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How Would You Use Old Phonebooks As a Building Material?

06/04/2008 6:44 PM

It crossed my mind that old phone books could be used as bricks to build a house, if you drove rebar through them, or some otherway made them into wood bricks and put them together.

They do come in a standard size in many areas, and are often a major landfill component.

They may or may not be suitable as bricks depending on the location of the build.

I expect that it would be an interesting project to build a house from old phonebooks.

I imagine it as cheap, using bamboo like rebar in some places, which may still make prodigious numbers of phone books.

What you want are the big fat phone books like we used to have.

Possibly where there are bugs you could just treat the foundation books with insecticides, and push rebar or bamboo through the rest.

I imagine that big phone books could be used as building blocks.

I also suspect they would be of a high R value.

I also suspect they are becoming obsolete, though I have a few big ones still around in my house.

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06/04/2008 7:13 PM

I would soak them in a solution of wood glue and water, then press them so that they turn into bricks.

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06/04/2008 7:20 PM

Hmmm...good question!

I dunno, maybe start by soaking them in some kind of liquid that hardens and binds the pages together into one, solid "brick?" and, while the stuff is still wet, stack them brick-style to build the walls and other stuff. A liquid plastic (to which you add catalyst just before soaking the books) would probably work well, except that you'd want to use one that was fire-resistant, didn't produce off-casting - sickening fumes given off at normal ambient temperatures - and one that doesn't produce poisonous smoke when heated. Some kind of natural binder would be preferable, I think. Something like Gerber Baby Cereal would weld 'em good!

In my own case I'd "let my fingers do the walking" and look in one of 'em for the phone number of a good residential contractor. Then I'd look on another page for the number of a local recycler and call them to come get all these damn phone books littering my lawn before the city finds out and fines me.

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06/04/2008 7:32 PM

Transcendian,

As a Tarheel, you should know how to bind them together - grits. Just trowel grits on 'em, stack 'em up and voila! BellSouth adobe.

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06/05/2008 3:15 AM

What happens when it rains, though?

What about fire resistance?

That is why building codes are established, and why novel materials are looked at with some curiosity by Planning offices in the UK. At the end of the construction job, the structure has to be habitable and healthy to live in, after all!

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06/06/2008 8:20 AM

That was my response.

Also, what's the compressive strength of paper mache? How many phone books would it take to make a brick strong enough to hold a reasonable load?

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06/05/2008 10:49 PM

Impressive Idea. Unsure of the sturdiness but better not built on an area prone with termites.

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06/05/2008 11:13 PM

The current method is to remove the pages and mix with concrete and water form the slurry into bricks let them dry for a couple weeks then build away. Known a papercrete. There are many good websites on papercrete mixes and structures.

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06/05/2008 11:35 PM

This is something I've often considered but I ended up building a Lockwood house which is all "farmed" pine wood with an Aluminium exterior cladding.

After all I have seen several Straw bale houses on Tv with plaster coatings on a chicken wire covering and they seem both legal in some countries, reasonably fireproof and very energy efficient.

It might be a very good research project for someone to find a "safe" and cheap way to insect and fireproof these books for reuse.
Bamboo reinforcing however does NOT appeal. Bamboo can have some very unreliable strength characteristics as several early aviators discovered to their cost. Rebar would be a much better idea and not that much more expensive.

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06/05/2008 11:59 PM

Read up on straw bale construction, most of the techniques and solutions would be similar.

Bugs are less of a problem than you might think, for the same reason your phone book isn't full of bugs at home.

Driving rebar through them might be well nigh impossible. Perhaps laying them exactly like bricks...

Or you could frame them followed by stuccoing them after. Use them as bricks between a bare framework. I wouldn't hesitate to use something like an adobe mix as mortar. Adobe is laid using lots more mortar than is used with baked bricks, frequently approaching 1/4 of the width of the original block.

R value of a phone book laying on it's side should be impressive, just watch out for cracks or anything that runs all the way from inside to outside with a lower R value, it can act as a cold tunnel.

Or a bit more intensive; build standard frame construction, shred the books and soak in Boric acid, then blow it wet into the wall and let it dry. They have used this technique and filled the entire void with the wet paper, screed it off, let it dry and sheetrock as normal.

Good thought on your part, if you can't build it there come out west, building code is a bit more flexible.

