New Hobby Groups: Target Shooting & Hunting

I am not able to see the engineering educational aspect of hunting, so is this discussion even necessary?

If we want to discuss the flight analysis of Arrows and bullets and missiles and what have you, that is a different matter, but what engineering training are we going to be imparting to each other by discussing hunting? Within which discipline of engineering would this fall?

Perhaps I am all mistaken, however, I think this is a very bad idea.

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. This forum is not only about engineering issues but what engineer's like to do with their free time. Besides, there are many technical components to shooting and hunting.

I don't hunt anymore, but I still like to punch some holes at the rifle range once in a while. Anyway, I like the idea.

Yeah, right, i agree, it's not a bad idea, this hobby is good for engineer, to move some burden engineering job with hook and bait for fishing or with bullets and targets for hunting or with other hobbies, it's a good idea, even i never shoot anything, this hobby is useful for engineer's ' brain health ', very close with engineering, because if engineers became 'short circuit at their brain junction' that caused by so many 'engineering error' problem, what will happen with the engineering?

Thanks for any kind of hobbies, they can help to 'loose' some engineer's stress.

I'm sorry with my words, just a little joke, i hope nobody have hurt feelings with my words, but i do agree to add this hobby at CR4 hobbies user group.

I firmly believe that this forum should not be everything to every engineer. there is the General Discussion section in which a shooting and hunting discussions can be held without creating a separate division for it; besides there are very many hunting forums that an interested engineer can join without being in an engineers only hunting forum.

A quick search of Googles gives the following and more ...

1. World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Hunters forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10016 - 109k - Cached -
2. A Hunters Life Forum - For those who love the GREAT OUTDOORS ...
3. WMA Hunters Forum
4. Deer Hunting Forums
5. www.deerhuntersclub.com/forums/
6. wowhunters.coldfront.net/forums/
7. Duck Hunting and Duck Hunting Tips and Goose Hunting at The Duck ... www.duckhunter.net/
8. HuntingTalk Forums - Hunting Talk Forum A hunting discussion forum covering a wide variety of hunting related topics.
   www.huntingtalk.com/ - 66k - Cached - Similar pages
9. Metroid Prime: Hunters forum - Neoseeker Forums sticky: Metroid Prime: Hunters Forum Rules Read the rules please! Dark Dom, 1, 317, last post Jun 29, 08 10:38pm Dark Dom. new since last visit ...
   www.neoseeker.com/forums/22333/ - 72k - Cached - Similar pages

OK, honest question.

Note that I am not "baiting" you, nor do I intend to cast aspersions on your character, nor make ad hominem attacks on your manhood, nor any of the other methods NON-thinkers like to use when they feel threatened. (I don't feel threatened by this issue. As you've noted, there ARE many other places I could look for a hunter's/shooter's forum.)

All of that disclaimer having been offered, and hopefully, accepted, what exactly is it that makes you feel so strongly we shouldn't have a hunter's/shooter's ( even one of each) hobby area ON CR4?

To offer a starting point from my side of this discussion, there are several engineers whose opinions and writing I've come to respect greatly (Bricktop is one, Sparkstation another, there are others) even though I sometimes disagree with them on personal issues (I am a Biblical Creationist, they do not appear to be, but lest we digress, that has been thoroughly discussed elsewhere), and I would very much like to join them in conversations about hunting, or target shooting, or ballistics, or the engineering aspects of the subject (has anyone besides me considered the affect of the harmonics generated by both the lateral and straight-line accelerations a bullet undergoes in the rifling of the barrel, on the instantaneous mis-alignment of the barrel, or, in automatic weapons, what effect that "standing wave harmonic" has on subsequent rounds travelling the same path? I have a couple of physics students working on instrumenting rifle barrels for the purpose of testing/analyzing those effects, with an eye to possibly applying an out-of-phase damping effect solely by controlling the head-spacing, recoil buffer speed, gas-velocity, and other factors, in order to improve the accuracy of automatic weapons. Does THAT sound like an engineering effort to you?)

