Chinese stainless steel alert

no matter how do you improvement. the error of measure is limited in 3 sigma scope.

QC, TQC or modern management is still a hot topic today. we can talk at another new thread. I like to go over again.

But there is too much rough and tumble theads to following.

I see you again at the place. you sound like you are specialist to teach chinese this or do that. recall your thread at the cr4 forum. you seem to be only an electric worker and have no enough good skill to teach others . you can only wave that littlt mud-made sword to play. most of our chinese inspector has better skill than your such little NDT knowledge. I doubt if your idea is right?

I admit our nation has characteristic of being sensitive his reputation. but most of us will accept criticism if your opinion or idea is quite right.

your story about an american owner is purely fantastic. I cannt image a man who owned his enterprise like to see his enterprise fall down without any action. none but naive child will believe it.

As I know most of staff in JV enterprise or pure foreign capital firm are talents, they almost has good educated and can deal with most of affairs individual. So I shall tell you, that you have to check if your speaking is wrong.

Which country's products will be selected is buyer's right. none like to produce worst prodcts, this depends on their skill and responsibity and financal.

I know most of chinese enterprise is belong to family workshop and products is not too stable. especialy after openning, most of countrymen are only thought of making money and pay no attention to quality. but the sitation is getting change. more and more good enterprise occur and products are getting into better quality.

I truly apologize for the remarks. I have the greatest respect for the Chinese culture, the oldest on this earth and very sophisticated. Westerners and the rest of the world have a lot to learn from the Chinese and also the Japanese cultures.

You have to realize that our medial decides to spoon-feed the American culture on what 'they' think we need to know or want to know. We hear constant stories about the tainted milk from China and the forthwith executions of some of the responsible parties. Also, we hear problems about the cadmium coated toys,etc. and the drywall problems. But, as usual with the media and all societies in general, we never hear about whats is correct and proves to be a good product that meets the needs intended.

In regard to some in-house testing here, we had a failure of a stainless steel hinge on a detention security grade door. The other parts held up as previously tested, but the investment cast s.s. hinge sheared off in the ASTM testing, and it shouldn't have. We traced the provenance as much as we could and all of the door hinge suppliers get the s.s. hinges from China. As I researched as far as I could, the information trail stops at the border and no one was willing or could provide documentation on how the s.s. hinge was made, its composition, where in China (if it was made there), etc., etc., etc. So you can see, if a person or company invests the time to check the provenance of a product, material, assembly, etc., it it almost an impossible task. And, this is where it leads to erroneous commentary. I'll admit it made me feel like that towards the Chinese products, after all I've heard. But, true I (and others) do not know the 'other' side of the story.

Q/A is the responsibility of the producer. And I understand that a lot of the businesses in China are family-oriented, over a vast country. I'm sure that area will come up to speed eventually. I know the Chinese and Chinese-Americans here are hard workers, highly motivated and intelligent. I sincerely hope that our two cultures can really discover each other, work together to make the world a much better place than it is now and get rid of the naysayers, the people in power who only seek more power, money, corruption and the expense of good people.

I saw a fascinating program years ago on the discovery of some kind of antique 'blueprints', if you will, in China, that provided instructions on how to construct this fantastic astronomical clock that was accurate to the second! They did construct a full-scale model of it, and it worked. It had an incredible amount of moving parts, tracked the sun, planets and stars precisely. All of this, only about 4000 years ago in China. That says a lot.

I sincerely apologize again for my remarks to you and other fellow engineers on CR4. Thank you for you reply, most honorable sir,

Scott

Very good reply,

I have bought these so called inferior tools Made In China. As well As well Known Domestic Such as Milwaukee Hand Tools.

Case in Point

I look at the investment at first. I had bought a Milwaukee D-Handles Drill Motor Paid $400.00 Dollars for it. A not so youthfull Fabricator who had 15 years experience who was shown how to use it. burnt it up in 4 hours by miss use. This happens occassionally I was pissed and looked for a solution.

I started buying the cheaper Made in China Hand tools, Quality was poorer, But the price made it that I can handle it like a consumable. I have no Compliants.

And I have seen the quality from China has been improving even since. Milwaukee, Dewalt beware....

phoenix911

You speak well here.

some one here may dislike your words. but I think you are quite right!

in fact many motors use for machine tool are imported from china and then assemble to set

I seem to misunderstand you at your #58 thread. sorry.

you mst be an idiot. chinese hasnt stretched their hand to ask other for help with food. 1.3billion population! who can afford such huge pressure? if we dont have enough food for ourself. who will supply so much food for us?

look at #26, according to his logic, you should show us your identification in order that have speaking right.

