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Lock in a "Sprung" Box Beam?

07/14/2008 8:06 PM

Hello. Thought maybe someone could answer this for me. The car is a 1987 subaru. It may have been jumped off a cliff and driven home, after pulling a stuck tractor trailer out of a ditch and then went on to home depot to carry the 1400 pounds of concrete home after breaking ken blocks record jump of 140 feet, to cross the continent in the 80s mph for 4200 miles with an open exhaust pipe blowing on the rear end.... springing a box beam permanently. Jacking car up brings it to normal. it is still quite strong, doing its job, with bad camber, non adjustable. My question is for a welder....

can I add some high grade springy 3/16 (.25?) steel rod, one piece, (red line in photo) to lock in the box squared forever? it is all quite solid etc.

Thought I would seek free advice before I did it.

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07/15/2008 1:34 AM

Hello bgd73

Your best repair method would be to obtain another complete box beam from a scrap yard, use the services of a very good welder, and remove the damaged box beam, replacing it with the one you obtained ex the scrap yard.

After the welding is completed, ensure the beam and adjacent welded chassis rail is properly primed, under-coated and painted.

After that re-assemble your car, and don't forget to paint on some undercoat over the repaired parts.

Box beams, like all box structures may collapse without any warning, if overstressed, as many large box-girder bridges have suddenly collapsed within a few seconds, over the years.

For this reason, I always avoid driving over box-girder bridges, if there is an alternate route.

You don't give your location, but you give measurements in imperial measure and refer to 'crossing the Continent', so in absence of other evidence, your location is in the US.

If that location is correct, be aware that if repairs to your car are poorly done, you face bankruptcy and more, should a "cheap" repair method be used, and there is an accident.

You would also nullify any personal insurance policy you have.

It is in your own interest to ensure repairs are correctly done, then you can "sleep easy".

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07/15/2008 2:59 AM

That steel rod will do damn all...*
The strength is in the fact that it's a box section.

Sparky's idea is esimplest...

*Bare in mind this is the opinion of a Cat that isn't a mech eng.

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07/15/2008 11:38 PM

Agreed to the above

Suby rearend, similar to VW.

Rip out the whole torsion housing, check the pivot boxes are still square, and inline, go to junk yard (above) obtain another torsion housing (if the current is out of whack), including the torsion arms and spring plates.

I wouldn't trust most of the rear end, with that damage your talking about, also check the CV joints and the stub axle for trueness, also check the drive shaft that runs between the 2 CV's, this could also be bent.

If you plan on doing more "Off Road" usage of the Suby, get a set of aftermarket pivot boxes, and trailing arms, the picture below may help you with what I'm talking about ;o)

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07/16/2008 4:16 AM

Having used a Subaru off road once or twice the cost of repairs is about the same as buying a Toyota Landcruiser. If you want to drive off road first step is to take the Suby to the nearest wreckers then go buy a Landcruiser or a Nissan Patrol in the long run this is much cheaper than fixing your box section.

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07/16/2008 9:17 AM

I would like to give a "Good Answer", but I am only allow to remove "Off-Topic" points.

A 1987 Subaru with this type of damage is probably beyond useful life and should be recycled. Remove any parts you like and take it to the wrecker!

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07/16/2008 8:38 PM

Hello Snaketails

from me

The inclusion of the photo was excellent, along with your explanation.

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07/17/2008 1:42 AM

Well, it also helps, that the pictured suspension is mine ;o)

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Slow build process, but now up to powder coating the parts ;o)

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07/16/2008 8:57 AM

You cannot weld different types of steel to each other.....with any degree of safety either......

The only proper way to progress is to replace all the damaged parts or buy a different car!! You are treading a hire wire with no dafety netz with anything else.....do not even think about it!!

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07/16/2008 9:29 AM

Had the same problem twice, with a Subaru Brat about the same age. I finally had to junk it as repairs done by a pro caused much rust. why invest this much money in a 22 year old car?

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07/16/2008 11:33 AM

Excellent point(s)....

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07/16/2008 10:01 PM

Any type of welding on your "high grade springy 3/16 (.25?) ("umm .1875) steel rod" will anneal it and cause it to lose its temper in the heat affected zone, and be nearly as worthless as pencil rod. This does not take into account the stresses that the heat would cause in the vehicles already over stressed box beam. Then there is the heat treatments. I believe, as nearly everyone else stated, your best bet is to buy a less abused part from a junk dealer, or give it to the junk dealer and let someone find a less abused part of their own. Anything else is not only asking for trouble, but demanding it.

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