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06/06/2008 1:34 AM

A good reply to a timely question, for sure.

Really, who needs (much less wants) a fat, heavy phone book lying around when you've got the Internet? And who needs (or wants) a copper tether when you've got wireless? For my part, I haven't had a landline in nearly a decade.

Ma Bell may soon find herself in need of part-time work. What better than to leverage what you already know and print DIY masonry?

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06/07/2008 1:31 PM

I've drilled holes in wood and steel, and used punches on steel, so thought it right

possible to put a rebar or bamboo through the phonebooks.

Far as I know my phonebook is not bug ridden because it is dry.

Let us then say that to build a cheap, really cheap, home, from phonebooks,

we use them as they are with horizontal and vertical connection accomplished with

Stapping Tape as the major expense.

The recycling of Phone Books ought to be modeled as is done

with Lead Acid Car Batteries in the US.

Scotch 3M would be a good company to build a phonebook tape wrapped brick home.

-as a demonstration of the strength of strapping tape.

I like the papercrete stuff, and the haybails, but was specifically looking for

a good use as a brick for phonebook buildings.

I do not expect these to be tall buildings and am thinking of an extreme poverty

situation. Therefore as a minimum I suggest that as a made known plan for a home

at the dump in Brazil, the phonebooks be laid on a raised and compacted foundation

of tin cans and glass, tied together with whatever dry string available, and otherwise

connected horizontally, and vertically.

Say we tie and stack phonebooks on a tamped foundation of broken bottles and old tincans, or aluminium cans, of 750 square feet to 1700 square feet according to a

water management elevation specific to the site, it would seem possible to keep

the foundation dry enough without any chemicals such as arsenic and copper used to

typically infused into foundation touching wood.

The reported advantage to a phonebook home is apparently it will protect the

family from bullets.

This is attractive in many places, especially poor places where there is a

great deal of strife.

Apparently bamboo is equavalent to rebar, if it is split, in the horizontal use,

typically applied to rebar for foundation concrete, and it may well be that split

bamboo would work in the vertical at some acceptable level if only achieved by

more of it than would be needed if rebar was the material.

The roof of the sort of building I have imagined is a significant design problem.

The Tent has proven itself to be the minimum and emergency shelter.

Very little of what shows up at the landfill is suitable to making a quick roof of any

quick semi permanent application, with standardization in mind.

Hence it comes that the construction tarp be one of two expenses mandated for

this project. One is strapping tape, and the other is construction tarps.

The phone books are trash. The bamboo is around.

The urbanization of the world is a fact.

my summation is that papercrete is great, but since it requires shredding and mixing

so as to become something else, is not perfect for my concept.

It would seem that I am wondering about the possible urban equvalent to the

construction of a log cabin.

The time factor is in my mind to cause accomplishment of a working structure

within 1 to 3 weeks by one to 5 persons.

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06/07/2008 5:10 PM

That's my kind of thinking. GA. I have built and inhabited 3 houses from things somebody else didn't want. In some cases I was paid to haul the material away.

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06/07/2008 8:49 PM

I like your ideas in this post. Any thoughts on how we might be able to utilize the blue plastic shopping bags [currently tossed all over the landscape in poor countries] as a building material?

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06/08/2008 4:05 PM

Of course putting plastic bags around the phonebooks at the foundation would help as far as moisture degradation of the phonebooks.

Plastic does degrade and there is more and more evidence that its chemical breakdown effects are of great danger hormonally.

For the phonebook brick bamboo and or rebar building plastic bags wrapped around the foundation bricks would be of benefit, though not much considering the modern typical plastic page currently ubiquitious.

UV will tear the hell out of plastic.

My contruction tarp roof for the phonebook brick home, loses insulating R values because the tarp roof lets all escape upwards unless there is a double layer tight tied.

The standard Tarp sizes determine the size and layout of the phonebook brick home.

I think it is realistic to accept that a cheap and quick home from found materials must have a tent sort of roof.

Bullet resistance in the order of the walls is good.

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06/08/2008 1:18 AM

So need to rig up a cheap punch for the rebar/bamboo.

Any suggestions? A drill or hole saw, ain't gonna cut it.

Maybe melt the plastic bags & use em as the binder/mortar!