So, I would be interested in your opinion, and in understanding why you seem strongly opposed. Or perhaps I misread your intent? Please, I would like to understand.

Micah

On top of the posting of MarkTheHandyMan is now posted:

(The request for new Hunting and Target Shooting hobbies below is all set: Go to the Hobbies group to sign up. - Admin)

Now it is entirely possible that the post by Admin was always there and I did not notice it to begin with.

In any event, the discourse therefore is effectively mute, and any viewpoint expressed hereafter is academic.

Being an Engineer does not mean we only talk about engineering! I for one have made many friends here on CR4. I think it's important to have diversification within a forum to be able to encompass the Engineer as a whole person and not just a specific part of that person, otherwise it's like going to the pub and only being allowed to talk about beer! Soon goes stale! Does any of this make sense!

EditorGBAnalysts, I believe you might be misinterpreting the meaning of Hobby groups on CR4. A Hobby group does not necessarily mean that a new forum is being created for that hobby, just that CR4 members can display their interest within their profiles. A group avatar is added to the member's ID to the left of their posts.

You will notice a boldface CQ beneath my avatar. That indicates I am a member of the Ham Radio Hobby group. As far as I know, CR4 does not have a forum dedicated to ham radio. If someone is interested in my ham radio activities, they can look at my profile by clicking on my username.

By joining a Hobby group, you let others know of your interests, and if they want to contact you to discuss the hobby in more detail, they can use the CR4 private messaging service.

If you've ever wondered what those small images below some members' usernames or avatars were, those are group avatars. Put your cursor over one for a few seconds and the name of the group appears.

Thank you; that was quite informative and illuminating.

However, now I have to ask you: Who is Bucky Dornster?

Hello MarkTheHandyman,

Let us square or plumb this up

Round is a shape but is it the shape of roundness or could the orientation or shape correct roundness, or shapeliness be a factor? Is shapeliness a factor in the correction of roundness orientation or is a pseudovector a factor of orientation without shape?

Hi, bwire!

Is that sano going up the stairs or Sano the guy?

Never thought of the return of air to an empty cartridge as the source of the bang because more impact on the air gets made when the explosive discharge exits the shell under the pressure of forcing the bullet out of the cartridge.

"Sleazy" just means

The only discouraging part of sleazy is being recognized as possessing that dubious quality. Usually exhibited by someone who continually acts in a dishonest fashion.

Too bad activities employing guns are so unpopular nowadays due to the insane actions of a few sadly misled individuals, and the no less insane conclusions of a few others that it is the existence of the object they used to carry out their mayhem that is at fault for those actions. [It is, however, my personal belief that either all knives and sharp spoons should be outlawed/licenced, since stabbings outnumber shootings in my neck of the woods; or that more guns should freely be made available to the general public (eliminate the bureaucratic nonsense that makes legal gun ownership available only to responsible people) so that those so inclined do not have to resort to knives. This will allow us to continue to butter our toast in an un-licenced fashion while all those nasty legitimate gun owners shoot targets and game. Fortunately, my guns are not of the criminal type that we hear about from the antis. I have been keeping a close watch on my gun cabinet for years to make sure that none of them tries to escape to perform some dastardly act; and so far as I know (and I would know because the locks on the outside of the cabinet cannot be opened from within), they have all behaved themselves over that time. Naturally, I'm hoping that will continue, and as I butter my toast I knock wood, for luck.]

Mark

The only discouraging part of sleazy is being recognized as possessing that dubious quality. Usually exhibited by someone who continually acts in a dishonest fashion.

Well I never...indulge in such activities or associate with those whom do.

the no less insane conclusions of a few others that it is the existence of the object they used to carry out their mayhem that is at fault for those actions.

A knee jerk reaction to being criticized or an insinuation they 'law makers' were asleep at the switch And of course they are for the most part due we generally expect them to lead which not in their job description, they are to represent us...the most vocal are often those without enough to do, we aren't represented substantively by and large...what a mess!