[quote]I'm told that software packages costing hundred and on occasion thousands of dollars in North america can be had for $5 on the street in china.[/quote]

when their salary isnt even sufficient to buy a program, they came out with cheaper alternatives. (of course situation is improving, but a whole lot of them are still very poor)

it stemmed from survival instincts.

as for their products, they ranged from really good ones at a good deal even, at times, to terrible ones...the buyer has to have an eye for quality in the first place.

i knew and worked with many chinese and some were pretty good friends of mine.

culture is also another thing, they have a different way of working.

"when their salary isnt even sufficient to buy a program, they came out with cheaper alternatives. (of course situation is improving, but a whole lot of them are still very poor)"

So it's OK to steal if you're poor?

This is the mentality that prevails in China.

They don't need any encouragement from anyone else to justify their thieving, thank you.

>there are worst obsense stuff going on then piracy.<

Not if you are the owner of the IP being stolen.

So it's OK to steal as long as you are poorer than the person you are stealing from?

The world doesn't have much of a future if we all viewed it from your philosophical point of view.

So Chinese pirates are poor?

The Chinese pirates that you are defending are wealthy gangsters making money from other people's property and "poor" is not a condition that is relevant to this discussion.

Why are you hammering on China about intellectual property?

There are people in Europe that are ripping movies and uploading them all the time. All the movies that are new releases in theaters today are available online and the uploaded movies are primarily done from Sweden.

I was in South Korea once and there were all kinds of pirated products on sale in the streets. All they did was make a replica and put the known brand label on them.

I used to be stationed in Bahrain and they had music stores everywhere with black market tapes for sale. All of them copies of an original and being sold.

So why are you pointing the finger at China? You argue like China is the only ones that have done it.

All countries have their crime element. Including yours.

Also, the Chinese who are stealing American IP are certainly not poor and they are lauded as heroes in China every time they rip off an American product or company.

They have a price that products are sold here in the United States and another price for the same product being sold in other countries. They tailor the prices to suit the economy of the country the product is being sold in.

You'll sometimes see software at computer conventions with labeling that states that the product is to be sold outside the country.

They do the same thing in the United States. You go from one town and see a car price and go to a bigger, wealthier town and see the same model car being sold at $10,000 more just because the per capita income is higher.

I'm not referring to black market items being sold on the streets. I'm talking about legitimately licensed vendor sold software, like Microsoft Office.

There appears to be some problems with copyright infringement with some products coming out of china. A car company in China is marketing a SUV that is so close to the BMW X5 that BMW has been able to have it banned from sale in Germany. Read it at http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/06/27/ap5162810.html There is a Chinese car sold as a Cherry, That is so well copied that the doors and hood are interchang-able with a Chevy.

So goes the saying...Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

And that's funny?

I have decided not to attend the Peking Olympics, in protest against the shoddy goods

you think who you are?

I suspect if you could afford the charge to visit the game.

I dont know if you could buy a ticket to see the game.

I suspect if yoiu know what is sport? can you run as fast as a child?

"Not entirely sure why you got so upset;" Anyone who is NOT upset about this is part of the problem!

One of the most fundamental bases of the capitalist society (which I believe includes most of the world at this point) is that the person or company that first has a novel idea, and uses that idea to produce a novel product, should be rewarded for having that idea and producing that product. This means that for some time (eg. the duration of the patent), anyone else who uses that idea (called Intellectual Property) needs to pay the originator a fee for the use of that idea. Anyone who makes use of that idea without paying the fee is stealing that fee from the originator.

Thank you sir, and please add Trade Marks and Copyrights to Patents as being Intellectual Property, all of which the Chinese steal without compunction, as has been clearly and brazenly admitted on this forum.

I agree, but I like to add rewarded and protected, (without having to go bankrupt)

C'mon guys! The material in question is STAINLESS steel. They didn't intend for it to be acid-resistant, they just represented that it wouldn't STAIN. They are like the carnival hucksters and we pay as responsible buyers who don't question such uses of semantics....yet.

AMEN! There really is no such thing as stainless steel! It is a marketing term, not a quality measure or a technical term!

There are many various degrees of "corrosion-resistant" steel, that are marketed under various designationa as "stainless steel".

Quality control is a two way street, a dance between a supplier AND a purchaser. Both need to do their part to ensure "quality" is achieved. Ignorant suppliers and purchasers who do not communicate well usually result in poor quality. Wise suppliers and purchasers who communicate well will usually result in good quality.

