper. There are some that have some of the more expensive elements (Gold, Platinum, etc.) but the technologies to extract are very different.

You would likely not get an answer here, without giving many more specifics, I.E. type of board, component dispersion, manufacturer and part number. There are millions of 'boards' out there, can't tell you if it's feasable without that information. And it's up to your government regulatons as to whether or not you can do it.

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03/19/2008 11:47 PM

Sorry, but I may have missed something here. If you actually have buyers for the boards in question and are looking for a way to sell them as "other" materials and credential them so they bypass the current laws, I may have a couple of ways. But,of course, I will need to discuss this with you more in depth. You can contact me at tom@kaighin.us. We will probably have to bring in a commercial/trade lawyer to make sure it's legal, but that is just, shall we say, cost of doing business.

If you wish me to work on this with you, email me and we can go over the options and determine a course of action.

"Rules create lawyers which destroy rules, which create rules, which create better lawyers which create better rules...ad nauseam.

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03/20/2008 5:34 AM

Hi Chukie,

first step: crush the PCBs to pieces to have a homogeneous material, this may match your laws.

Next step: build your own furnace to extract all metals:

This shall have the ability to melt some 50kg or more of copper and in this molten copper the PCBs (crushed or not) are immersed.

The epoxi is burning away, the glass is forming a flux so the metal will not oxidise, all metals will be dissolved in the molten copper and can be extracted at the copper refinery.

Get some afterburning of the epoxi fumes: you would not want to poison yourself nor your neighbours!

Get some analytical tool suited for detection of tin, nickel and gold in your copper to get a price according to these. Copper refineries do an electrolytic conversion to E-Cu and the dissolved metals will go to the sludge that is later recovered and sold. So any gold content as low as 1g/t is worth while and there is much more gold in the PCPs, especially the old ones.

Nickel and tin is 1000fold cheaper than gold so may be of lower interest, but tin existing in ample quantities on PCBs, ? try yourself.

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03/23/2008 6:49 PM

If someone buys the scrap It means that it has some residual value,

  1. you can recover whatever is to be recovered yourself.
  2. we have solved this problems by paying "export tax" of some percentage, adding some "added" value to the scarp. in our case it was 5 per mils, enough to satisfy the legislator.
  3. Are you new in Nigeria?

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