Which incidentally brings us full circle! Back to the target shooting and hunting!

Yes hunting and target shooting qualify as recreational pursuits.

Recreational pursuits in general could benefit if the minds of CR4 subscribers were oriented towards such a pursuit, in my dubious opine

So to lead us back to the fold so to speak, Mark, I take it you like shooting! What at, what distance, and why do you enjoy it? We need to start somewhere! I'm in the process of buying a pop pop Gamo Maxima to do a bit of target shooting! I shot many years ago and enjoyed the whole process of getting ready to shoot to the shooting itself! When you gently squeeze the trigger and you know it's going to be a good shot! (sometimes!) Or when you have your first few shots in the bull and then the next.....and the next.....! The closer to the 100 score can leave your nerves in tatters!

Hi, Mr. Truman Brain!

Getting ready for hunting season, I want to be able to hit the (approximately 4 cm.) bull 5 times in a row in as quick a succession as I can at 100 yards with both my (modified) 30-30 Schmidt Rubin (deer rifle) and my 301 Lee Enfield jungle carbine (moose rifle), using a scope sight for each.

I just bought a red dot and am trying to figure out if I can add it to the existing sights, since both are mounted a short distance above the barrel so that I can also use the bare gun sights as an aiming option.

At the indoor range, I want to find some kind of foolproof way to score bulls-eyes with any calibre of sidearm. So far my best shots are made by lining the tip of the front sight up with the bull, but there is not enough instinct there yet. Needs lots of practice.

There is a range near Toronto where they have placed 5 bowling pins on 5 stools. The object is to knock them all off the stools as quickly as possible, and the only way to do that with the .22 ammunition being used in the ranges (not exclusively, but inexpensively) is to hit them in the narrow part of the neck. Some dude has done it in less than 30 seconds. THAT's the kind of shooting I'd like to be able to do some day.

I have a .22 semi auto Plinker and a Russian automatic .22 rifle modified to a semi-auto. I like 'em both, and would like to get some multi-shot magazines for the Russian if I can find any.

Don't own any handguns yet. Too expensive for my meager budget.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Hand Gun:

I'm no expert but have participated in pistol range qualification often. Developing quick and accurate handgun shooting begins with recognizing your dominant eye. When looking at your thumb at arm's length with both eyes open you see two images, one is the true image of the dominant eye, and the other is false. Once you know which image is correct you can shoot faster and more accurately with both eyes open.

Grip:

You may see some hand gunners extending their index finger and pulling the trigger with the middle finger but only for developing a finger point style, in actual firing I don't want a finger near the business end of the cylinder or slide. Grip depends on the size of your hands, the size of the pistol grip, stance and personal preference.

Stance:

Also you need develop your stance a bit different than using a rifle. Basically you need good balance and ease in a stance. You should be able to maintain balance with someone else giving a little shove too. Depending upon the type shooting you may need to aggressively advance while firing accurately.

That's the gist of it

I haven't shot anything or even had a gun for years. I used to target shoot, either plinking or shooting at paper targets in an indoor range, primarily for fun. I do have a shooting story I'd like to pass on FWIW.

One year at National Guard summer camp, my entire batallion had to go through qualification fire on the M-60 machine gun. This involved setting the gun up on its tripod, using the traversing mechanism to stablize the weapon, and loading in one round at a time before firing. At the range, only a few got scores good enough to qualify, and everyone complained the targets were hard to see.
When we got back to the barracks, we found out the artillery unit that was running the range had goofed on the targets. The targets were designed for a 500 inch range, but we were shooting on a 1000 inch range! They decided that to make up for this, they would double everyone's score.
I learned 2 things from this:

1. I was a better shot than I thought I was. I wasn't very athletic as a kid, and I have a visual problem (amblyopia), and so I thought my score was a result of my shortcomings.

2. NEVER let an artillery unit run a rifle or machine gun range!