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06/06/2008 4:08 AM

Someon is Scotlan built a house from straw bales, so paper bricks is a good idea. I had access to several thousand IBMPS2 computers from the early 90's . They were made from thick metal and very sturdy. it occurred to me that they could be filled with polystyrene and used as bricks.

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06/06/2008 10:23 AM

Papercrete shouldn't be confused with paper mache'. The concrete addition to the mix binds with the fibers to make a very strong while lightweight product. following cut from : www.livinginpaper.com/tests.htm " The compressive strength of papercrete has been measured a number of times and is variously reported to be in the 140-160 lb./sq. inch range -- but compressive strength is probably not the most accurate way to judge papercrete. Compressive strength is a measure of load at the instant of failure. This works for concrete because when concrete's load is exceeded, it literally explodes. When that point is reached, the compressive strength is known. But papercrete never fails catastrophically, it just compresses like squeezing rubber. So a more accurate measure of papercrete's strength is its stiffness - in other words, how much does it compress under what load? We have found that this value is less than the compressive strength of concrete, but many times greater than would be needed to support any kind of roof combined with just about any roof load. So with papercrete, you don't have the sudden catastrophic fragmentation, which is characteristic of concrete or earth, just a slower squish. When the load is removed, papercrete actually rebounds a bit in an attempt to return to its prior shape. What does this all really mean? It means that papercrete has no problem with strength. A structure several stories high can be built with it. The next issue is creep. What will happen to a papercrete wall under constant load over time? Will it slowly compress or will it keep its shape? " Another boon of pc is the 2.1- 3.1 R value/ 1" of block thickness. I will begin construction on a workshed made completely with pc this summer. I do like to see for myself. :)

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06/06/2008 10:29 AM

I don't know how well they would work as bricks, however you could probably chop them up into appropriate size and use them for insulation.

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06/06/2008 11:18 AM

hello everyone,

i would make papercrete. but it does have its flaws. molds when it gets wet. but it is cheap.

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06/06/2008 3:25 PM

I don't think it's practical, but in a dry climate with proper encapsulation, they could work. I'd imagine they would provide decent insulation too. Also appropriate bracing would be necessary since I don't think they would provide good strength against torsion or shearing.

...but this would be more fun.

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06/06/2008 3:34 PM

I agree as far as climate goes. I live on the Texas gulf coast (read hurricanes), so I of course prefer brick on all exterior walls. I know that brick can withstand a 2x4 travelling at a high rate of speed, paper phone books though.... Moisture would also be a problem (read hurricane/tropical storm), high winds, tons of rain, potential flooding. If this were located somewhere in the desert, like those earthship homes, then I can see it as maybe being viable as an insulated wall. The earthship homes use old tires crammed with dirt as insulated walls.

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06/06/2008 5:15 PM

I would actually use a slightly different tact than the others. I would compress them under tremendous pressure in a large press and then simply glue them together. Basically, they would act like a bunch of very short boards. I would remove the covers first, as they typically are coated and will not bond as well. They would be waterproof after you covered them with a sealant.

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06/06/2008 6:20 PM

Look up 'straw bale' houses.

Similar in nature.

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06/06/2008 10:57 PM

Some good concerns were pointed out about using papercrete. This isn't a cutting edge development. PC homes have been standing since 1974 to the best of my research. Consider it as another kind of fibrous cement. Fire, Mold , Water absorbtion and ballistic damage, 2x4 flying through the air, even have been studied and formulas developed to resist or eliminate these issues. For instance, ballistic damage was tested by firiing these rounds more than 50x 357 mag , 30-06, .308, 9mm and 44 mag at point blank and there was no through penetration. All rounds were "absorbed". Same test on a concrete block and the block fails. I expect that a 50 cal sniper round would penetrate with no problem, but i'm not in iraq. I have found a pc material way overpriced on the internet and the company is making a fortune for dirt cheap recycled materials. Proves that if people have to pay through the nose for something that is obviously good then they will. However tell the same people that they can make this themselves for pennies on the dollar and they will scoff and rip the technique/proposal to shreds.

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06/07/2008 12:27 AM

I would soak them in some kind of varnish or shellac, then subject them to pressure, possibly while still soaking.

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06/07/2008 1:40 AM

then you would loose the mold resistance by the natural air dryining . breathability of pc like i said alot of research has been done. this is why i choose it as my building material in these petrolium rich times

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