If you buy cheap without understanding the supplier, you usually will get what you pay for.

Its terrible. you describe a terrible picture. This makes it sound that evey chinese is preparing fight, to kill others include theirself brothers and sistors. because quarrels are exsiting among theirselfs in ordinary routine. sometimes, these quarrel are very lost faces. they seem to be modern Hitler and Japan war criminal in warII.

every chinese is thief, they have lived by steal for thousands of years. because they like steal, so many time agressed nomad to them in history. oh, its not agressive, just drop in and bring civilization to this ancient nation.

This made me recall a little history of anti-japan from Ming dynasty. A famous general who name is Qi jiguang resisted japan pirates to hijack offshore chinese properties. Now according to this persons idea, he must be a supid, he should welcome those pirates come to china, to give chinese a leassion, what is civilization , what is robber.

Im afraid that you hvnt head. dare you show us where are you from?

even a countryman has more knowledge than you.

if everyone boycotted chinese products, things would change. the government there, would start cutting off heads as an example to others that that way is unacceptable. the chinese were able ..

wow, you seem to understand modern china more than I do! corruption, what a familiar word! All of chinese hite those corruption officals.

so many stupid pigs like you said was exposed on tv programme. they lived by their mouse, cheat, bribe ytheir leaders, lie to people. they got positon where they could eat steam bread made of wheat flour, but lots of people could only drink hominy.once situation changed, they lost their positon and hve to do labour for living( because they have nothing skill, only but spoke lie by mouse). so escaped quickly to the west world, which they once sit on the stage and spoke loudly to people that" there was an eaten man's world, filled with poor. they are oud enemy..." when they are in the positon.) They run to the west more faster as rabit with dirty money of embezzled.

why dont you invest china with your red package tech or red evelopement? to earn more money? hehe, you may know that not eveyone in china is being corruption .

So many loiter men here are interested in chinese topic. i waste my whole day long to accompany.

Today we have a very cool day with rainning all day long. comfortable.

I cut a watermelon to share with you all! look at this melon, very delicious!

still have.

Too many ideas ocur here to reply in time.

From chinese stainless steel products to lost of work. I seem to attend a politcs class. I do strike as odd. it seems some guys blame chinese products on chinese taking their food bowl. hehe, chinese terms.

this seems thier real goal. but I m out of work now, who shall I lodge complain to?

put it on the table the issues. lets discuss out.

I think its not chinese guilt. but your bosses in you country. hehe, here I leave a good excuse for those bosses to attack me.

Its because of those bosses who invest their financial to our asia rather than in your countries in order to get more benefits. so that your labours or less skill technician s lost work. whereas our asian get more job chances.

On other hand, have a good think with your brain, you can see thats what job? hard, heavy and none will to do in the west. they take advantage of our lower wages to get more profit. right?

in our chinse solar term " xiao shu" means the weather is getting hot and hot.

before it gets hot, I like to spend time for two more sentenses.

continue the front, if all of you dont do the job, how the bosses live? thats why they come to asia.

In fact, the true good, comfortable job is still remain in the west.

Look at your offices, air condition, free charge lunch, long vacation for travel around the world by aeroplan, deluxe yacht , drink some beverage I cnnt call its name. live in 9 stars hotels which I cannt image what they are look like.

thats why many developping country people run into but havnt heard the west escape to some places in africa.

you work a hour equal to my a month work salary. although most of you can only turn on a radio but I hve to repaie an amplifier. is it fair play?

Now I understand wht is the reason you complain chinese products. chinese proberb said.

the man who protend to drink smashed is not care about wine.

At last I hope to say is , if you hve problem to solve. lets discuss with heart, dont attach each other.

bye bye le, ( hehe chinenglish) I have to find a job for my able to eat watermelon in this summer.

oh, remember me, if you hve a good job, although I hve less skill, but no problem for me to install a lamp in the house or in office.

of cuase I shall invite you for chinese banquet for your effort.

It calms down at last. before make a sum. pour a little perfume to clear air in the column.

I hvnt learn more civilization here , only but some rough words. this bottle of perfume looks like not bed.

sino-america trade every year is up to millions billion. there is one set made in china in near three computers in the world.

so if you are qualified shopping man, you should know how to buy a good equipment. needless to say mba.

every country has good commodities and not good ones. so you should study. too much things need study.

Who'da thunk that after almost 5 years I would get something in my 'in' about a topic that I had completely forgotten about.

Hope y'all are doing good. Miss the antics of the pesky Squirrel (Kris)...

Bless Up!

Ferris